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tontsaany ideas what might be wrong when quantum can't enable dhcp: http://paste2.org/zCV4zv9K08:15
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skoenmanhey anybody here???11:29
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fifieldthi skoenman11:32
skoenmanhey man could you help me ...what do the guys use openstack for??? running vms??11:33
fifieldtOpenStack has several different 'products' within it - running VMs, sure - there's also object and block storage, and software defined networking11:34
fifieldtyou use OpenStack to build clouds11:34
fifieldtwhat are you interested in?11:34
skoenmanclouds???11:34
skoenmanis that a collection of vms??11:35
fifieldtI'd recommend reading page 6 and 7 of this: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-145/SP800-145.pdf11:35
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fifieldtClouds == cloud computing11:36
skoenmank on it11:36
fifieldtOpenStack is mostly at the "Infrastructure-as-a-Service" layer11:36
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skoenmank so its more for services than machines???11:37
skoenmanso like apache servers ,programs???11:38
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fifieldtok, so let's use an apache web server example11:38
fifieldtSay you have a website11:38
fifieldta commerce website, that sells something11:38
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fifieldtsay, for example, around December is when you get most of your sales11:39
fifieldtso in December you need more servers for running your website11:39
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fifieldtbut the rest of the year, you don't need so many servers11:39
fifieldtOne approach is to buy all of these servers to deal with your "peak" load -- in december, when you need lots of capacity11:40
fifieldtanother is to scale up only for december, by purchasing some capacity just for that month from someone else11:40
fifieldta technology you can use to make this reality is cloud computing, and underlying it: virtualisation11:41
fifieldtso, you're familiar with apache?11:41
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fifieldtapache is software that runs on an operating system eg windows, linux etc11:42
skoenmanhmm no not really i know it ....11:42
skoenmanyes11:42
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fifieldtcool11:42
skoenmank how would one use it in a firewall setup???11:42
fifieldtOpenStack?11:42
skoenmanwere you have a firewall os ???yes openstack11:42
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fifieldtIf your firewall application is able to be distributed across multiple virtual machines11:43
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fifieldtyou can use OpenStack to control those virtual machines11:43
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fifieldtand the network to/from them11:43
fifieldtAre you from South Africa skoenman?11:44
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skoenmanyes11:44
fifieldtJust thought I'd let you know that there's a group of people over in Cape Town who are trying to organise a community where they talk OpenStack: http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-South-Africa/11:45
skoenmanyou see im just trying to figure out if there is a use for it in my businness11:45
fifieldtyup, of course11:45
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fifieldtare you able to share what you do?11:45
skoenmanim a Wireless ISP11:45
fifieldtoh, cool11:46
fifieldtdo you run any virtualisation right now?11:46
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skoenmanyes i have some vms running on xcp running some linux vms11:46
fifieldtcool11:46
fifieldtSo I'm guessing you have a bunch of network management apps, maybe some billing, probably a few customer-facing websites  ... do you also do hosting?11:47
fifieldtand right now the VMs you are using, you're managing them via XCP directly11:48
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fifieldtessentially what you can do is use OpenStack on top of XCP (or some other hypervisor like KVM)11:48
fifieldtand get more 'features'11:48
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fifieldtmake it easy eg to clone a vm, or start a new one with similar properties11:49
fifieldtyou can also manage how storage is provisioned to them11:49
fifieldtgive the vms "extra disks " without interrupting the service11:49
fifieldtyou could setup load balancing as a service between a couple of VMs11:49
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fifieldtyou're probably also interested in how OpenStack manages the network11:50
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fifieldtdealing with different vlans for secure services etc11:50
fifieldthere's a demo of some of the features from the dashboard:11:51
fifieldthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p4eW78gHfCg11:51
fifieldtyou can also do a lot more using the commandline or the API11:51
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skoenmancool just registered ...hmm ok so openstack would be one big provisioning clloud???11:51
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skoenmanyou see i have 2 microservers and a xeon11:52
fifieldtcool11:52
skoenmani want to be able to use all of them in one pool11:52
fifieldtno problem :)11:52
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fifieldtOpenStack Compute aka "nova", has a scheduler - basically you specify what size of VM you want and it will slot it in on the available hardware11:53
fifieldtit's also really easy to add new machines in the future11:53
fifieldtIf you're interested in just trying it out without using a lot of hardware or time, there's actually this single shell script at http://devstack.org/ that you can use to setup a test (single node, all-in-one) install. Suggest putting that in a VM and taking a look11:54
skoenmanonly thing is you need to have same kind of hardware to put it in same resource pool11:54
fifieldtactually, the scheduler takes care of that11:54
fifieldtso you can have a 64 core machine and an 8 core machine in the same pool11:55
fifieldtand if you ask for a 16 core VM, it's going to get sent to the 64 core machine :)11:55
fifieldtyou could also choose to manually select which physical server you want a VM on11:56
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skoenmanoo k11:58
skoenmanwhats this system called???11:58
skoenmannova???11:58
fifieldtyeah, OpenStack Compute or "nova"11:58
skoenmanbut then ill still need to run xcp and then run a vm running nova????11:58
fifieldtyeah, there's still a hypervisor underneath ... but if you don't want to still run xcp, you could use something simpler like KVM11:59
fifieldtgenerally nova is installed on the underlying hardware12:00
fifieldtsince it "controls" the hypervisor12:00
fifieldtAre you Ubuntu/Debian or Centos?12:00
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skoenmanyes i use ubuntu for most of them12:02
fifieldtoh, cool12:02
fifieldtcanonical/ubuntu put in a bunch of effort to make it all work12:02
fifieldtso if you want to use KVM instead of xcp, it should be fairly straightforward12:03
fifieldtbut both should work :)12:03
skoenmank so i can run ubuntu kvm with openstack onto12:03
skoenmanontop12:03
fifieldtyup12:03
skoenmanok and then from there i will be able to provision my servers12:03
skoenmanperformance wise???12:04
fifieldtthat's correct12:04
fifieldtworks well12:04
fifieldtpersonally I've run about 7000 cores on ubuntu/kvm12:04
skoenmaneish12:04
skoenmanman ok on how many hardware nodes???12:04
fifieldtmmm, some were 24 core, some were 48 core12:05
fifieldtso a couple hundred?12:05
skoenmanok so you have 6 chip xeon servers???12:05
skoenmandidnt even know you could get that12:06
fifieldtnaw, amds12:06
skoenmanstill have alot to learn12:06
fifieldtno dramas12:06
ekarlsofifieldt: you can even get 8 chip intel servers...12:07
ekarlsolike fyi :)12:07
fifieldtSo, I've sent you the link to devstack if you wanted to test it out ... here's a couple more:12:07
fifieldthttp://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/basic-install/apt/content/ <-- very basic install on Ubuntu 12.0412:07
fifieldthttp://docs.openstack.org/ops/ <-- handy hints on design12:07
ekarlsoHP DL980 G7 for example12:08
ekarlsoit's a massive beast :)12:08
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skoenmanfifieldt what do you use these 7000 cores for???12:08
ekarlsoskoenman: Cern....12:08
fifieldtresearch ... in this case not CERN :)12:08
fifieldthttps://www.openstack.org/user-stories/nectar/12:09
ekarlsooh12:09
fifieldtthat case study's a bit outdated though12:09
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fifieldtwill hit 30k cores this year though, yay :)12:09
fifieldtbut that's nothing compared to many other places12:09
ekarlsofifieldt: who else ? :p12:10
skoenmanthis is just mal...really here im sitting with 2 dual cores and a quad core ...12:10
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ersiJeez, that's not a super small installation12:10
fifieldtskoenman, that sounds good to me!12:11
skoenmanyeah well compared to 7000 cores it is12:11
fifieldthere you go: http://www.slideshare.net/openstack/havana-survey-resultsfinal-19312081 ... page 17 ... of 400 people surveyed, half are less than 100 VMs12:12
fifieldtso, nothing to worry about12:13
fifieldtthe point is just that it scales and performs well :)12:13
fifieldtand you have a worldwide community here to help you :)12:13
fifieldtbtw, if you don't get good responses to your questions on IRC ... we just started up a new site for questions: http://ask.openstack.org/12:14
skoenmanthats the coolest ..12:14
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skoenmanso if i need to add storage i just pop in the hdd and expand the hdd of the vm???12:17
fifieldtit's easier to add 'extra' hard disks to the VM than it is to expand an existing HDD, but yes - you can do resizes12:18
skoenmanim just thinking for the cloud storage that im thinking of doing12:19
fifieldtthis table has a breakdown of the 3 different types of storage in OpenStack: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/storage_decision.html12:20
fifieldtwhat's your cloud storage plan?12:20
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tontsaany ideas why would Command: ['sudo', '/usr/bin/quantum-rootwrap', '/etc/quantum/rootwrap.conf', 'ip', 'link', 'set', 'tap40c52877-79', 'address', 'fa:16:3e:d2:95:3f'] cause 'RTNETLINK answers: Device or resource busy\n'12:21
tontsathis redhat's grizzly rdo trying to use tenant mode=gre12:22
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skoenmanwell i have a  system which runs a sync program which syncs the clients files offsite12:23
fifieldtah yup12:24
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fifieldtmostly you're just doing PUT files or GE Tfiles?12:25
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skoenmanthe sync program runs in ubuntu server12:26
skoenmanand syncs dirs12:26
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fifieldtcool. So you just have an array of disks that is mounted inside the server with a program running over them12:26
fifieldtand you'd like to expand the disk as required when it gets full12:27
fifieldttontsa, ouch :) a ton of stuff on google for that error ... hard to determine where it's coming from12:27
skoenmanyes thats more or less it12:27
fifieldtI think that should be doable12:27
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fifieldtwith the OpenStack Block Storage aka "cinder", you can even disconnect the storage from one VM and plug it into another12:28
fifieldtkinda like a massive USB hard disk :)12:29
skoenmanyes you see im just thinking if the one server falls over you need to have a backup in place so that you can down that unit and then fix it but without loosing data or clients to downtime12:31
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fifieldtyup12:31
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tontsafifieldt, yeah.. can't even run that command as root so seems to be something with new "openstack" kernel redhat released12:32
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fifieldtfound someone with identical error on RDO forums: http://openstack.redhat.com/forum/discussion/comment/490#Comment_49012:34
fifieldtlooks like there's a workaround there12:35
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tontsafitfieldt, ooh will try it out12:36
skoenmanok fifieldt so if i have ubuntu/kvm---openstack---ubuntuvm---sync prog12:36
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skoenmancan i sync all the data on that node with another???12:37
fifieldtyup12:37
fifieldtshould be able to, sure12:37
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fifieldtok, I'm heading to bed - night12:42
skoenmancool thanks for the help12:43
fifieldtno worries12:43
fifieldtgood luck :)12:43
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mi2comHey guys13:02
mi2comis there a good tutorial anywhere on setting up a 20 node openstack environment13:03
mi2comi.e., as a "cloud host" might deploy?13:03
mi2comspeaking of; how many physical server nodes does the typical (large; say like... linode) -- or rackspace.  have of openstack compute nodes?13:03
mi2comand why not use shared storage NAS like Oracle ZFS or NetApp over FcOE?13:03
mi2comor 10GbE13:04
mi2comon SAS 6b13:04
mi2com?13:04
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joejoeError when creating vm. /var/log/nova/nova-compute.log gives http://pastebin.com/YBhiJvxj13:06
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joejoeI'm running Grizzly on single node VM with qemu13:07
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mi2comare there any openstack hosting companies in here?13:11
mi2comor anyone using xcat to manage it?13:11
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mi2comam i wrong when i feel like openstack is possibly "bloated"13:11
mi2comor re-inventing wheels?13:11
mi2comI hope so13:11
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joejoe@mi2com, can you elaborate on "bloated"?13:48
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joejoeI'm new to Openstack, I think it is complicated because there are tons of configuration options, not sure about bloat.13:48
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sgranmi2com: sure, openstack is large, and sure, it solves some of the same problems that other software stacks solve13:53
sgranbut I don't think bloated is an accurate description13:54
sgranI don't think you'll get a huge amount of answers to questions like "how many physical server nodes ..."13:54
sgranthe point is really that you add compute hosts as you need more capacity13:54
sgranyou can start with one and keep scaling up as you need to13:55
mi2comsgran:13:55
mi2comthank you...13:55
mi2comWhat if I have 100 1U nodes I want to put up however13:55
mi2comto test the ability of openstack13:55
mi2comI am more of an HPC compute guy13:55
mi2comor cluster i mean13:55
mi2comfor large scale web mining operations and financial analytics/trading/data mining/nlp and parsing etc13:55
mi2combut i do a lot of web dev too;13:55
mi2comand just wanted to see how it would work on say 20-50 servers13:55
mi2comand thanks for your reply13:55
sgranI don't know what docs you've read so far, but the usual acrchitecture is a split along compute/api/network functionality13:56
mi2comin addition i would like to add on that i have 2 ORACLE ZFS 7420 Controllers with 4 Giant Disk Sleds that I'd like to use for storage.13:56
mi2comI have not read many; I cannot understand all the names that they use (i need to invest more time in doing so)13:56
mi2combut the naming of what i know as "compute" "api" "network"13:56
mi2comit tells me nothing13:56
mi2com......13:56
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sgranyes, I'd suggest doing that and then come back when you have specific questions13:56
mi2comall computers have compute and api and networks.13:56
mi2comwell ok13:57
mi2comi do have specific questions13:57
mi2comi have read the openstack book thing13:57
mi2comi do like the "overcommit"13:57
mi2comthing13:57
mi2comthat is primarily the reason i want to test on 20 - 50 nodes13:57
mi2comto see how many vm's i am reliably able to host on say a n1.medium instance size and test it with apachebench and other load balancing tools over say a month.13:58
mi2comsimulating real web traffic?13:58
mi2comso how do i get started.  I have them right here.  Do i download the mini ubuntu base image?13:58
mi2comand i love rabbitmq also btw; i hear it uses it.  if so; why does it use it; but then fall back into REST?13:58
mi2comit should use AMQP/Jabber or XMPP to do that instead IMO13:58
mi2comrather than REST13:59
mi2comArchitel does this I have seen (an early project)13:59
mi2comand what is the *real* difference between using openstack versus using .... QEMU or VirtualBOX?13:59
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mi2comi love its front end13:59
mi2comsgran: again thank you.13:59
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mi2comsgran: again i have attempted to find docs to read.... they are just quite bloated --- i recommend sometime checks out and tries to find some inspiration from http://www.plainlanguage.gov/howto/guidelines/FederalPLGuidelines/FederalPLGuidelines.pdf14:00
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Madkissfolks, I am having a problem with an OpenStack installation I am doing. I am booting up a VM, it sends a DHCP request. I can see the DHCP request in the qdhcp namespace, I can also see the answer to it, but apparently, the answer never makes it to the actual client14:24
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joejoeOne more time, Error when creating vm. /var/log/nova/nova-compute.log gives http://pastebin.com/YBhiJvxj - I'm running Grizzly on single node VM with qemu14:28
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sgranMadkiss: check the output of ebtables -t nat -L --Lc on the compute host14:33
Madkisssgran: 0 entries everywhere, and ACCEPT as policy.14:34
sgrananything about dhcp in the output of iptables-save ?14:34
sgraner, iptables-save -c14:34
Madkisscompute host or within the network namespace?14:34
sgrancompute host again14:34
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Madkiss-A quantum-openvswi-i2ebfde64-3 -s 10.5.5.2/32 -p udp -m udp --sport 67 --dport 68 -j RETURN14:35
Madkiss-A quantum-openvswi-o2ebfde64-3 -p udp -m udp --sport 68 --dport 67 -j RETURN14:35
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sgranis that the ip address assigned to the network namespace?14:36
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Madkissroot@charlie:~# ip netns exec qdhcp-0595239f-170b-4ed5-8d4a-313db272d57d ip a s tap17cdb8a9-e814:37
Madkiss    inet 10.5.5.2/24 brd 10.5.5.255 scope global tap17cdb8a9-e814:37
sgranjoejoe: I can see that the bridge doesn't exist, which makes the command fail, but I don't know why.  Is the quantum plugin agent running?14:37
sgranMadkiss: ok, that's a start anyway :)14:37
Madkisssgran: hu?14:37
sgranwell, I've seen bugs where openstack sets up wrong iptables/ebtables rules if there are stale db entries14:38
sgranso, I think that problem has been ruled out14:38
sgrannow on to other issues14:38
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sgrancan you vnc onto the guest so that you can run dhclient on demand?14:38
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Madkissyes14:38
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sgranso, the compute host will have something like a) ovs trunk like br-eth b) a bridge for the vm c) the vnet device for the vm14:41
sgranI don't know how familiar you are with all this14:42
sgranbut basically, the next step is to tcpdump on each of these in turn to see where it fails14:42
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sgranI assume you will see the dhcp reply on the ovs trunk, but not on some step between that and the vnet device for the vm14:42
sgranif that is the case, try restarting the quantum ovs plugin14:43
sgranon the compute host14:43
sgranif you don't see it at all on the compute host, try restarting the agent on the controller14:43
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sgranif you run brctl show on the compute host, it gets a little clearer how all these things plug together14:44
Madkissmy setup is pretty standard, I have eth2 where br-int/br-tun plug into, that is the interface for the GRE tunnels14:44
sgranhmm14:44
sgranI don't use GRE tunnels, so I don't know that end of it14:44
sgranbut the rest should be the same14:44
Madkissthe real scary part is that the I can see the DHCP request on the network controller. I can see it come in.14:45
MadkissJust the reply apparently never reaches the client.14:45
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sgranthis is what I see for a single instance:14:46
sgranhttp://paste.debian.net/8090/14:46
Madkisssgran: fa:16:3e:5c:53:ab is the card inside the VM14:46
Madkissthe interface on the computing host (the tap device) is tap2ebfde64-3214:47
Madkisswhen tcpdumping that one, I can see the request going out14:47
Madkissbut it is not coming back in14:47
Madkissso on tap2ebfde64-32 on the compute host I don't see the reply either.14:47
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sgrancan you paste the output of brctl show14:47
Madkisshttp://paste.debian.net/8091/14:48
sgrancan you see the reply on either qvb2ebfde64-32 or qbr2ebfde64-32 ?14:48
Madkissqbr2ebfde64-32, there tap... is bridged into, doesn't see the DHCP replies either.14:48
sgranor qvo2ebfde64-32 ?14:49
Madkissqvb2ebfde64-32 doesn't se them either14:49
sgranor br-tun ?14:49
Madkissand qvo2ebfde64-32 does not see them14:49
sgran(we're working our way out from the vm to the gre tunnel)14:50
Madkissi don't see them on br-tun oO14:50
sgranif you just tcdump on the raw device, do you see gre traffic coming back?14:50
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sgranie, is this a gre failure, or is the other side not sending it14:50
Madkisswell, on the raw device I see a shitload of packages but obviously i can't see the actual contents14:51
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sgrannod14:51
Madkisshttp://paste.debian.net/8093/14:51
Madkissfrom ovs-vsctl show14:51
sgrancan other instances get a dhcp reply?  Is it just this one?14:51
Madkisssgran: no, it affects them all14:51
sgranok14:52
sgrantry restarting the quantum agent on the controller, then14:52
sgranit sounds like your gre tunnels aren't being set up14:52
sgranI have to run for a while14:53
sgranbut that's where I'd start14:53
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jasper22could not start swift-proxy service... :( where I could look for errors ?14:59
joejoesgran: thanks for your help.  It does seem that quantum-plugin-linuxbridge-agent and quantum-server are not running.  When I service quantum-plugin-linuxbridge-agent restart, syslog shows terminated with status 115:01
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Madkisssgran: how would the GRE tunnel be not working if the packets make it from the client to the DHCP server but not the other way around?15:09
sgranjoejoe: there is a log in /var/log/upstart that may have a stacktrace15:18
sgranMadkiss: pass.  I told you I don't use the GRE bits15:18
MadkissI can manually assign an IP inside the VM, and ping the tap device on the network host, and on the network node, I can see arp-whois-requests15:19
Madkissand on the server I can even see the answers going out, but they never make it to the VM, either15:20
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siddhello i am facing an issue while lauching an instance , i am working on LAN environment and on uploading cirros image on public section i am getting no ,i lauched an instance on cirros image it went fine, but toady i added ubuntu image i am able to start an instance and when i tried to lanuch 2nd instance of cirros it is also not working15:27
siddhello i am facing an issue while lauching an instance , i am working on LAN environment and on uploading cirros image on public section i am getting no ,i lauched an instance on cirros image it went fine, but toady i added ubuntu image i am not able to start an instance and when i tried to lanuch 2nd instance of cirros it is also not working15:28
ersiDon't post the same thing more than once.15:29
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siddits not same ,15:30
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lpblol15:31
lpbit is indeed not the same15:31
lpbsidd: did you check your logs?15:31
ersiShrug, okay fine. The only time in history you didn't post twice :p15:31
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siddno, cannot check it right now ! but i think this issue is related to something else,15:33
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ersiIt's always a good idea to check the logfiles at the time of the fault occouring. Might be worth checking the next time15:45
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siddok thanks for reply! which paticular log file to check nova-compute.log or any other15:49
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sgranMadkiss: what's the routing like on the network host?  Does it route the reply elsewhere?15:53
sgranoh, no, you said network namespaces.  Unlikely15:53
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Madkiss15:55:57.271458 ARP, Ethernet (len 6), IPv4 (len 4), Request who-has 192.168.133.113 tell 192.168.133.112, length 2815:56
Madkisshmm15:56
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Madkisssgran: could this be related to flows?16:02
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Madkisssgran: okay, I actually feel ashamed now due to the stupidity of the problem.16:10
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ersisidd: Yeah, that one and possibly swift if that's what you're using for images16:19
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Madkisssgran: just for the record: I had assigned the wrong physical device to br-ex on the network node.16:51
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sgranMadkiss: :)18:37
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