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uvirtbot | New bug: #1054387 in quantum "oom while executing unit tests" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054387 | 00:21 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #1054388 in glance "running tests leaves running python2.6 processes" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054388 | 00:21 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #1054389 in openstack-manuals "nova: missing flags " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054389 | 00:26 |
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z00dax | hi guys, can I have hybrid hypervisors in one region/project in Essex ? | 00:52 |
z00dax | like 2 nova nodes running Xen and another 5 running kvm | 00:52 |
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akshaysth | hello | 01:28 |
akshaysth | im having issues getting vnc to work from the dash | 01:29 |
akshaysth | is anyone able to assist? | 01:30 |
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zodiak | you are going to probably have to give more information than =that= sadly | 01:31 |
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akshaysth | zodiak: welll im running os on a fedora box | 01:31 |
akshaysth | i've gone through the guide and set it up exactly the same way | 01:32 |
akshaysth | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_on_Fedora_17 | 01:32 |
zodiak | uh-huh | 01:32 |
akshaysth | there's a section on that about vnc access | 01:32 |
zodiak | and have you tried with the basic cirros image ? | 01:33 |
akshaysth | hm no | 01:33 |
* akshaysth googles | 01:33 | |
zodiak | you are wanting to jst try and play around with openstack .. right ? | 01:33 |
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akshaysth | its more of try to learn to become really good at it :) | 01:34 |
zodiak | well.. first thing's first.. you trying this on a laptop/desktop or nice server ? | 01:35 |
akshaysth | i've got some equipment i can test it on and i volunteer on the fp infra so hoping to assist deploying/maintaining there | 01:35 |
zodiak | cause if it's a laptop/desktop, then I would suggest grabbing virtualbox + devstack and using those | 01:35 |
akshaysth | a nice server :) | 01:35 |
zodiak | server is slightly easier.. wipe it clean, install ubuntu 12.04 and install devstack | 01:35 |
akshaysth | dual quad xeons + 8gb for starters ;) | 01:35 |
akshaysth | ok | 01:35 |
zodiak | good gods.. yeah. | 01:35 |
akshaysth | haha | 01:35 |
zodiak | fedora 16 also works with devstack | 01:36 |
akshaysth | ahhh ok | 01:36 |
akshaysth | success/failure ratio? | 01:36 |
akshaysth | i hope its good :P | 01:36 |
zodiak | I was thinking of going dual quad xeons but.. am probably going towards the 3930k | 01:36 |
akshaysth | hmmm | 01:36 |
zodiak | if you use ubuntu12.04 or fedora 16 and devstack .. it's LAUGHABLY simple | 01:36 |
akshaysth | picked it up from a datacenter closing down | 01:36 |
akshaysth | ok | 01:36 |
zodiak | things get hard when you try to get 'fancy' | 01:36 |
akshaysth | haha | 01:36 |
zodiak | (no offense meant) | 01:36 |
akshaysth | aint that the truth :) | 01:36 |
akshaysth | possible to run devstack on a vm? | 01:37 |
akshaysth | i just want to try it out right now | 01:38 |
akshaysth | if there's minimal hassles in getting it up and running then i can wipe the whole server and redo | 01:38 |
zodiak | well.. yes.. of course | 01:38 |
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zodiak | you can use vbox if you want | 01:38 |
zodiak | but then you are limited to kvm/qemu | 01:38 |
akshaysth | kvm? | 01:38 |
zodiak | that maybe not a problem for you | 01:38 |
akshaysth | right | 01:39 |
zodiak | depends if you need windows HVM's or not | 01:39 |
akshaysth | nah | 01:39 |
zodiak | then kvm should be plenty fine | 01:39 |
akshaysth | i try to steer miles away from it | 01:39 |
akshaysth | ok cool | 01:39 |
* akshaysth punches keys | 01:39 | |
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zodiak | I should be around for the next while, but, honestly, devstack and fedora16 or ubuntu 12.04 | 01:40 |
zodiak | done | 01:40 |
akshaysth | ooohh what luck...i've got a fresh fed16 vm sitting and doing nothing :D | 01:40 |
akshaysth | cool | 01:40 |
akshaysth | what's the diff between using devstack and doing a fresh openstack install? | 01:40 |
akshaysth | other than its simpler | 01:41 |
akshaysth | what is it missing is what im trying to get at | 01:41 |
zodiak | nothing | 01:41 |
zodiak | devstack was written by developers to get a stack up quickly | 01:41 |
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akshaysth | ahh | 01:41 |
zodiak | it's not persistent between reboots.. for that you want crowbar | 01:41 |
zodiak | but I would say start with devstack | 01:41 |
akshaysth | hmm | 01:41 |
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akshaysth | zodiak: thanks for your help i'll play around with this and see if i get anywhere :) thanks again | 01:45 |
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zodiak | no worries | 01:46 |
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zodiak | man.. conky looks pretty sweet after playing around with it a bit and some lua | 01:50 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #1054412 in keystone "keystone database schemas should use utf8 character set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054412 | 02:06 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #1054459 in openstack-manuals "Update glance configuration files and option references for Folsom" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054459 | 06:46 |
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openstack-test | hii | 06:58 |
openstack-test | my naova manage service list is not getting updated | 06:59 |
openstack-test | its status is showing XXX istead of :) | 06:59 |
openstack-test | can u please help me out | 06:59 |
openstack-test | ? | 06:59 |
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openstack-test | my naova manage service list is not getting updated | 07:01 |
openstack-test | its status howing XXX instead of :) | 07:01 |
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troya | hi everyone | 07:49 |
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troya | anyone here have try juju pn openstack ? | 07:52 |
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troya | anyone here? | 07:55 |
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troya | ? | 08:00 |
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troya | ups | 08:30 |
troya | noon hre | 08:30 |
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troya | helloo | 08:41 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #1054501 in openstack-common "Fail safe wsgi logging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054501 | 09:16 |
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woorea | hi | 11:49 |
woorea | anybody has installed openstack in a nat network? | 11:50 |
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shrii | hey guys | 12:55 |
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shrii | any body using DELL R 720 for openstack cloud ? | 12:55 |
shrii | any body using DELL R 720 for openstack cloud ? | 12:56 |
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troya | hi all | 14:38 |
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troya | ayone here have try deployment juju on openstack instances ? | 14:42 |
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spydmobile | Hi, I would like to know if OpenStack allows you to pool together all the comupters you have into a large pool of it resources from which you can provision VMs whichrun on a raid like undersystem? | 15:04 |
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cryptk | hello all, running into a bit of a snag, I have OpenStack creating VM's almost perfectly on a xenapi system | 15:22 |
cryptk | the problem is, it created the VDI's the right size, but it isn't resizing the filesystem to fill it | 15:22 |
cryptk | looks like it isn't resizing the partition either | 15:25 |
cryptk | so the VDI is the right size, partition is the size of the image, filesystem is the size of the image | 15:25 |
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NuxRo | cryptk: yes, it's a common problem.. openstack doesn't resize that (unless you go with amazon-type images) | 15:28 |
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cryptk | NuxRo, not so, I just got it to do it ;) | 15:46 |
cryptk | I basically just built a tiny instance from my image, manually poked the DB to set auto_disk_config = True | 15:46 |
cryptk | made an image of that | 15:46 |
cryptk | built from that second image and it resized it ;) | 15:47 |
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NuxRo | cryptk: what kind of image do you have? | 15:52 |
NuxRo | the unpartitioned img type? | 15:53 |
cryptk | nope, it's a VHD | 15:53 |
NuxRo | I'm not familiar with that one | 15:53 |
cryptk | NuxRo, a VHD is how XenServer stores it's images | 15:53 |
NuxRo | aha, ok | 15:53 |
cryptk | although this isn't a XenServer install, but it works the same way | 15:53 |
NuxRo | got it | 15:53 |
cryptk | it's Kronos, which is Xapi on a debian distro ;) | 15:54 |
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cryptk | odd thing though.. | 15:56 |
cryptk | it works if the instance that was snapshotted is still around | 15:56 |
cryptk | if I delete that instance, but leave the snapshot, it doesn't resize them anymore... | 15:56 |
cryptk | but this gives me something to look for now ;) | 15:56 |
spydmobile | hi folks still trying to get some clarity about OpenStack, once The system is installed, can a stand alone desktop machine with VT be added to the pool easily and does the resources drawn off the pool come from multiple sources (like a raid where things are spread acros physical disks) | 15:57 |
zynzel | spydmobile: no, this is not possible. | 15:58 |
zynzel | read about RAM and network throughput | 15:58 |
zynzel | and then compare them. | 15:58 |
spydmobile | zynzel: thanks so not like a raid system, so if I then add a machine with a dualcore and 4gigs, it can host a vm or two in the cloud | 15:59 |
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spydmobile | zynzel: I am writing a brief to manager about how to make use of the hundres of computers that do nothing all winter in our org. | 16:00 |
zynzel | if you use 1 physical server with 2cpus and 4gigs, cloud solution dont have any sense ;) | 16:00 |
NuxRo | cryptk: can you tell which table/field in nova db you modified? | 16:00 |
NuxRo | I want to also test it | 16:00 |
zynzel | spydmobile: look at openstack as normal virtualisation technology+api+scalability | 16:02 |
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spydmobile | zynzel: thanks, ok, perhaps openstack is not the right solution, I am trying to join 150 computers togehter and make some powerful VMs on it. We have 8 months of the year where the computers do nothing. | 16:04 |
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zynzel | spydmobile: imho you have wrong assumptions | 16:05 |
zynzel | you should change your app/software to use distributed setup (many little nodes do other task) | 16:06 |
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spydmobile | zynzel: probably you are right, Is my idea even possible? | 16:06 |
zynzel | spydmobile: dont ever hear about technology which do what you want ;) | 16:07 |
zynzel | big computer cluster uses distributed computing | 16:07 |
spydmobile | zynzel: Thank you. I needed to hear that :D I will find other non-cloud ways to utilize these machines - I will look more into direibuted solutions, thanks for your time! | 16:08 |
cryptk | NuxRo, inside the nova db, instances table | 16:08 |
cryptk | column name auto_disk_config | 16:08 |
NuxRo | cryptk: cheers | 16:09 |
zynzel | spydmobile: no problem, im happy i can help | 16:09 |
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zynzel | but maybe there are sollution which allow create 'big virtual computer' | 16:09 |
zynzel | but i dont have any idea how to search them :) | 16:10 |
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NuxRo | cryptk: i don't think modifying that actually sets the default so new instances will not benefit from it, there has to be some other place to set this i guess | 16:11 |
cryptk | well, it works as long as you make a backup of that instance, and build from that backup | 16:11 |
cryptk | until you delete the instance that the backup was made from | 16:11 |
NuxRo | aha | 16:12 |
cryptk | I have decided to just short circuit it in my code | 16:12 |
NuxRo | yeah, it prolly inherits the current value for the life time of the instance/snapshot | 16:12 |
cryptk | I added a line that sets instance.auto_disk_config = True just before the check | 16:12 |
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cryptk | it looks like it is referencing the setting on the original instance rather than the setting on the image | 16:12 |
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cryptk | adding in that line makes it auto_configure_disks for all instance builds, but that is fine for my uses | 16:13 |
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zodiak | the one large computer thing is called a cluster or beowulf (which is a specific type of cluster) | 16:46 |
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zynzel | "A Beowulf cluster is a computer cluster of what are normally identical, commodity-grade computers networked into a small local area network with libraries and programs installed which allow processing to be shared among them. The result is a high-performance parallel computing cluster from inexpensive personal computer hardware." | 16:48 |
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zynzel | as i says, cluster uses distributed computing, not 'one big virtual server'. | 16:48 |
zodiak | split that hair really fine | 16:48 |
zodiak | note how you used the word 'virtual' | 16:48 |
zodiak | a cluster IS one giant VIRTUAL server | 16:48 |
zynzel | zodiak: no it is cluster of computers which compute something in distributed maner | 16:49 |
zodiak | beowulf can use MPI to parallelize jobs, sure, but that's what will happen on any large scale technology to get the good performance. it's (in essence) a mapreduce | 16:49 |
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zynzel | not ONE big server. | 16:50 |
zodiak | define; one big server | 16:50 |
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zodiak | cause that implies ONE machine if you want to get pedantic | 16:50 |
zynzel | zodiak: no for example one virtual machine which have 250 cpus and 1TB ram. | 16:50 |
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zynzel | and resorces are distributed from many 'hypervisors'. | 16:51 |
zodiak | ffs.. you do realise there is more than one clustering solution, right ? | 16:51 |
zynzel | and 'beowulf' dont work this way. | 16:51 |
zodiak | jst cause you (may) have used MPI .. doesn't mean that's the onle way | 16:51 |
zodiak | onle ? only :) | 16:51 |
zodiak | it's the most common by far, and beowulf does that the 'best' ergo.. why people say beowulf for clustering | 16:51 |
zynzel | zodiak: ok, so find solution which can cluster many computer, to act as one. | 16:52 |
zodiak | have a look at mosix | 16:52 |
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zodiak | I ran that (well, openmosix) for a couple of years, and yeah, it's pretty much EXACTLY what you are talking about | 16:53 |
zodiak | aaww.. it's deprecated/dead .. well .. evolved into linuxmpi | 16:53 |
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zynzel | zodiak: yeah, mosix can send proccess to other physical machine... | 16:54 |
zodiak | In short it means that ten computers are able to work as one large computer; however, there is no master machine, so each machine can be used as an individual workstation. | 16:54 |
zodiak | wikipedia ftw | 16:54 |
zynzel | but still one process cant use ALL cpus from cluster. | 16:54 |
zodiak | I didn't know openmosix had died .. shame | 16:54 |
zodiak | yes, it CAN | 16:54 |
zodiak | IF it's written with parallelism in mind | 16:55 |
zodiak | eg; folding@home will | 16:55 |
zodiak | gimp won't | 16:55 |
zynzel | zodiak: so you ditribute many taks to many physical nodes ;) | 16:55 |
zynzel | so you dont have 'one big computer' ;) | 16:55 |
zodiak | no, many chunks | 16:55 |
zodiak | mapreduce | 16:55 |
zodiak | *sighs* | 16:55 |
zodiak | okay, whatever, argue with wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cluster | 16:56 |
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zynzel | i know what is cluster, and distributed computing. ;) | 16:58 |
zynzel | but read spydmobile | 16:58 |
zynzel | 17:5753 <spydmobile> hi folks still trying to get some clarity about OpenStack, once The system is installed, can a stand alone desktop machine with VT be added to the pool easily and does the resources drawn off the pool come from multiple sources (like a raid where things are spread acros physical disks) | 16:58 |
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zynzel | he want to run smth like as in you example 'gimp' on cluster, without changing application | 16:59 |
zynzel | he want to have all resources from cluster on 'one big server' | 16:59 |
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zynzel | as he says 'raid', application dont know how many disks are under OS, you add new disk, and application can use it | 17:02 |
zynzel | without any work. | 17:02 |
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blast_hardcheese | Is Flat Networking just coexisting with the existing network? | 23:42 |
blast_hardcheese | I don't need two interfaces configured, nor do I need a separate network; I'd like everything to go through my site-wide DHCP/DNS server, but most tutorials assume you want a multi-NIC setup | 23:43 |
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