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garysuHas anyone tried to use DevStack to deploy a new private dev cloud since the Folsom release?01:57
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garysuI have tried multiple combination this weekend and none of them complete successfully - well they complete, but things like Cinder aren't working and I can't upload images etc.01:58
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IR8387hello to everyone!04:35
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omenarI'm working on my thesis project, and what I need to do is deploy two availability zones (in two different cities) and make it work with OS...04:38
omenarI know that availability zones is a concept of Amazon...04:38
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omenarand well, I deployed a cloud and is working, but know I need to move to the next step (two availability zones)... but I'm kinda lost with it... I don't know what I need to do :S04:39
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omenarsomeone has any piece of advise for me? =)04:40
omenar(as you can see, english is not my native language (sorry about that))04:40
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lifelessomenar: ignore availability zones, just deploy regions04:52
lifelessomenar: which is the step up04:53
lifelessomenar: e.g. deploy two independent clouds04:53
koapshey does any use quantum and openvswitch?04:53
koapss/any/anyone/04:53
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omenarlifeless: and how can I make work the two regions (different deployments) as one "big"cloud??04:56
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lifelessomenar: well, you don't really, they are separate - same as for Amazon04:57
lifelessomenar: you use tools that can talk to multiple regions04:57
omenarlifeless: any examples of those tools?04:57
lifelessomenar: Amazon's availability zones don't provide much isolation - in most of their outages the whole region goes down, not just one availability zone04:57
lifelessomenar: any cloud library that lets you configure region should be able to do it04:58
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omenarlifeless: thanks for your help! :)04:59
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Slid3rDHi all.07:24
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zykes-Slidey: hi07:32
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blimusIs there a quick way to perform distinct node lookup benchmarks ?08:14
blimusin swift08:14
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uksysadminhello all09:01
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melmothhola !09:04
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uksysadminmelmoth, how are you?09:14
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melmothuksysadmin, i m fine ! starting to read about folsom...09:17
melmothnever touched quantum yet. nor cinder.09:17
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* uksysadmin is currently installing Folsom09:18
uksysadminit's been like 4 days since its release - I'm so behind the times. ;-)09:18
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NuxRouksysadmin: which distro?09:21
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uksysadminNuxRo, Ubuntu 12.04  using CloudArchive09:21
NuxRoaha09:21
NuxRoanyone installed folsom on centos 6 yet?09:22
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TriadeHi there10:43
blimuslo10:43
TriadeI follow the OpenStack doc here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/EnablingQuantumManager-d1e453.html10:43
TriadeI put: network_manager=nova.network.quantum.manager.QuantumManager  in nova.conf10:43
Triadebut when nova compute starts, I have the following error:10:44
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TriadeCRITICAL nova [-] No module named quantum.manager10:44
TriadeImportError: No module named quantum.manager10:44
Triadeany idea?10:44
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Triademaybe a problem of version?10:45
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Triadesomeone here?10:54
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ijwIf I'm trying to do client code in Python, should I be starting with novaclient.client.Client() ?11:08
ijwI'm finding a surprising lack of documentation on the subject at the moment.11:09
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ijwOr is that not intended to be an API for public consumption?11:11
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koolhead17ijw: did you had chance to go through docs?11:14
koolhead17especially http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-novaclient/11:14
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koolhead17http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-compute/2/content/11:15
koolhead17ijw: file a bug on launchpad with missing API doc incase you think we missed something. cheers11:15
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ijwAha.  I was expecting to find something in the document on http://docs.openstack.org/api/ temptingly named 'Programming Openstack Compute API with Shell and Python'11:16
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ijwBut it doesn't mention novaclient.client.Client() at all (and skimming the code is misleading, too - client.py's top 90% is "this is obviously an internal HTTP REST client" and the bottom 10% is "this is the main entry point to nova API programming", but you've got bored by that point)11:17
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ijw(that said, I see I've got the wrong entry point, ho hum)11:19
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koolhead17ijw: best way shoot a mail with your queries in the mailing list or file a bug making openstack doc11:25
ijwkoolhead17: yeah, first I need to work out what the problem is that I'm having ;)11:26
koolhead17ijw: good. just dont assume and come to any conclusion without kicking/hitting every corner :)11:27
ijwI think the issue is that if python-novaclient contains the preferred Python API bindings, as it seems to, then it takes you a while to get to the point that you realise that (because nothing no api.openstack.org says that, and it's not even terribly clear that these are not simply internal functions that are subject to change without notice)11:27
TriadeI follow the OpenStack doc here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/EnablingQuantumManager-d1e453.html11:27
TriadeI put: network_manager=nova.network.quantum.manager.QuantumManager  in nova.conf11:27
Triadebut when nova compute starts, I have the following error:11:27
TriadeCRITICAL nova [-] No module named quantum.manager11:27
TriadeImportError: No module named quantum.manager11:27
TriadeAny idea? How to use Quantum with Nova?11:27
ijwTriade: step one is probably to use Folsom, if that's an option for you, rather than Essex11:28
TriadeI am using Folsom11:29
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Triadeijw, I am using Folsom, but there is a very light documentation about how to use Quantum. And no example of nova.conf directives11:32
koolhead17Triade: pas -ef | grep quantum-server11:32
ijwYou're looking at the Essex documentation11:32
Triadekoolhead17: quantum   3405     1  0 12:37 ?        00:00:08 python /usr/bin/quantum-server --config-file /etc/quantum/quantum.conf --log-file /var/log/quantum/server.log --config-file /etc/quantum/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_quantum_plugin.ini11:33
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Triadepok11:33
Triadeok*11:33
koolhead17Triade: so its running11:34
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Triadeyes11:34
Triadeok11:34
Triadechanged to11:35
Triadenetwork_api_class=nova.network.quantumv2.api.API11:35
TriadeI will try to launch instances now11:35
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Triadenova-compute started correctly11:35
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oneiroianyone have qpidd clustering ? or replicating in some form?11:56
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TriadeSomeone know if quantum-server automatically populate the database? I create a fresh one to switch from a plugin to another, but no table are created13:55
Triadeis there a command to do it?13:56
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zykes-Triade: it creates the database when you start it initially (The schema that is)=13:58
zykes-items are put in when you run commands towards the api using the clinet13:59
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Triadehumm13:59
Triadebut database remains empty13:59
TriadeI have errors in logs: no such tables when I list the networks14:00
Triadetables are not created...14:00
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blimuswith swift, how can I workout / benchmark how long a distinct node lookup is taking. I have a single proxy with 100% CPU and I am wondering if my partition power is causing the issue.14:20
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annegentleijw: I have some work on my backlog to redirect docs.openstack.org/api to api.openstack.org which I think helps a little but your input is helpful for shaping the rest of that site14:23
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fm255005Is there a way to setup the instances to use gigabit nics?14:37
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kbringardyou can change the libvirt.xml.template to use <model type='e1000' />14:39
kbringardor, you can set the flag use_virtio_for_bridges in the nova.conf and it should use virtio, which will give it "direct" access to the underlying hardware and will give you close to the native speed14:39
fm255005ok ill check that out14:40
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fm255005i could have sworn i was using virtio but im definitely getting poor network performance14:40
fm255005thanks14:40
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kbringardyou can run ethtool eth0 in your VM to see what it's doing14:42
kbringardif it only shows link info, that means it is using virtio14:42
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kbringardbut I think it's an rtl8390 or something by "default" (libvirt default), which is only 10/10014:42
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fm255005ill check it out now14:48
fm255005thanks14:48
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ijwannegentle: actually, it doesn't - api.openstack.org seems to describe very specifically the web APIs rather than the Python versions, unless I missed a link somewhere14:55
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notmynameblimus: node lookups shouldn't be consuming all your cpu. once the data structure is loaded into memory (on startup), then it's simply an md5 hash of the object name and a O(1) lookup of the hash. but, if you do want to get more details on how that's working, you can use the swift-get-nodes tool14:58
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kbringardbig O notation ftw15:01
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yocummorning all.15:06
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yocumI have a question about the "public_interface" option - should this be the physical nic (eht0 or em1) or the name of a bridge device (br100, vlan100) connected to the physical nic?15:08
yocumthe documentation is somewhat lacking in this regard15:09
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uksysadminyocum, physcial15:10
uksysadminor physical even15:10
yocumheh.15:10
shriiany body tried openstack on R720 with raid 5 ?15:10
yocumuksysadmin: I would have thought that, too, but this doc suggests otherwise: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/associating-public-ip.html15:11
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shriidell R720 power edge .15:11
yocumvlan100 to me sounds like a bridge device.15:11
yocumshrii: if linux runs on it, openstack will likely run on it.15:11
uksysadminyocum, ok - vlan100 is a physical device - it's just tagged with a vlan id15:11
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shriiyocum your right15:12
shriimy issue how to do volume management with raid515:12
yocumuksysadmin: ok, I'll submit a "bug" on that.  That sentence is not clear to me at all.15:12
uksysadminthe post assumes you've manually created the vlan15:13
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uksysadminunder vlanmanager, openstack will create this for you15:13
uksysadminbut yes, its unclear15:13
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uksysadminof course, the post is equally unclear if you're not using vlanmanager too15:14
shriimy issue how to do volume management with raid5 ?15:14
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shriiyocum..15:16
yocumshrii: sorry - something shiny in another window.15:18
yocum;-)15:18
shriino issue.. but you can give me any clue ?15:18
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yocumshrii: I wish I could.  I'm deep in the bowels of flatDHCP networking with public IP hell, atm.15:19
yocumuksysadmin: well, in the beginning, yes, I did create the bridge devices manually.15:19
uksysadminthe bridge is on your private interface, the public is your routeable network15:20
yocumhaving worked with KVM, oVirt, and OpenNebula for a while, now.15:20
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sampsonDoes anyone know of a good consulting company to talk about infrastructure implementation with large-scale openstack deployments?15:20
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yocumuksysadmin: I was irritated to learn that I didn't need to do that with OpenStack.  I wish the docs had clearly stated "OS will handle the bridge creation for your.  Don't be too smart here."15:21
uksysadminsampson: RCB, Mirantis, Canonical...15:21
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yocumsampson: Red Hat.15:21
yocumsampson: along with what uksysadmin said....15:21
uksysadminyocum, don't be irritated by steps that aren't necessary - either way will still work15:21
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sampsonthanks15:22
shriiany one try openstack on centos 6.3 ?15:23
uksysadminyocum, have you looked at Rackspace Private Cloud Edition - does what you're trying to achieve out of the box15:23
uksysadminif anything good to compare notes with configs it sets up15:24
yocumuksysadmin: I suppose, but there some bits of the docs that something to be desired.15:24
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yocumuksysadmin: that's a good suggestion15:25
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shriiany one try openstack on centos 6.3 ?15:36
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yocumshrii: rhel6.3, yes.15:36
gatuusshrii: Most close is fedora17...15:37
shriifedora 1715:37
number80shrii: essex worked fine, but i haven't tried folsom yet15:38
shriikeyston issue on centos 6.3 is redicules15:38
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shriifosom ready to use any body tried ?15:39
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ijwshrii: yes, yes.15:58
ijw(though I've not tried the release version, just some of the pre-release stuff(15:58
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blimuswith swift, how can I workout / benchmark how long a distinct node lookup is taking. I have a single proxy on 1.4.8 / Ubuntu 12.04 with 100% CPU with a single client downloading lots of small files,  and I am wondering if my partition power is causing the issue.16:26
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notmynameblimus: I would be surprised if your partition power is causing an issue (what is it, BTW?). ring lookups involve an md5 hash of the object name (guaranteed to be <1024+256+256 bytes) and a dictionary lookup (which is O(1))16:28
blimusnotmyname: It's set to 2**2316:28
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notmynameblimus: are you terminating ssl on the proxy?16:29
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blimusyep16:29
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notmynameblimus: that's probably where your CPU is being used. BTW, using swift's proxy server to terminate your SSL is not advised for production uses. It's only there to for dev and (limited) testing purposes. python+eventlet+ssl has some very nasty corner cases16:31
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blimusnotmyname: is pound as a front end the recommended approach ?16:32
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notmynameblimus: pound is a good choice. stud+HAproxy too (and now HAproxy has ssl support included)16:34
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koapsdoes anyone know why quantum with ovs plugin is givening me: ERROR [quantum.openstack.common.rpc.impl_qpid] Timed out waiting for RPC response: None17:33
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ijwNo, but I'd love to find out17:34
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koapsi've been trying to get ovs working but can't seem to get it going17:34
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koolhead17annegentle, ping17:43
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blimusnotmyname: one other datapoint - if I perform a segmented upload of a 4GB file I see 30% CPU use on all 4 cores. If I push thousands of small files I get 100% on all 4 cores.17:48
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notmynameblimus: it makes sense that the overhead associated with each request is proportionally with small requests, right?17:49
notmyname*proportionally higher17:49
blimusnotmyname: agreed.17:50
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notmynameblimus: are you running the proxy on your storage nodes or are they are separate hardware?17:51
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blimusnotmyname: separate HW - one proxy server and three storage servers at present17:52
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blimusI think I will switch off SSL to see how that performs.17:56
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notmynameblimus: ok. as you've seen, the proxy uses CPU. similarly, the storage servers will be more limited by IOPS (or possibly the network between the proxy and storage nodes).17:57
WormManhmm, 95 today in San Diego, hope it cools down in time for the summit17:58
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koapsijw: you using ovs?18:05
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ijwHave been doing.  My setup is broken at the moment.18:06
koapswhat os?18:06
ijwUbuntu LTS18:06
koapsah, i'm on centos18:06
koapsjust switched from qpid to rabbit and that error went away18:06
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koapsadn the quantum command doesn't hang anymore18:07
koapsthink the imp_qpid has issues18:07
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blimusnotmyname: hmmmm. I've not turned off ssl yet, but now I have 100% cpu usage and all python threads seem to be running read() on the ring .gz files...18:17
notmynameblimus: what version of python are you using?18:18
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blimusnotmyname: Python 2.7.318:18
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blimusnotmyname: the rings were made with 2.7.3 so I suffer from #103195418:19
notmynameblimus: python changed how a data structure was implemented in python2.7 (change from python 2.6) that causes the rings to load very slowly. swift has been updated to no longer hit this case18:19
notmynameblimus: ya :-)18:20
blimusmaybe I need to move away from Ubuntu bundled packages....18:20
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blimusnotmyname: thanks for the help. gotta run.18:22
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gatuusError configuring registry database with supplied sql_connection.. folsom??18:31
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gatuus'mysql://blablbal:blalbalbl@localhost/glance'18:32
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gatuusGot error:18:33
gatuus(OperationalError) (2002, "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (13)") None None18:33
gatuus....  ???18:33
koapsis mysql running?18:34
gatuusyes yes.. I can even get into mysql with the supplied creds in mysql://blablabla18:34
koapstrymysql -H localhost -u blah -p18:35
koapstry mysql -H localhost -u blah -p18:35
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gatuusok18:35
Slid3rDHi all18:36
koapsif that works, did you install the mysql python package18:36
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gatuuskoaps: hehehe... gues what..18:37
koapsno access rule for localhost?18:37
gatuuskoaps: noup.. I'm fixing it.. thanks.. GRANt blablabl... ;)18:38
koapsyea, heh18:38
koapsi always run phpmyadmin on my controller so I can easily check the DB18:38
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Ryan_Lanewith flatdhcp networking, is it possible to have multiple private networks on different vlans?18:42
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Ryan_Laneor does it need to be one giant network on a single vlan?18:42
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Ryan_Laneit seems that it's configured by flags in the conf files...18:43
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zykes-Ryan_Lane: I don't think so18:46
zykes-don't you need VLANMAnager for that ?18:46
Ryan_Lanewell, the vlans should talk to each other18:46
Ryan_Lanevlan networking mode completely isolates18:47
Ryan_Lanebut, I have a relatively small network, and need it to be larger18:47
Ryan_Lanenova-manage offers no way to extend a network18:47
Ryan_Laneso, I can create a new one, but that really need a new vlan for it18:47
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Ryan_Lanevishy: ^^ any ideas here?18:49
Ryan_LaneI'm actually running out of IPs18:49
Ryan_Laneif this isn't possible in nova, this is a kind of major issue18:50
zynzelRyan_Lane: this is not major issue.18:50
Ryan_Lanezynzel: then tell me how to solve it18:51
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zynzelRyan_Lane: create bigger network?18:51
zynzeluse vlan manager?18:51
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zynzelRyan_Lane: we change OS code, and every compute node can have own fixed ip range.18:51
Ryan_Lanezynzel: I'd love to do the former18:51
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Ryan_Lanezynzel: how do I create a larger network and make it live?18:52
zynzelso each compute node can be issolated to L3.18:52
Ryan_LaneI can't add a vlan18:52
Ryan_Laneswitching to vlan manager is not a solution18:52
zynzelRyan_Lane: simply change netmask?18:52
Ryan_Lanezynzel: nova-manage inserts database entries when it creates the network18:52
Ryan_Laneif I just change the netmask, it won't add the entries18:52
Ryan_Laneit also won't modify the network entry in the database, or make any other necessary chanegs18:53
zynzelRyan_Lane: so you do wrong assumption on creating network18:53
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zynzeland now nova should repair that? ;)18:53
Ryan_Lane*YES*18:53
Ryan_Laneyes it shoudl!18:53
zynzelRyan_Lane: use windows.18:54
zynzel:)18:54
Ryan_Lanewow.18:54
Ryan_Lanezynzel: I made the network almost two years ago, during bexar release18:54
zynzeladding a few queries to add fixed ip+changing netmask in db+changing netmask on compute nodes18:54
zynzelis not big problem.18:54
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Ryan_Lanethat's such a backwards view of user-friendly software18:55
Ryan_Laneanyway....18:55
Ryan_Laneso, the answer is that I need to modify the database manually18:55
zynzelas i know, yes.18:55
Ryan_Lanehm. who are the quantum folks?18:56
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Ryan_Lanethis is a problem that needs to not exist18:56
Ryan_Laneit's a basic operation to change networks18:56
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EJCHello?18:57
EJCAny chance the slides from the JUC are available?  Really like the trunk gating presentation, wanted to share with some coworkers...18:57
clarkbjeblair: ^18:57
clarkbEJC: I think I know where they are18:57
EJCERMERGERD - can I have a link?18:58
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clarkbEJC: trying to find it (by knowing where they are I really mean I have a vague idea)18:58
EJCwe were under the impression there was a "docs" on the openstack github project18:59
EJCbut we couldn't find it18:59
jeblairhttp://openstack-ci.github.com/publications/18:59
jeblairhttp://openstack-ci.github.com/publications/zuul/index.html#%281%2918:59
jeblairer, openstack-ci.github.com/publications/zuul/index.html18:59
jeblairEJC, clarkb: ^19:00
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EJCwow - thank you!19:00
jeblairyou're welcome19:01
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koapsjeblair: https://github.com/openstack-ci/zuul ?19:01
jeblairkoaps: yep19:01
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koapswhats zuul?19:02
koapsbesides the dood in ghostbusters19:02
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jeblairkoaps: http://ci.openstack.org/zuul/19:02
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koapsinteresting19:03
EJCwatch the presentation19:03
EJCfelt like all those green dood in toystory19:03
EJCOOOOOO - THE CLAW>>>>>19:03
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EJCthanks again19:05
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koapscan't wait to get my stack working so I can try some stuff19:05
koapsjust need to get past the quantum part19:06
larsksIs there any way to recover if an instance gets stuck in, e.g., task state image_snapshot?  Other than mucking about in the database...19:07
larsks...using the Essex release...19:07
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koapsjust curious, is there a reason why ubuntu is so heavy used in openstack? instead of like centos or something?19:13
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zynzelkoaps: probably because peaople from ubuntu port openstack ;)19:14
zynzelhave many 'funny' cloud project (MaaS, cloud-init)19:14
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zynzeland ubuntu is 'jazzy' ;)19:15
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koapsyea, just always thought the business class OS would be more like Redhat, at least I know a lot of companies certify their code against particular Redhat releases19:16
gmikoaps: now Redhat has support for Openstack, as well as Debian, but initially Redhat had an old kernel and old libvirt and developers preferred to develop on Ubuntu because of its fast release cycle and newer features19:16
koapsyea I can see that, I don't even bother with the rpm's19:17
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zynzelkoaps: you allways can buy support from ubuntu19:18
zynzel(dont know how this work, but support from RH really sux)19:18
zynzel(as many other pro company support ;))19:18
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Ryan_Lanemany of the early openstack people were also ubuntu people19:18
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Ryan_Laneeverything was also originally under the launchpad ecosystem19:19
koapsi would try ubuntu by my company only certifies their software against Redhat, and I would use Ubuntu for the computes but that puts the other Devops guys out on a limb, so sticking with what everyone is ok with19:19
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Ryan_LaneRH offers OpenStack19:19
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Ryan_LaneI'm not sure if it's fully released yet, but they at least have a preview19:20
yocumRyan_Lane, koaps: the RH preview is based on Essex.19:21
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koapsyea, I started using the Rpm's but wasn't happy with all the depreciated code warnings, so I said screw it and I'm building from Github, I have huge list of notes and pretty much got everything working when using XCP for a backend but then I had to switch to using KVM because some of the gear I'm testing doesn't have XCP drivers19:22
koapsNow I'm stuck on the networking layer19:22
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Ryan_LaneI definitely don't recommend building from scratch19:22
Ryan_Lanenova is difficult enough to just configure....19:22
yocumkoaps: where are you stuck with networking?19:22
yocum(I'm not saying I can offer much help...)19:23
koapsheh yea, well after building the stack like 20 times I've gotten the process down pretty well19:23
koapsyocum: I'm trying to get quantum and openvswitch playing nice19:23
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koapsI finally got past an error I was having by switching from qpid to rabbit19:23
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yocumoh, I really can't help you - I haven't gotten to Quantum, yet.19:23
yocumstill on ye olde flatDHCP19:24
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WormManpeople are actually using Quantum? wow, I guess I better look at it next year19:24
koapswell for my setup it's kinda ideal19:24
koapsI'm using 40GB infiniband with Xsigo's19:24
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koapsovs is working perfectly as far as bridging19:25
koapsjust getting quantum to play nice is trippin me up19:25
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koapsand all the docs are written for ubuntu mostly :)19:26
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koapswhat I don't get is why the quantum plugins have database settings, but in all the docs I've seen, there is no steps to actually create tables19:28
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koapshumm well that's a good sign, I see the br-tun interface, maybe it is working19:31
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kenneth_hey guys.. in essex, after I run  glance index19:34
kenneth_Failed to show index. Got error:19:34
kenneth_Response from Keystone does not contain a Glance endpoint.19:34
kenneth_the keystone database does contain an endpoint for Glance19:35
kenneth_i'm however skeptical, the endpoint was created as 'glance' not 'Glance', is that supposed to make a difference at all19:36
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koapskenneth_: how did you make the endpoints?19:39
kenneth_ya19:39
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kenneth_I'm pretty sure since I can see them in the keystone database19:39
kenneth_EmilienM: c'est quoi ton handle sur touitteur encore?19:40
koapsif you look at the service table, is the name capital in the extra, description, name ?19:40
EmilienMkenneth_: pm please.19:40
zynzelkenneth_: paste select * from services; select * from endpoint_templates;19:41
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kenneth_zynzel19:41
kenneth_from the keystone database right?19:41
zynzelkenneth_: yeah19:41
kenneth_I do not have a endpoint_template table though19:42
zynzelkenneth_: show tables ;)19:42
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kenneth_http://pastie.org/4892917 zynzel19:44
contextkenneth_: ... "service"19:44
contextsingular19:45
kenneth_http://pastie.org/489293019:46
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kenneth_context zynzel reposted19:46
kenneth_"name": "glance"19:46
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zynzelkenneth_: and select * from endpoint;?19:47
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kenneth_http://pastie.org/489293019:48
kenneth_updated19:48
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zynzeldunno, look good but im using older version of keystone.19:50
kenneth_i'm checking that too right now19:50
kenneth_2012.1.3+stable~20120821-120fcf-0ubuntu1   OpenStack Image Registry and Delivery Service - Python library19:50
kenneth_ii  keystone                         2012.1+stable~20120824-a16a0ab9-0ubuntu2.2 OpenStack identity service - Daemons19:51
kenneth_zynzel should i try the testing packages instead19:53
zynzelkenneth_: cant help you, we use 2012.1 (e3 before stable essex)19:53
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kenneth_context what about you? what version do you use.19:54
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atriusanyone know if Folsom is in the ubuntu repositories yet?19:55
kenneth_zynzel thx, but from the error i'm getting do you think the capital G matters19:55
zynzelkenneth_: maybe try to update db directly19:56
zynzelchange glance to Glance and check19:56
zynzelbut imho this is not a problem in your case19:56
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kenneth_zynzel right on it didn't make a different20:00
kenneth_*difference20:00
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Ryan_Laneyep. updating the database is just going swimmingly20:07
Ryan_Lanenow instances won't delete, and instances being assigned IPs in the old range are erroring out20:07
vishyRyan_Lane: there is no way to do that20:07
Ryan_Laneno way to do what?20:07
Ryan_LaneI can't extend a range?20:08
vishyRyan_Lane: change the size of a network20:08
Ryan_Laneso, I'm basically fucked, then?20:08
vishyRyan_Lane: you will have to delete and recreate the network20:08
Ryan_Lane.....20:08
vishyand manually add all of the fixed_ip entries20:08
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vishyRyan_Lane: actually let me rephrase20:08
Ryan_Lanewon't that mean all my instances will re-ip?20:08
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vishyRyan_Lane: the easiest way is to delete and recreate the network20:09
vishyRyan_Lane: since you have ips already, you will have to manually change the cidr of your network in the db20:09
Ryan_Lanewell, I tried modifying the network entry to change the broadcast, cidr, and such20:09
vishyRyan_Lane: and manually create new fixed_ip entries20:09
Ryan_Lanethen I added fixed_ips for the extension20:09
Ryan_Lanebut, now I'm getting all kinds of errors20:09
dan408hiya20:09
Ryan_Lanefor instance: 2012-10-01 20:04:48 TRACE nova.rpc.amqp DetachedInstanceError: Parent instance <Instance at 0x46fa150> is not bound to a Session; lazy load operation of attribute 'instance_type' cannot proceed20:10
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Ryan_Laneall of my new instance creations are erroring out, including instances that were previously in the old range20:10
vishyRyan_Lane: a) did you set the network_id for the new fixed_ips you added?20:10
Ryan_Laneand I can't delete instances now20:10
Ryan_Laneyes20:10
Ryan_Lanesame network_id20:10
vishyRyan_Lane: that is a strange error to be getting20:11
Ryan_Laneagreed20:11
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Ryan_Laneseems it isn't associating addresses with vifs20:13
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zykes-vishy: time for a question?20:14
Ryan_LaneI'm getting that error specifically for instances I'm trying to delete20:14
Ryan_Lanethat's why deletions are failing20:14
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vishyRyan_Lane: are you on essex?20:15
Ryan_Laneyep20:15
vishyRyan_Lane: and do you have essex/stable?20:15
vishyas in all the patches?20:15
Ryan_Lanewell, I'm using what comes with ubuntu20:15
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vishyi remember that error message from a while ago, but I don't know why you would suddenly be getting it20:15
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Ryan_Lanewell, this is almost definitely related to the networking changes I just made20:16
Ryan_Lanebecause I wasn't getting it before that20:16
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zynzelno, this is related to db change you made.20:16
zynzelnova-network/compute have old session for db.20:16
brianclinenotmyname: is that due to lack of easily accessible expertise with alternative platforms and even distributions? would also be interested in hearing more offline about the details on support concerns20:17
zynzeltry to restart nova-network service20:17
brianclineoops20:17
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Ryan_Laneseems I get the same error on instance creation, too20:18
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Ryan_Lanezynzel: are you talking to me?20:19
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zynzelRyan_Lane: yes.20:21
Ryan_Lanethought I had. will try that again, though20:22
Ryan_Lanemaybe I made some additional changes after that and forgot20:22
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Ryan_Lanegreat. now when I run delete, it doesn't even cast it to the compute node20:34
Ryan_Laneor the compute node isn't picking it up20:34
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gatuuswhere could I check the differences of the tables in Keystone between ESSEX and FOLSOM??20:40
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Ryan_LaneI'm really starting to think my database is fucked and I need to restore from backup20:40
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gatuusI'm migrating from es to fol20:41
Ryan_Laneah. nova-compute was deadlocked20:41
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Ryan_Laneugh. basically all of my compute nodes are deadlocked20:50
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Ryan_Laneclearing all of the deadlocks and restarting seems to have fixed the deletion problem. new instances from the old range are building properlyt21:01
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Ryan_Laneseems an ip from the extended range is now working too21:01
Ryan_Lanezynzel: seems restarting the services worked, but I needed to restart all of them for some reason21:02
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Ryan_Lanehm. so, dnsmasq is still handing out address information with the old subnet and broadcast21:14
Ryan_Laneany idea why that may happen?21:14
Ryan_LaneI killed dnsmasq processes and restarted nova-network21:14
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Ryan_Laneah. needed to update the route table on the network node and remove the old ip assignment on the bridge21:31
Ryan_Lanethis is absurdly difficult. maybe I'll write a blog post for any other poor soul that needs to do this in the future21:31
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annegentleRyan_Lane: anything you can write up will help others21:38
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Ryan_Laneideally nova/quantum could handle this situation on its own21:39
Ryan_Lanethis required manually mucking with the database21:39
Ryan_Lanemodifying route tables, changing device config, etc.21:39
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Ryan_Laneannegentle: the docs should definitely warn people that it's better to overestimate a cidr range, than to underestimate it21:40
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Ryan_Lanesince it's very difficult to change the network later, especially if you use flatdhcp21:40
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annegentleRyan_Lane: do you have to populate the database yourself?21:42
Ryan_Laneyes21:42
annegentleRyan_Lane: yeesh.21:43
Ryan_Laneyep. not much fun ;)21:43
annegentleRyan_Lane: I mean, gosh that sounds like fun21:43
annegentle:)21:43
Ryan_Lanethis is what happens when you think: meh, we'll be out of this datacenter well before we have that many instances21:43
Ryan_Lanethen hit growth rate 2-3 times what you expect. people love free things :D21:44
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annegentleRyan_Lane: yowsa21:46
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koapsoh you dirty sonofabitch22:02
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koapslol, ran into another hardcoded path22:02
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wohoohi guys22:11
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yocumRyan_Lane: just reading back... I *so* right there with you and effing flatdhcp nova network!  Grrrrr!22:13
wohooanybody knows whats going wrong with openstack if every vm service port is reachable by its external ip so seems there is no iptables set up correctly?22:14
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atriusgot a question on the subject of persistent storage (nova-volume)... how does migration work with persistent storage?22:15
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Ryan_Laneyocum: yeah. it's painful. I have it all working now, thankfully, though22:16
yocumRyan_Lane: you're using essex or folsom?22:16
yocumI'm using the RH preview - Essex.22:16
Ryan_Laneessex22:16
Ryan_Lanefor the most part it's stablish22:17
* yocum looks at the clock... need to start on dinner before the fam comes home. Ryan_Lane are you going to be around, tomorrow? Maybe you can take a look at what the heck I'm doing wrong.22:17
Ryan_Lanemy nova-compute services occasionally deadlock22:17
Ryan_Laneyocum: sure.22:17
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yocumthat, I have not seen.  I've seen "building" and "deleting" at the same time, though.22:17
yocumand really screwed up routing tables and iptable rules that just hang around for ever...22:18
yocumcool22:18
yocumRyan_Lane: I'll ping you tomorrow.  thanks!22:18
atriusis a local lvm named nova-volumes the only way to do this? surely not, right?22:18
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atriusis it possible to use gluster for persistent storage?22:30
koapssure22:30
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atriuskoaps: not for VM image storage.. but actual persistent storage managed by nova-volume22:30
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Ryan_Laneatrius: you wouldn't want to use it for vm image storage anyway22:34
Ryan_Laneatrius: I'm not sure about using it for nova-volume22:34
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atriusRyan_Lane: why is that?22:34
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Ryan_Lanebecause it handles it *really* poorly22:34
Ryan_LaneI was previously using gluster for my vm storage22:34
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Ryan_Laneit ended poorly a number of times22:34
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atriusthe problem i'm trying to solve is getting live migration working... all i have access to at the moment is one lonely fileserver+two compute nodes... i believe i could give the nodes access to the instances via a shared NFS... but one of the instances has/needs persistent storage22:35
Ryan_Lanewell, all instances have persistent storage, via ephemeral storage22:35
atriusand thus.. the need for some kind of shared volume.. which led me to either gluster or ceph22:36
Ryan_Lanebut it goes away if you terminate the instance22:36
Ryan_Laneit stays around for reboots and such22:36
Ryan_Lanedon't use gluster for shared storage, unless you want outages22:36
koapsatrius: check out https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=openstack-centos-kvm-glusterfs-guide-aug2012&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cloudbus.org%2Freports%2FOpenStack-CentOS-KVM-glusterfs-guide-Aug2012.pdf&ei=jRlqUMf6BMHx0gGMwIBw&usg=AFQjCNGavu_UuRy3PD0B4tsMD3PBYRZeLw22:36
koapshe uses gluster for live migrations22:36
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koapsthough can't you use swift for that?22:37
atriusRyan_Lane: true.. but doesn't it also go away for VM failures? either way.. not sure the powers that be would like to hear "yeah, it'll be fine as long as no one ever hits 'terminate instance'... if they do.. our DB goes poof and we have to restore'.. even if i do follow that up with some neat way to do the restore :)22:37
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Ryan_Laneatrius: yep22:37
atriuskoaps: i thought swift only did object storage?22:37
koapsnot 100%, having messed with it yet22:38
Ryan_Laneswift only does object storage, yes22:38
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atriushuh... for some reason the idea of running the gluster bits on the compute nodes directly, thus making all data available everywhere all the time, never crossed my mind... i had it in my mind to run it "somewhere else"22:40
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atriuskoaps: it looks interesting.. but unfortunately doesn't address the issue of nova-volume being tied to a particular node.. i need to check something though22:44
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koapsatrius: what about DRDB?22:54
koapsyou only have two compute nodes anyways right22:54
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atriuskoaps: for now yeah.. though in the future there will be 'more'22:54
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koapsfor a database server, you would probably be better running two or more nodes on seperate computes and run replication, last thing you want is corrupted data being replicated at the file system layer due to an outtage22:57
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atriuskoaps: true22:57
atriusof course.. that said... i still need persistent storage for the DB server in the first place... i _can_ do all kinds of things... but it would be nice if the storage would fail over with the VM without having to configure that inside the VM itself.. though i suppose that really wouldn't be too evil22:59
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koapsatrius: heh, here, you can try this, pretty hardcore route, http://www.bauer-power.net/2011/08/roll-your-own-fail-over-san-cluster.html#.UGojDBhstFQ23:11
koapsyou would have a iscsi drive to use nova volumes23:12
mnaserwhy not handle failover at the application layer?23:12
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atriuskoaps: funny.. i was thinking of doing something not too different from that23:12
atriusmnaser: you mean inside the VM instead of having openstack handle it?23:13
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mnaserwell, yeah, just configure your application to be highly available over your vms23:13
mnaserunless you have a backend storage that's shared then you'll just need a redundant centralized store, which you can host using nova-volume23:13
mnaseror aka cinder now23:14
mnaseralso, check out ceph for distributed block storage if you don't want to even bother with a san23:14
atriusmnaser: the part i'm having trouble with is figuring out how to get nova-volume to use something that isn't just an LVM local to the machine... unless it's just as simple as presenting the block device and creating the VM on the compute node?23:15
koapscinder pulls out the nova-volume piece right?23:15
mnaseryes koaps, nova-volume -> cinder23:16
mnaseratrius: well what you could do is basically use Ceph for distributed storage using the local space23:16
mnaserand then you would launch instances from a nova-volume and not using local storage23:16
mnaserthat way when its' running from a nova-volume that means its running from your san/backend storage23:16
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atriusmnaser: got you.. but the question i'm trying to answer specifically deals with the persistent storage part23:18
mnaseratrius: openstack does use persistent storage23:18
mnasereven for the local storage23:18
atriusso that if i create a persistent storage volume.. i want that to be not on the compute node only23:18
mnaserokay so there's two type of vm-backing storage23:18
mnaserthe ones creating using nova-compute which usually are on the local storage of the machine, those ARE persistent and are not deleted unless you delete them23:18
mnaserthe other ones are created using nova-compute and usually on a cluster/san, they're also persistent unless you delete them23:19
mnaserthe difference between nova-volume and compute volumes are that the ones with compute are LINKED to a machine, so if you delete a VM, the data goes away23:19
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mnaserbut nova-volume storage is not linked to a VM, so deleting a VM keeps the data stored23:19
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koapsthe compute volumes are the ones stored in instances?23:20
mnasercompute volumes is the root of your OS, etc.23:20
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atriusmnaser: okay.. that's pretty much as i understood it... but if you create a volume using nova-volume (cinder) it ends up created as a logical volume in a volume group named nova-volumes... that being the case.. i guess what i'm trying to figure out is if i build a ceph system, will that present a block device to all compute nodes that can be used for that logical volume and thus for nova-volume volumes23:21
mnaseratrius: correct, in a proper setup, nova-volume/cinder volumes are accessible and visible to all hypervisors23:22
mnaserthey are presented using iscsi23:22
atriusit seems logical to me.. but before i put the time in to find out i thought i'd ask :D23:22
mnaserand openstack takes care of the whole process of making them visible/etc23:22
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atriusmnaser: presuming the storage is separate from the compute nodes in the first place, yes?23:22
mnaseratrius: yep23:23
atriusah... so basically i'm trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist and is really only a problem because of my limited setup.... :D23:23
mnaseras you've mentioned you have 2 compute nodes so i'd probably recommend looking into using Ceph because it's distributed block storage and it's built in compatibility with openstack23:23
koapsheh23:23
mnaserif you have a san, you can just expose it to a machine and cinder will take it and expose it over iscsi to the other machines and what not23:24
atriusmnaser: ceph does sound like the way to go... gluster looks interesting but it doesn't seem like it is what i'm really after23:24
mnaseratrius: glusterfs is not block storage and I'm not a fan of running vm images as a file23:24
atriusmnaser: true.. though i may use glusterfs for something else entirely later23:25
koapsmnaser: if my SAN device supports iscsi is that a better way to go? or should I still setup the LUNs on the cinder host?23:25
mnaserI'm sure its great for actual file storage but idk about running vm's on it23:25
mnaserkoaps: well, cinder would need to have an appropriate driver to interact with your SAN and create luns/etc23:26
atriuskoaps: that's a good question... i'd rather avoid the redirection if possible23:26
atriusmnaser: is there a handy list of drivers laying about?23:26
* atrius has been trying to find one23:26
mnaserno sure if list but23:26
mnaserhttps://github.com/openstack/cinder/tree/master/cinder/volume23:27
koapsmnaser: my SAN is over infiniband, and my controllers and compute nodes all have the drivers so I can do eithere23:27
mnaseryou can see a list of them there, there's solid fire, net app, etc23:27
mnasersan.py has one for solaris/zfs, hp sans23:27
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atriusi saw somewhere on openstack's site about using nexenta(sp?)23:28
mnaseri think they have drivers for its s you see nexenta folder23:28
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atriuslol.. yeah.. looked right past it :D23:28
atriusi was watching a video on it earlier.. it looks promising23:29
mnasernexenta is very nice, zfs/solaris is a great platform23:29
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efinneAnyone aware of a doc that explains how to setup ESXi with OpenStack? I've been told each ESX box needs to have a VM on it with libvirt23:43
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cloudflyefinne i am not aware of one23:53
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cloudflyi'd love to see one if it exists.23:53
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