Saturday, 2012-09-22

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uvirtbotNew bug: #1054387 in quantum "oom while executing unit tests" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105438700:21
uvirtbotNew bug: #1054388 in glance "running tests leaves running python2.6 processes" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105438800:21
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1054389 in openstack-manuals "nova: missing flags " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105438900:26
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z00daxhi guys, can I have hybrid hypervisors in one region/project in Essex ?00:52
z00daxlike 2 nova nodes running Xen and another 5 running kvm00:52
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akshaysthhello01:28
akshaysthim having issues getting vnc to work from the dash01:29
akshaysthis anyone able to assist?01:30
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zodiakyou are going to probably have to give more information than =that= sadly01:31
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akshaysthzodiak: welll im running os on a fedora box01:31
akshaysthi've gone through the guide and set it up exactly the same way01:32
akshaysthhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_on_Fedora_1701:32
zodiakuh-huh01:32
akshaysththere's a section on that about vnc access01:32
zodiakand have you tried with the basic cirros image ?01:33
akshaysthhm no01:33
* akshaysth googles01:33
zodiakyou are wanting to jst try and play around with openstack .. right ?01:33
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akshaysthits more of try to learn to become really good at it :)01:34
zodiakwell.. first thing's first.. you trying this on a laptop/desktop or nice server ?01:35
akshaysthi've got some equipment i can test it on and i volunteer on the fp infra so hoping to assist deploying/maintaining there01:35
zodiakcause if it's a laptop/desktop, then I would suggest grabbing virtualbox + devstack and using those01:35
akshaystha nice server :)01:35
zodiakserver is slightly easier.. wipe it clean, install ubuntu 12.04 and install devstack01:35
akshaysthdual quad xeons + 8gb for starters ;)01:35
akshaysthok01:35
zodiakgood gods.. yeah.01:35
akshaysthhaha01:35
zodiakfedora 16 also works with devstack01:36
akshaysthahhh ok01:36
akshaysthsuccess/failure ratio?01:36
akshaysthi hope its good :P01:36
zodiakI was thinking of going dual quad xeons but.. am probably going towards the 3930k01:36
akshaysthhmmm01:36
zodiakif you use ubuntu12.04 or fedora 16 and devstack .. it's LAUGHABLY simple01:36
akshaysthpicked it up from a datacenter closing down01:36
akshaysthok01:36
zodiakthings get hard when you try to get 'fancy'01:36
akshaysthhaha01:36
zodiak(no offense meant)01:36
akshaysthaint that the truth :)01:36
akshaysthpossible to run devstack on a vm?01:37
akshaysthi just want to try it out right now01:38
akshaysthif there's minimal hassles in getting it up and running then i can wipe the whole server and redo01:38
zodiakwell.. yes.. of course01:38
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zodiakyou can use vbox if you want01:38
zodiakbut then you are limited to kvm/qemu01:38
akshaysthkvm?01:38
zodiakthat maybe not a problem for you01:38
akshaysthright01:39
zodiakdepends if you need windows HVM's or not01:39
akshaysthnah01:39
zodiakthen kvm should be plenty fine01:39
akshaysthi try to steer miles away from it01:39
akshaysthok cool01:39
* akshaysth punches keys01:39
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zodiakI should be around for the next while, but, honestly, devstack and fedora16 or ubuntu 12.0401:40
zodiakdone01:40
akshaysthooohh what luck...i've got a fresh fed16 vm sitting and doing nothing :D01:40
akshaysthcool01:40
akshaysthwhat's the diff between using devstack and doing a fresh openstack install?01:40
akshaysthother than its simpler01:41
akshaysthwhat is it missing is what im trying to get at01:41
zodiaknothing01:41
zodiakdevstack was written by developers to get a stack up quickly01:41
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akshaysthahh01:41
zodiakit's not persistent between reboots.. for that you want crowbar01:41
zodiakbut I would say start with devstack01:41
akshaysthhmm01:41
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akshaysthzodiak: thanks for your help i'll play around with this and see if i get anywhere :) thanks again01:45
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zodiakno worries01:46
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zodiakman.. conky looks pretty sweet after playing around with it a bit and some lua01:50
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1054412 in keystone "keystone database schemas should use utf8 character set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105441202:06
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1054459 in openstack-manuals "Update glance configuration files and option references for Folsom" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105445906:46
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openstack-testhii06:58
openstack-testmy naova manage service list is not getting updated06:59
openstack-testits status is showing XXX istead of :)06:59
openstack-testcan u please help me out06:59
openstack-test?06:59
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openstack-testmy naova manage service list is not getting updated07:01
openstack-testits status howing XXX instead of :)07:01
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troyahi everyone07:49
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troyaanyone here have try juju pn openstack ?07:52
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troyaanyone here?07:55
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troya?08:00
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1054501 in openstack-common "Fail safe wsgi logging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105450109:16
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wooreahi11:49
wooreaanybody has installed openstack in a nat network?11:50
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shriihey guys12:55
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shriiany body using DELL R 720 for openstack cloud ?12:55
shriiany body using DELL R 720 for openstack cloud ?12:56
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troyahi all14:38
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troyaayone here have try deployment juju on openstack instances ?14:42
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spydmobileHi, I would like to know if OpenStack allows you to pool together all the comupters you have into a large pool of it resources from which you can provision VMs whichrun on a raid like undersystem?15:04
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cryptkhello all, running into a bit of a snag, I have OpenStack creating VM's almost perfectly on a xenapi system15:22
cryptkthe problem is, it created the VDI's the right size, but it isn't resizing the filesystem to fill it15:22
cryptklooks like it isn't resizing the partition either15:25
cryptkso the VDI is the right size, partition is the size of the image, filesystem is the size of the image15:25
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NuxRocryptk: yes, it's a common problem.. openstack doesn't resize that (unless you go with amazon-type images)15:28
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cryptkNuxRo, not so, I just got it to do it ;)15:46
cryptkI basically just built a tiny instance from my image, manually poked the DB to set auto_disk_config = True15:46
cryptkmade an image of that15:46
cryptkbuilt from that second image and it resized it ;)15:47
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NuxRocryptk: what kind of image do you have?15:52
NuxRothe unpartitioned img type?15:53
cryptknope, it's a VHD15:53
NuxRoI'm not familiar with that one15:53
cryptkNuxRo, a VHD is how XenServer stores it's images15:53
NuxRoaha, ok15:53
cryptkalthough this isn't a XenServer install, but it works the same way15:53
NuxRogot it15:53
cryptkit's Kronos, which is Xapi on a debian distro ;)15:54
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cryptkodd thing though..15:56
cryptkit works if the instance that was snapshotted is still around15:56
cryptkif I delete that instance, but leave the snapshot, it doesn't resize them anymore...15:56
cryptkbut this gives me something to look for now ;)15:56
spydmobilehi folks still trying to get some clarity about OpenStack, once The system is installed, can a stand alone desktop machine with VT be added to the pool easily and does the resources drawn off the pool come from multiple sources (like a raid where things are spread acros physical disks)15:57
zynzelspydmobile: no, this is not possible.15:58
zynzelread about RAM and network throughput15:58
zynzeland then compare them.15:58
spydmobilezynzel: thanks so not like a raid system, so if I then add a machine with a dualcore and 4gigs, it can host a vm or two in the cloud15:59
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spydmobilezynzel: I am writing a brief to manager about how to make use of the hundres of computers that do nothing all winter in our org.16:00
zynzelif you use 1 physical server with 2cpus and 4gigs, cloud solution dont have any sense ;)16:00
NuxRocryptk: can you tell which table/field in nova db you modified?16:00
NuxRoI want to also test it16:00
zynzelspydmobile: look at openstack as normal virtualisation technology+api+scalability16:02
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spydmobilezynzel: thanks, ok, perhaps openstack is not the right solution, I am trying to join 150 computers togehter and make some powerful VMs on it. We have 8 months of the year where the computers do nothing.16:04
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zynzelspydmobile: imho you have wrong assumptions16:05
zynzelyou should change your app/software to use distributed setup (many little nodes do other task)16:06
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spydmobilezynzel: probably you are right, Is my idea even possible?16:06
zynzelspydmobile: dont ever hear about technology which do what you want ;)16:07
zynzelbig computer cluster uses distributed computing16:07
spydmobilezynzel: Thank you. I needed to hear that :D I will find other non-cloud ways to utilize these machines - I will look more into direibuted solutions, thanks for your time!16:08
cryptkNuxRo, inside the nova db, instances table16:08
cryptkcolumn name auto_disk_config16:08
NuxRocryptk: cheers16:09
zynzelspydmobile: no problem, im happy i can help16:09
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zynzelbut maybe there are sollution which allow create 'big virtual computer'16:09
zynzelbut i dont have any idea how to search them :)16:10
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NuxRocryptk: i don't think modifying that actually sets the default so new instances will not benefit from it, there has to be some other place to set this i guess16:11
cryptkwell, it works as long as you make a backup of that instance, and build from that backup16:11
cryptkuntil you delete the instance that the backup was made from16:11
NuxRoaha16:12
cryptkI have decided to just short circuit it in my code16:12
NuxRoyeah, it prolly inherits the current value for the life time of the instance/snapshot16:12
cryptkI added a line that sets instance.auto_disk_config = True just before the check16:12
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cryptkit looks like it is referencing the setting on the original instance rather than the setting on the image16:12
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cryptkadding in that line makes it auto_configure_disks for all instance builds, but that is fine for my uses16:13
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zodiakthe one large computer thing is called a cluster or beowulf (which is a specific type of cluster)16:46
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zynzel"A Beowulf cluster is a computer cluster of what are normally identical, commodity-grade computers networked into a small local area network with libraries and programs installed which allow processing to be shared among them. The result is a high-performance parallel computing cluster from inexpensive personal computer hardware."16:48
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zynzelas i says, cluster uses distributed computing, not 'one big virtual server'.16:48
zodiaksplit that hair really fine16:48
zodiaknote how you used the word 'virtual'16:48
zodiaka cluster IS one giant VIRTUAL server16:48
zynzelzodiak: no it is cluster of computers which compute something in distributed maner16:49
zodiakbeowulf can use MPI to parallelize jobs, sure, but that's what will happen on any large scale technology to get the good performance. it's (in essence) a mapreduce16:49
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zynzelnot ONE big server.16:50
zodiakdefine; one big server16:50
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zodiakcause that implies ONE machine if you want to get pedantic16:50
zynzelzodiak: no for example one virtual machine which have 250 cpus and 1TB ram.16:50
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zynzeland resorces are distributed from many 'hypervisors'.16:51
zodiakffs.. you do realise there is more than one clustering solution, right ?16:51
zynzeland 'beowulf' dont work this way.16:51
zodiakjst cause you (may) have used MPI .. doesn't mean that's the onle way16:51
zodiakonle ? only :)16:51
zodiakit's the most common by far, and beowulf does that the 'best' ergo.. why people say beowulf for clustering16:51
zynzelzodiak: ok, so find solution which can cluster many computer, to act as one.16:52
zodiakhave a look at mosix16:52
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zodiakI ran that (well, openmosix) for a couple of years, and yeah, it's pretty much EXACTLY what you are talking about16:53
zodiakaaww.. it's deprecated/dead .. well .. evolved into linuxmpi16:53
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zynzelzodiak: yeah, mosix can send proccess to other physical machine...16:54
zodiakIn short it means that ten computers are able to work as one large computer; however, there is no master machine, so each machine can be used as an individual workstation.16:54
zodiakwikipedia ftw16:54
zynzelbut still one process cant use ALL cpus from cluster.16:54
zodiakI didn't know openmosix had died .. shame16:54
zodiakyes, it CAN16:54
zodiakIF it's written with parallelism in mind16:55
zodiakeg; folding@home will16:55
zodiakgimp won't16:55
zynzelzodiak: so you ditribute many taks to many physical nodes ;)16:55
zynzelso you dont have 'one big computer' ;)16:55
zodiakno, many chunks16:55
zodiakmapreduce16:55
zodiak*sighs*16:55
zodiakokay, whatever, argue with wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cluster16:56
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zynzeli know what is cluster, and distributed computing. ;)16:58
zynzelbut read spydmobile16:58
zynzel17:5753 <spydmobile> hi folks still trying to get some clarity about OpenStack, once The system is installed, can a stand alone desktop machine with VT be  added to the pool easily and does the resources drawn off the pool come from multiple sources (like a raid where things are spread  acros physical disks)16:58
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zynzelhe want to run smth like as in you example 'gimp' on cluster, without changing application16:59
zynzelhe want to have all resources from cluster on 'one big server'16:59
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zynzelas he says 'raid', application dont know how many disks are under OS, you add new disk, and application can use it17:02
zynzelwithout any work.17:02
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blast_hardcheeseIs Flat Networking just coexisting with the existing network?23:42
blast_hardcheeseI don't need two interfaces configured, nor do I need a separate network; I'd like everything to go through my site-wide DHCP/DNS server, but most tutorials assume you want a multi-NIC setup23:43
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