Thursday, 2012-07-12

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mnasernova stop deletes the vm with xenserver? is there a way to make it just shutdown?00:58
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jesse_Hey there, I'm thinking that setting up a personal cloud infrastructure is a good idea (and a good way to pool the few computers I have around the house) have any of you done this? anyone have a recommendation for a doc or configuration to get started?02:25
jesse_I'm looking at http://wiki.openstack.org/GetOpenStack and http://wiki.openstack.org/InstallInstructions02:25
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marcushi all. if i want to connect to openstack using the api, do i directly connect against nova, or always against keystone (assuming keystone is available)?07:02
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moj0risingHello. I'm having some trouble spinning up my first VM in OpenStack. I get this error in the nova-scheduler log: WARNING nova.scheduler.manager [req-6be4d30b-1282-4b3e-925a-75b970bb3eea  1ded328b317747ce9e650257bd1969b0 383af557531c426e87f8d9288c459f1f] Setting instance 44eb34ec-9d25-4c16-a559-cadf5adf5e8e to ERROR state.07:25
moj0risingCan anyone tell me what eh issue might be? I've checked the docs and Google but haven't found anything applicable to my situation.07:25
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foexleheyho guys08:18
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juduHi09:20
juduJust to now ('cause it's not really explicit): if I use the FlatNetworkManager, can I use the multi_host feature09:21
judu?09:23
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juduAnd beside that, what is the 'host' field in the networks table? When I boot an instance specifying a network uuid, I get an error : "No Host for network" -> What (and how, apart from updating the bdd record) should I put there?09:25
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gongyshi, who can tell me where glance API v2.0 spec is?09:53
ttycorrect me if i am wrong. glance registry, store adapter, glance api and store object belong in the Storage project?09:57
tty#documentation09:57
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tty2. nova api, nova scedulerm, nova compute, nova volume and Queue belong to the Compute project?09:59
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tty3. nova network belongs to the Networking project.?09:59
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ttyso i am right, right?10:06
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ttymaking some last changes at 2 images i made for page7 here. http://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/starter/os-compute-starterguide-trunk.pdf10:09
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ttytrying to color-group the components10:09
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dudou /wc10:16
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foexlejudu: yes you can use HA feature with multi_host10:23
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foexletty: 1) yes, 2) yes, 3) no :) .... networking, vnc and so on its all "nova". But melange and quantum are the "advanced" network projects for openstack10:26
ttyfoexle: thanks ;)10:28
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ttyi didn't put a license on these two images? should I? I need no copyright.10:33
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ttydarn. every image on the docs by this csscorp thing is missing.11:06
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ttyanyway if anyone thinks i should mark somehow the images as copyrighted or cc-licensed or gel-licensed let me know.11:12
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ttybtw if anyone here has some authority on how comments appear on the online documentation consider of changing the discuss theme of the commenting system to a more minimal design. i think there is a much better theme than the one currently used.11:14
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ttycc: annegentle11:15
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ttybtw the images mentioned before relate to #bug 101556111:20
_ettty: link?11:20
tty_et: link to what? the comments?11:20
ttyor the bug?11:20
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_ettty: the bug11:21
ttyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstackbook/+bug/101556111:21
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_ettty: George Tsiolis has recommended some diagrams that put me to shame :P11:25
tty_et: why is that so?11:25
_etbecause they're super awesome compared to mine..11:26
tty_et: heh. thanks ;)11:26
_ettty: that is you??11:26
ttyyes. :P11:27
_ettty:  dude, you've got some skills!11:27
_etand creativity..11:27
_ettty: license? vector source?11:27
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ttywell, i don't mind about license. that's why i asked if it is required to license them CC or GPL.11:29
_ettty: If you have the SVG's you can Public Domain them and put them on openclipart repos.11:30
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_ettty: if you want attribution, go for free-art license or CC_BY11:30
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_ettty: www.artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/11:31
_ettty: BTW, I can vectorize them if you want11:32
judufoexle: I'm trying to manage a 2 hosts openstack cluster, with multi_host and FlatManager (NOT FlatDHCPManager). On the host that is only running compute and network, the services run well, but the nova-manager keeps telling me that they are 'XXX' instead of ':-)'. I don't see anything in the logs…11:32
juduWhere should I look to know why nova-manager sees them as down.11:33
tty_et: at the moment what I mind about is having a decent online openstack documentation without missing images :P11:36
_ettty: I know.. I thought I'd just sit my ass down, stop being lazy and refactor the content.11:37
foexlejudu: check you nova.conf on your compute node11:37
judufoexle: check it for what ?11:37
foexleit seems the compute node can't tell with rabbitmq and nova api11:37
foexleyou get only :-) if the compute node sends an alive signal. Check your logs on the compute node11:38
foexleyou will find the issue there11:38
foexlejudu: do you have run on both machines nova-network ?11:39
juduI have two compute node: one on the same host as nova-api, scheduler and all, and the (not working) one on the other host. In the logs of the latter one, I get the "Connected to AMQP on host 192.168.0.28"11:40
foexlejudu: and nova-compute11:40
foexleand you have only one AMQP server ? :)11:40
judufoexle: I'm trying to use multi_host. The docs tells me that I need nova-network running on all compute nodes for that.11:40
foexlejudu: yeah thats right ... if you use more then one network-manager11:41
juduI have only one AMQP server, and nova-compute tells me the same (connected to amqp server…)11:41
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judu"if you use more then one network-manager" -> Which means ?11:41
foexlejudu: nova-network on both machines ?11:41
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foexlejudu: are all services in "xxx" on the 2. machine ?11:42
foexle+state11:42
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juduYep, the compute and the network one.11:42
foexlejudu: check your database connection ... do you have grant permissions for the db user and host ?11:43
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foexlejudu: rabbitmq = ok, database-connection = ?, nova-api-communication = ?11:43
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foexleall these things you will need to run a service and correct configured network :D11:44
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judufoexle: How do I check the database connection inside the compute/network service ?11:45
foexlejudo: mysql -p -u "dbuser" -h "host" ;) from the 2. host11:46
juduOk, that works11:46
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foexlewhere is the db running ? on host 1 ?11:46
juduand for nova-api? What endpoint should I curl?11:46
juduYep, on host 1, and I reach it.11:47
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foexlehttp://<ip>:8773/services/Cloud11:47
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foexleor https whatever11:47
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foexlehow do you have configured your mysql connection on the 2. host ?11:48
foexlein nova.conf ?11:48
juduIt's a postgres, and it's the same as on the first host : --sql_connection=postgresql://foo:bar@192.168.0.28/nova11:49
judu(where .28 is the ip of the first host)11:49
judu(from the host 1. I access the database by the same ip (the "external" one)11:49
judu)11:49
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foexlejudu: hmm hmm ... can you post your config in gist or pastebin ? and please anonymized ;)11:54
foexlefrom the 2. host11:54
juduNot a problem. I just read that I need the nova-api service running on each compute node to have the multi_host. Does that mean that I need to set the ec2_url on node 2. to the node 2. url?11:56
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foexlejudu: you need only the complete nova-api stack on one machine ... the 2. host (only comute and network) needs only nova-api-metadata11:57
foexlejudu: yes the ec2_url mus set on all hosts11:58
foexle+t11:58
judufoexle: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RDWsWFF611:59
juduSo on the node 1. I set the --enabled_apis to everything I need, and just metadata on the host 2..12:00
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foexleec2_url should be the public url, ec2_host the same; do you have warnings/crits or errors in your log (2. host) ?12:05
foexlejudu: add --verbose in your nova.conf12:06
judufoexle: in the compute logs?12:06
foexlejudu: compute and network12:06
juduOk12:07
tty_et: i don't mind about vectorizing at the moment. i ll think about it. Note: I used some icons i ve bought in the past. as for the license, as long as nothing specific is required by the parent project (openstack) i don't mind whether the license is GPL, CC or Beerware or sth. that's why i asked if there is a suggested license for the images at docs.openstack.org12:07
judufoexle: the public url, but the url of which API? the metadata one running on the same host, on the main api?12:08
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foexlejudu: you need only metadata to boot UCI instances12:13
foexlejudu: and the "complete" api to manage your cloud12:14
foexleso the ec2_url must map to the main api server12:14
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hugokuo2Why that so many arp_cache usage in Swift Storage node ?12:15
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_ettty: ok.12:16
juduOk12:19
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_ettty: thx. gotta go.12:22
foexlejudu: UEC images ... sry12:22
tty_et: cu around ;)12:22
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judufoexle: I get nothing but debug and info in the logs…12:24
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alex88hi guys, if i configure shared storage for virtual machines to enable HA, is possible to store some vm in the shared storage and some on a non shared one? to some can be HA others not?12:26
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foexlejudu: thats strange ... normally you will get any message like "can't connect" or "can't update" or something like this12:27
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foexlealex88: what you mean with shared storage ? .... you boot your vms from iscsi ?12:28
alex88foexle: yup, that's what i mean, to use live migration etc12:28
alex88but i want if it's possible to use vm also on host disk, because i don't need all vm to be live migrated and i have much more space on hosts12:29
foexlehmmm so you have different base-settings on compute nodes .... i'm not sure if you can overwrite this in the database12:29
alex88foexle: i'm just building up, still thinking if that's possible12:30
judufoexle: Yep, that's why I'm here. I get "Connected to AMQP server on 192.168.0.28:5672" in both network and compute logs.12:30
foexleif not, you can take a look to "regions"12:30
juduBut manage still tells me they are down12:30
alex88foexle: like?12:30
alex88different clouds?12:31
foexleip addr show ... all ip settings are right ? no double ip's in your network or double mac's ?12:31
foexlealex88: yeah .... not complete cloud stacks different compute hosts, with diefferent settings .... maybe creating vm in region1 => iscsi boot, regon2 => normally boot12:32
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alex88foexle: no way to do one same hosts? i've only 3 machines12:33
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foexlealex88: "no way" .... i wouldn't say NO WAY ;) .... but dont know an other way ... i'm sorry. Maybe an other guy here :) or write to the mailing list12:34
alex88thanks foexle ;) i'll try that :)12:35
foexlealex88: ur welcome :) good luck12:35
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judufoexle: No same mac or addresses…12:39
foexlehmmm wtf ... and the communication between two hosts are working ? .... have no more idea12:40
juduYep, they both ping the other one12:41
juduThat's why I was here the first time ;) no more idea…12:42
juduI have regular "nova.compute.manager [-] Updating host status" in compute logs, but nothing changes in the manage service list12:43
judufoexle: by the way, is the service status stored in the database?12:44
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judu'cause I have a "disabled" in the services table (everything is false). Is that it?12:44
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juduOh f*** I think I found!12:45
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juduThe host 2. is like 2 minutes ahead host 1.12:46
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juducause it's like 14:46 on host 1, and in the database the host 2. services are last_updated at 14:48 >_<12:49
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foexlejudu:  -.- :)12:50
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foexleyeah ntp are importent in a distribute system12:50
melmothanyone knows wich doc to read to understand what roles are in keystone ? Wich one are mandatory, optionnal and how are they associated with privileges ?12:50
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annegentlemelmoth: from http://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/keystone-concepts.html, "It is up to individual services such as the Compute service and Image service to assign meaning to these roles. As far as the Identity service is concerned, a role is simply a name."13:01
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annegentlemelmoth: that document gives you an idea of roles you could have13:02
annegentlemelmoth: meaning is set in /etc/nova/policy.json13:02
judufoexle: thanks for supporting me ;)13:02
melmothannegentle i saw this doc, but still am puzzled.13:02
melmoththen i found https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg11536.html13:02
melmothand it s the first time i hear about policy.json13:03
annegentlemelmoth: Lorin wrote the above doc and that mailing list message13:03
melmothwich seems to be where the role are defined. I happen to have several such file on my manager node.13:03
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juduWhile you're here, I have another question: in the networks table what is the "host" record? When I try to boot an instance with --nic net-id=<my network uuid> I get the " Host is not set to the network (2)."13:04
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foexlejudu: if you don't set a host on startup then will set this the scheduler13:12
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melmothannegentle, ahah; the doc you mentionned makes much more sense to me when i read it to the end :)13:16
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foexlei'm looking for an nfs pro :(13:18
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dm255029We have 1 nova node working correctly with networking, when I copy that nova.conf to the second nova node and add the parameter network_host = x.x.x.x the br100 on the second node doesn't get an IP but the guests created on the second node get an ip but are not pingable.13:36
dm255029Are there any reasons for this or any clear documentation on this?13:37
GiBahey guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR OPENSTACK!!! it rocks!13:37
alex88glance is required only for storing images right? how much space would you reserve for it in a 3tb hdd?13:38
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dm255029alex88: that depends how big your images and snapshots are going to be13:38
dm255029We have 1.2 TB for images and snapshots and we are starting with 6 nodes13:39
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alex88dm255029: so for one node with just templates, 10gb is enough13:39
dm255029I think so, images are usually around 1g depending on how you build them or where you get them.13:39
dm255029Ours are larger since we are building full baseline deployments and snapshoting them13:40
dm255029Does anyone have any insight on my networking issue?13:42
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foexlealex88: my images are stored in s313:43
foexlesorry13:43
foexleswift ;)13:44
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dm255029We didn't use switf because of the hardware requirements, we will implement later.13:44
alex88foexle: yeh i know it's also possible that, but we're not going to use swift actually13:44
foexleah ok :)13:44
alex88just because i don't want to setup it just to store glance images :D13:45
foexleyeah .... the right choice :)13:46
alex88someone will be here? http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/schedule/detail/2356613:46
alex88will it be streamed?13:46
foexleother side of the atlantic :)13:47
alex88foexle: same for me :) but i just asked myself, how can i view it? :)13:47
alex88it would be interesting13:48
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nymoushello. i have a question about cloudpipe14:35
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nymouscan i use it in flat network environment without dedicated ip for it's virtual machine?14:36
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alex88ohh finally a script to setup tenants users etc :D14:39
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alex88http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/setting-up-tenants-users-and-roles.html should i run both sample_data.sh and keystone-init.py? or just one of those?14:40
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heraclidestupid question : is it possible to add volume to a VM which is out of /var/lib/nova/instances ? For example, let's say I need to add a 1Tb volume to a VM, and the only way I can do it is by adding a hard-drive to HyperVisor, would it work ?14:55
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dm255029Repost: We have 1 nova node working correctly with networking, when I copy that nova.conf to the second nova node and add the parameter network_host = x.x.x.x the br100 on the second node doesn't get an IP but the guests created on the second node get an ip but are not pingable.14:59
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nymousdm255029: i've used to flush fixed_ips and recreate the network entry to overcome this issue15:04
nymousdunno if there is any other solution15:04
dm255029We don't have any fixed IPs15:05
dm255029What defines what IP br100 will get on node 2?15:05
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nymousit should be dhcp or something. it uses fixed_ips entries to store actual leases15:06
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nymousi'm not sure, because i'm new to openstack, but it looks like15:07
dm255029ok I will try recreating the network15:07
nymousi'm not sure if it would help, better try to release stale leases15:08
nymousi didn't find any good solution for that except editing database by hand(15:08
nymousi've also added force dhcp release to my conf15:09
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nymouscan anyone help with vnc settings?15:22
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gongyshi, who can tell me where glance API v2.0 spec is?15:23
nymousi have installed novnc and add options to nova.conf15:25
nymousi've restarted compute on all hosts15:25
nymousbut it says dashboard says can't connect15:25
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halfssis there anyone deploy openstack in  ubuntu12.04? the bridge nic has droped many packets15:26
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nymoushttp://paste.openstack.org/show/19366/ my conf bits15:29
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nymousshould i restart libvirt or edit some more confs?15:31
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nymousok, i managed to fix vnc :-/15:50
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Dieterbeguys/girls, i'm confused by the replication.  i read the documentation a few times, and i find descriptions of how the ring is divided in partitions, and each partition is replicated N (default 3) times to so called replicas. if i understand correctly (but even that i'm not sure) you can have more replicas than you have zones (correct ?)17:26
Mathcorrect17:26
Dieterbeand if replication level = 3, and a drive on a node fails, a 3rd replica must be created on some other node right? somebody told me here earlier that doesn't happen17:27
Mathno, it doesn't17:28
Dieterbethe doc uses terminology like "choose an alternate node".. but doesn't say how this relates to replicas or zones17:28
Dieterbeso if a drive fails, objects hosted on that drive will only be replicated once?17:29
Dieterbeerr. twice17:29
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Dieterbeand if another drive that hosts that specific partition fails, objects of that partition are only available in 1 place anymore17:29
Maththen it is really time you start changing your drives for good ones17:30
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Maththere is an rsync deamon running in the backend. I don't know if it rebalances everything or recreate the replica when you cahnge the drive.17:31
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dm255029nymous: how did you fix vnc?17:46
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nymousdm255029: i had wrong vncserver_proxyclient_address17:48
nymousit should point to node's private network ip17:49
nymousi've set it to controller host... and it was the cause17:49
dm255029so the br100 address or the nic address for br100?17:49
nymousi've used private eth ip17:50
dm255029Ok I will try, thanks!17:50
nymousseems like this info is sent to controller, so it is used to connect proxy to the correct node17:51
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nymousdon't forget to set vncserver_listen to listen the correct interface or 0.0.0.0 if you behind the hardware firewall17:52
dm255029What about the novncproxy_base_url and xvpncproxy_base_url ?17:52
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dm255029nymous: What are they set to?17:57
nymousnovncproxy_base_url = http://x.x.x.x:6080/vnc_auto.html17:58
nymousxvpvncproxy_base_url = http://x.x.x.x:6081/console17:58
dm255029Which ip though17:58
nymousx.x.x.x is the public ip of the host there this proxies are running17:58
dm255029ok thanks17:58
nymousit could be FDQN hostname also17:59
nymousif this node has one17:59
nymous*FQDN17:59
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dm255029Trying it now, thanks18:01
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nymousthis link will be used in iframe in dashboard, so18:02
dm255029Still doesn't work18:04
viet_Hi. I'm looking for some help with devstack. Is this the right channel?18:04
dm255029I can never get a connection on 6068018:04
dm2550296081 I can but the token never works.18:04
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rcreaseyhow do i remove a host from the nova aggregate?  one of my cloud blades died and i want to rebuild it18:31
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rcreaseyor maybe I'm using the wrong terminology18:56
rcreaseyhow do i remove a host from a nova pool?18:56
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jtranrcreasey, i believe nova-manage help service18:59
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jtrannova-manage service disable18:59
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rcreaseyaha, thanks19:06
rcreaseybut that just disables it19:08
rcreaseyI want to totally remove that host19:08
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jtranrcreasey, that's a good question.  i'm guessing db manipulation but checking19:22
jtranrcreasey, ya i confirmed it has to be done thru db19:23
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liemmnTo use Swift formpost, do I need to use tempurl to generate the urls?19:37
liemmn(sorry for the noob question on formpost)19:38
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BLZbubba_ok i'm trying to investigate a reboot that happened at 6:47 this morning. there is an audit of the request19:53
BLZbubba_but the first entry of this request is in the nova-network log file19:53
BLZbubba_06:46:54 AUDIT nova.compute.manager [req-41b77e37-2b31-4392-a020-96de39580675 None None] Rebooting instance 155dcf68-48c5-4e8b-9680-35b05968e24619:54
BLZbubba_how do I track this request back to see where it came from?19:54
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notmynameliemmn: yes20:05
notmynameliemmn: well, assuming you don't have open access to everything in your cluster20:05
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nymousi do not have dedicated storage subsystem in my current install, only discs on the compute nodes (~15 nodes). i wish to share data across the compute field in most reliable manner, so crashing of a node wouldn't cause data loss. can you suggest me what to use in my case?20:08
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nymousi mean, physical node dies completely, even disc. whatever, i just add another, start new virtual instances and they catch up data before fail20:11
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nymousi'm thinking about swift, ceph or sheepdog. other options are lustre, gfs2 and store all data locally and rsync other night20:13
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notmynamenymous: are you looking for block storage or shared storage or simply something to hold the images of each instance (eg backups)?20:14
nymouscurrently, i need to "backup" data, produced by VMs20:16
nymousVM backup by itself would be good too20:16
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nymousshared storage might be a good option to have, to let several instances work together... but it's not mandatory right now20:18
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BLZbubbanymous: are you more worried about equipment failure, or do you need the ability to go back in time20:50
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nymousequip failure20:50
BLZbubbaok that is a much easier problem to deal with20:51
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notmynamenymous: (sorry, didn't see your response until now). if you are using nova, then glance + swift would probably meet your needs20:51
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BLZbubbafor my lab setup i have two linux nfs servers20:51
BLZbubbawith drbd and a floating IP address20:52
BLZbubbaso if one dies you can switch to the other and not lose anything20:52
BLZbubbathe trickiest part of failover so far is that each compute node stores some local libvirt files so it is a pain to bring up on a new machine20:53
BLZbubbabut that should be relatively easy to figure out20:53
nymousmy employer wish to have cheapest private cloud ever, but it should have insane reliability >_<20:53
BLZbubbaheh yeah that is always the trade off20:53
nymousi though drbd is for 2 device setup only20:54
nymous*thought20:54
BLZbubbayeah i have 2 nfs servers, one is the real one and the other is in case the first one goes titsup20:54
BLZbubbajust linux machines with a few sas disks and kernel nfs20:55
erkulesmoin going to play with openstack. http://devstack.org/ looks like a good starting point. I would like to run it in kvm. There is no 'minimal' storage-requirements. Are there some tips?20:55
BLZbubbaseems to do a good job so far20:55
nymousnotmyname: i've read swift uses local system + rsyncd. should it be more reliable than ceph?20:55
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BLZbubbahow much data do you have?20:56
BLZbubbarsync is a pain with big files20:56
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BLZbubbai have been happy with glance except for some NBD issues20:56
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nymousi can't say right now(20:57
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notmynamenymous: swift is a lot more than "local system + rsyncd" :-)20:58
BLZbubbawell you should start simple, swift is probably overkill20:58
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nymoussimplest solution is "local system + rsyncd"20:58
nymousi was looking into ceph, because it is said to be swift compatible20:59
BLZbubbahave you set up and tried openstack yet?21:00
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nymousyes, i have it running21:00
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BLZbubbaok21:01
notmynamenymous: what is ceph getting you that you don't get with swift?21:01
BLZbubbai guess it depends on how much time you can have for recovery21:01
Glaceenotmyname: block storage on top with rbd ;)21:02
nymousi've used to run ibm gpfs on ~200 node cluster and it was cool >_< but not gonna happen in my current case21:02
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BLZbubbaeasiest would be glance for images & snapshots and just copy those files over regularly21:02
BLZbubbaand snapshot vms regularly21:02
notmynameGlacee: ya, I know they have block storage, but that doesn't sound like a requirement here :-)21:02
BLZbubbaor else drbd if you need  up to the minute backups21:02
Glaceethats the only advantage I would see so far notmyname, swift seems faster and more performant for objects store.. I am not sure you can do replications based on AZ in ceph21:03
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nymousit doesn't have FS front-end, afaik21:03
nymoushey, another question... can i use cloudpipe in flat network mode?21:05
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nymousi do not have any free public ips except for controller node one21:06
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nymousi have a working image of it, but dunno what to do next21:08
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liemmnThanks, notmyname... So, where would my tempurl go in the form?  In the swift_url action or in the name of each file to be uploaded?  Do I need a separate tempurl for each file I want to upload in the form?  I think an example here would be awesome.22:03
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notmynameliemmn: I've got an email I need to respond to that asks the exact same question. let me see if I can put together a quick example and kill 2 birds with 1 stone22:04
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liemmnThanks much, notmyname22:05
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notmynameliemmn: have you read http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/misc.html#module-swift.common.middleware.formpost?22:14
notmynameliemmn: so I may have told you wrong. I don't think tempurl is required for formpost, but they just do similar things22:15
notmynameliemmn: heh, I think the email I have is actually from you :-)22:16
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liemmnnotmyname:  yes, I sent you an email on it too :)22:21
liemmnsorry22:21
notmynameliemmn: so let's work on it in here.22:22
liemmnok, looking at the code, it does not appear to require tempurl urls, yet the release notes mentioned using tempurl urls for the target url... I think that's the source of confusion for me.22:23
liemmn"The new formpost and tempurl middleware modules allow a swift user to create a URL with write access and then use that URL as the target of an HTML form POST"... My bad interpretation then.22:23
liemmnhttp://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Essex22:23
notmynameliemmn: looks like I worded that poorly22:24
liemmnnotmyname... No  problem... Thanks again for the clarification...22:24
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binyaminDoes anyone have a really good site for examples of the swift configs?23:13
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binyaminI have swift 90% setup but when I try to auth against keystone .. just pisses on itself.23:13
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