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| FED007 | Hi , anyone here? | 00:20 |
| FED007 | It's Friday...! I can't be the only hardcore geek messing with openstack | 00:22 |
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| epicurus | FED007, you are | 00:31 |
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| FED007 | hey! | 00:43 |
| FED007 | someone is here! | 00:43 |
| FED007 | Vish had wrote an article: http://unchainyourbrain.com/openstack/13-networking-in-nova | 00:44 |
| FED007 | There is an option 2 on that page | 00:44 |
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| FED007 | called "Multi NIC | 00:44 |
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| FED007 | does anyone know the procedure for me to bridge multiple NICs into a VM? | 00:45 |
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| FED007 | Is there like a secret password to get a response? :) | 01:31 |
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| vishy | FED007: apparently | 01:49 |
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| vishy | FED007: if you define multiple networks, you should get multiple nics in your vm | 01:49 |
| FED007 | Hi Vish! | 01:49 |
| FED007 | so Is it as simple as adding new bridge entries in the netwroks table? | 01:50 |
| FED007 | (but make sure they exist) | 01:50 |
| FED007 | We have a lagacy VPN router we need to connect to a VM | 01:51 |
| FED007 | legacy | 01:51 |
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| FED007 | Also what happens for the default gateway? does it default to the first network? | 01:53 |
| FED007 | in a nut shell - I have many physical ETH to spare... my VM has 10.10.100.3 | 01:53 |
| FED007 | I need to use ay ETH7 to connect to 192.168.5.0 | 01:54 |
| FED007 | The 192.168.5.1 is a legacy VPN router so I can;t have nova trying to create a 192.168.5.1 gateway, | 01:55 |
| FED007 | The beauty of this is that I can connect the VM directly to that network - If I can get another Bridge or NIC into the VM | 01:57 |
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| FED007 | sry for the bad typing - brain is mush - fixing with vodka | 01:58 |
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| FED007 | Oh also - if it isn't obvious I would like my VM to have the second NIC to have a 192.168.5.X address | 02:02 |
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| FED007 | where is everybody? | 02:51 |
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| FED007 | ..... | 02:54 |
| FED007 | .... | 02:54 |
| FED007 | ..... | 02:54 |
| FED007 | zzzzzz | 02:54 |
| FED007 | zzzzzz | 02:55 |
| FED007 | ..... | 02:55 |
| FED007 | ... | 02:55 |
| FED007 | is this a sign openstack is dead? | 02:55 |
| FED007 | a subtle cue that it is not a revolution in the making? | 02:56 |
| FED007 | OR diablo release is around the corner :) | 02:56 |
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| tjoy | FED007: it's a sign that you should be out drinking | 03:02 |
| tjoy | ;) | 03:02 |
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| FED007 | no it means I am the only one who will be a billionaire from openstack ;) | 03:18 |
| WormMan | I did my openstack for the week, then I went home | 03:18 |
| FED007 | I do openstack 24/7 | 03:19 |
| FED007 | Its so sweet | 03:19 |
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| bdwarr6 | FED007 deployed any large installs? | 03:22 |
| bdwarr6 | production ones | 03:22 |
| FED007 | I am trying to !!! | 03:22 |
| bdwarr6 | heh | 03:22 |
| bdwarr6 | Im in R&D for it to switch over from our closed source one | 03:22 |
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| rmk | Has anyone been able to get the diablo dashboard working with keystone? | 03:23 |
| bdwarr6 | I've come to find its a beast but there are a few things I just cant figure out | 03:23 |
| rmk | Been trying all day and running into the same problem | 03:23 |
| FED007 | bdwarr6 - we are moving everything to VPN based private cloud.... | 03:24 |
| FED007 | for us and clients | 03:24 |
| FED007 | Really when you think of it, pretty much the whole world of computing will need to transcend | 03:24 |
| FED007 | all the billions spent.... Needs to be spent again! | 03:25 |
| bdwarr6 | Its a revolving cycle | 03:25 |
| bdwarr6 | At least you didnt spend 2 years developing a closed source product :-p | 03:25 |
| FED007 | Also this pretty much solves the pendulum swing of centralized to decentralized too | 03:26 |
| bdwarr6 | Openstack has really hit the ground running thats for sure | 03:26 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah | 03:26 |
| FED007 | ouch | 03:26 |
| bdwarr6 | What are you doing for storage | 03:26 |
| WormMan | we'll be working on blowing up about 100 compute nodes in the next couple months | 03:26 |
| bdwarr6 | My kicker is I havent been able to find anything out for where the vm's are stored | 03:26 |
| FED007 | we are doing nova-volume for now | 03:26 |
| bdwarr6 | thats local lvm? | 03:26 |
| WormMan | (blow up, deploy, same thing) | 03:27 |
| FED007 | yes we are experimenting with NFS/NAS as well | 03:27 |
| bdwarr6 | I breezed through the stackops version to check it out and found its just an lv group on the volume node | 03:27 |
| FED007 | but the networking is the most obscure of it all | 03:27 |
| bdwarr6 | I saw a few things in docs to make glance + switch support vm booting | 03:27 |
| bdwarr6 | Network is pretty easy | 03:27 |
| bdwarr6 | Storage has pretty bad documentation on it well nova-volume does | 03:28 |
| bdwarr6 | I've pretty much gone through every book, white paper and manual I can find for openstack | 03:28 |
| WormMan | well, there is no storage, that's why there's no documentation :) | 03:28 |
| FED007 | what are you saying about the vm boot? | 03:28 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah I know | 03:28 |
| FED007 | lol haha | 03:28 |
| bdwarr6 | but what im saying is there are a few conflicting things | 03:28 |
| FED007 | we have glance... | 03:29 |
| bdwarr6 | there are a few things in blueprint for suggesting boot from glance + swift | 03:29 |
| WormMan | (we're just using instance local, and perhaps NFS for the few VMs like databases that need persistence) | 03:29 |
| bdwarr6 | thats image storage | 03:29 |
| bdwarr6 | nfs performance is junk | 03:29 |
| WormMan | works great for all our existing databases :) | 03:29 |
| FED007 | I suppose it all about how busy the I/O is... | 03:29 |
| bdwarr6 | How much traffic are you pushing over it? | 03:29 |
| WormMan | but we're not silly enough to boot off it | 03:30 |
| FED007 | Ours I can tell will be fine | 03:30 |
| bdwarr6 | Our storage network had 10 +gb | 03:30 |
| WormMan | luckily our clients are all compute bound | 03:30 |
| FED007 | we run on 56K modem links | 03:30 |
| bdwarr6 | ooo | 03:30 |
| bdwarr6 | now thats performance | 03:30 |
| bdwarr6 | v90? | 03:30 |
| FED007 | its reliable | 03:31 |
| FED007 | nah seriously - it seems stable | 03:31 |
| FED007 | you guys lose anyhthing big? | 03:31 |
| FED007 | major cloud crashes...? | 03:31 |
| bdwarr6 | In regards to what | 03:31 |
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| FED007 | corrupted block devices .. anything | 03:32 |
| bdwarr6 | We had our fair share of issues mainly frontend related | 03:32 |
| bdwarr6 | storage none of that | 03:32 |
| FED007 | I am building a new frontend | 03:32 |
| bdwarr6 | blocking issues | 03:32 |
| FED007 | its called "Phat Stacks" | 03:32 |
| FED007 | it bypasses all the security and bullshit and just does the job gangsta style | 03:32 |
| bdwarr6 | Yeah our first web ui did that in a rush to market | 03:33 |
| bdwarr6 | My name went from Nick to Wei Lin in the admin cp in like 2 days | 03:33 |
| FED007 | lol | 03:33 |
| bdwarr6 | How many server deployment are you looking at doing? | 03:34 |
| bdwarr6 | Ive got 4 x dual quad 32gb ram 1 x 1tb and 2 x 12x500gb san with a 40gbps infiniband network in my office as a test mockup | 03:34 |
| FED007 | We are putting about $50K into compute nodes so we are fairly small startup | 03:35 |
| WormMan | $50k, so, 1 server? | 03:35 |
| WormMan | :) | 03:35 |
| bdwarr6 | meh | 03:35 |
| FED007 | lol or many small ones | 03:35 |
| bdwarr6 | I ran into a slew of those dell c6100's at silly cost | 03:35 |
| WormMan | we'll be launching with about 100 old crappy servers, because that's what we have | 03:36 |
| FED007 | If we get this openstack right we will scal phenomenally | 03:36 |
| FED007 | looks like this party starts hopping later... | 03:37 |
| bdwarr6 | I need to bite the bullet and get it installed in the lab | 03:37 |
| WormMan | we're hoping to scale to 3, maybe 4 customers :) | 03:37 |
| FED007 | nice! | 03:37 |
| FED007 | you guys run ayn virtual worlds? | 03:38 |
| FED007 | we are dedicating one node for the online perverts of secondlife | 03:38 |
| bdwarr6 | Not yet | 03:38 |
| bdwarr6 | We're doing a stock broker | 03:38 |
| FED007 | thats cool | 03:38 |
| FED007 | They say porn was responsible for all the great evolutions of the net | 03:39 |
| FED007 | and standards | 03:39 |
| bdwarr6 | let me dig up this proposal | 03:39 |
| WormMan | ours are all customers that our parent company owns, so we don't have to worry about much | 03:39 |
| WormMan | I like not being a public facing hosting company :) | 03:39 |
| FED007 | me neither | 03:39 |
| FED007 | we are private cloud all the way | 03:40 |
| bdwarr6 | lucky | 03:40 |
| FED007 | Our clients want thier trusty hardware VPN firewalls - so we I am trying to figure out the multi bridge NIC into the VM | 03:41 |
| WormMan | ours are already on our network, no VPN to worry about, just horribly complex normal networking :) | 03:41 |
| FED007 | do you guys run Multi-Nics in the VM? | 03:41 |
| bdwarr6 | Ours are simple atm | 03:42 |
| bdwarr6 | 2 1 pub 1 private | 03:42 |
| bdwarr6 | looking to add a 3rd for mgmt | 03:42 |
| WormMan | we've got 1 private, 1 nat public if requested | 03:42 |
| FED007 | what network modes ? | 03:42 |
| FED007 | VLAN Flat? | 03:42 |
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| bdwarr6 | Im stuck on that one | 03:43 |
| WormMan | today FlatDHCP, next month VLAN | 03:43 |
| bdwarr6 | id prefer vlan but we change to much so were gonna have to go flat | 03:43 |
| bdwarr6 | we add / remove between 20 - 50 instances in any given day | 03:43 |
| bdwarr6 | so vlan really isnt an option | 03:43 |
| FED007 | I think with this recent VPN debacle I am going o have to revert to Flat | 03:43 |
| bdwarr6 | What debacle? | 03:44 |
| FED007 | Flat from what I read gives more direct control | 03:44 |
| WormMan | we have to segregate our customers from each other, so, VLANs for everyone! | 03:44 |
| bdwarr6 | you can accomplish that with IPtables | 03:44 |
| bdwarr6 | alot easier to program | 03:44 |
| bdwarr6 | well script | 03:44 |
| FED007 | I agree | 03:44 |
| bdwarr6 | I try to make as few changes on the network gear as I can | 03:45 |
| bdwarr6 | and dam sure wont let a script auto change em | 03:45 |
| bdwarr6 | Use snmp to deploy ciscos but thats about it | 03:45 |
| WormMan | we set the switches up once and we're done | 03:45 |
| bdwarr6 | One Vlan to them? | 03:45 |
| bdwarr6 | orone vlan per port | 03:45 |
| FED007 | I am leaning towards heavier mods on the iptables | 03:45 |
| WormMan | one trunk per port, every vlan gets a tag | 03:45 |
| bdwarr6 | I wish | 03:46 |
| WormMan | we're basically doing it now, but with 'Flat' | 03:46 |
| WormMan | so now we get one public and 1 private vlan on 1 port and physical host management on the other | 03:46 |
| bdwarr6 | atm ive got a legacy cloud, dedicated customers, vps stuff and internal systems all mixed in in 3 locations & 2 countries | 03:46 |
| WormMan | ideally, we'll bond and run all (n) vlans tagged | 03:46 |
| bdwarr6 | Whats your guys thoughts on the 4 or 8 x 1gb vs 10gbit link ups? | 03:47 |
| WormMan | our network guys gave us a bunch of VLANS, all 1 datacenter for the initial zone/cluster | 03:47 |
| WormMan | our hosts can barely saturate 1 :) | 03:48 |
| bdwarr6 | ah | 03:48 |
| bdwarr6 | I need to maintain 200 mb/sec per vm to the storage network | 03:48 |
| bdwarr6 | well burst | 03:48 |
| WormMan | (100 hosts at 2 VM per host, we're calling this 'Pre-Prod') | 03:48 |
| bdwarr6 | maintain probley 70 - 110 | 03:48 |
| WormMan | I'm so glad we have no storage needs :) | 03:48 |
| bdwarr6 | so 200 vm's? | 03:48 |
| bdwarr6 | Weeve got anywhere from 1 to 128 vm's per host | 03:49 |
| bdwarr6 | Im dreading getting hot and heavy into the storage | 03:49 |
| WormMan | up to 200, our actual launch number is in the double digits somewhere | 03:49 |
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| FED007 | you guys are ballin | 03:49 |
| bdwarr6 | I need to find someone thats tried to use IB with the stack | 03:49 |
| bdwarr6 | Ive got a 40 gbit infiniband network I would rather use than shell out for dual 10gbits on it all | 03:50 |
| WormMan | some day we may have a client that wants storage for not-database and not-swift | 03:50 |
| WormMan | but that day is not this year | 03:50 |
| bdwarr6 | just turn them away | 03:50 |
| WormMan | heh | 03:50 |
| bdwarr6 | its not worth it | 03:50 |
| bdwarr6 | Storage is like hell frozen over onto earth | 03:50 |
| WormMan | yea, that doesn't really work, we're trying to win back our internal clients that went to Amazon :) | 03:50 |
| bdwarr6 | Thats funny | 03:50 |
| WormMan | of course, the first way we're doing that is not oversubscribint :) | 03:51 |
| WormMan | and not typing well either | 03:51 |
| bdwarr6 | Im going for a 0.5:! over sub ratio | 03:51 |
| bdwarr6 | .5:1 | 03:51 |
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| bdwarr6 | well | 03:51 |
| bdwarr6 | i cant count | 03:51 |
| WormMan | we may do it for dev, but prod is 1:1 | 03:51 |
| bdwarr6 | 32gb ram 8 cores | 03:51 |
| bdwarr6 | figure 1 -2 gb ram for local node mgmt | 03:52 |
| WormMan | but right now we have plenty of spare crap hardware | 03:52 |
| FED007 | why are you guys freaked out over storage | 03:52 |
| FED007 | ? | 03:52 |
| bdwarr6 | Ill put it this way | 03:52 |
| WormMan | I have no storage problems :) | 03:52 |
| bdwarr6 | How do i say it | 03:52 |
| bdwarr6 | the suggested companies for h/a storage ive already used and they failed | 03:53 |
| bdwarr6 | plus a few others | 03:53 |
| WormMan | maybe 10TB in swift, but that's not really even interesting | 03:53 |
| bdwarr6 | my issue is the uptime | 03:53 |
| bdwarr6 | non locking storage | 03:53 |
| WormMan | its a cloud, you wan't uptime, you're in the wrong place :) | 03:53 |
| FED007 | hmmmmm | 03:53 |
| bdwarr6 | i cant have it lock the failover node to resync | 03:53 |
| bdwarr6 | and alot of them do that | 03:53 |
| bdwarr6 | Oh I'll get it | 03:54 |
| bdwarr6 | Just how im not sure as of yet | 03:54 |
| WormMan | luckily our clients understand the cloud and how data is transient, etc | 03:54 |
| bdwarr6 | I mean Its not needed 100% i just had issues with say | 03:54 |
| WormMan | (except their DB, and Swift/S3) | 03:54 |
| bdwarr6 | example | 03:54 |
| bdwarr6 | you run 2 storage nodes | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | 1 dies | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | it fails over to the other within a minute or so ... perfect | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | well when the failed node comes back up | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | it will lock the second node and resync the data between them ( not using resync but put them back in sync) | 03:55 |
| FED007 | what happens? | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | and that can be a very very long process | 03:55 |
| FED007 | how long? | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | when it locks you cant boot vm's | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | depends how much is written to it | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | prime time peak hours | 03:55 |
| bdwarr6 | maybe 8 hours to fully replicate | 03:56 |
| WormMan | see, this is why I'm not backing VMs on anything except local disk :) | 03:56 |
| bdwarr6 | Ive got some proprietary scaling stuff I need it for | 03:56 |
| bdwarr6 | plus I dont trust local storage | 03:56 |
| WormMan | I never saw any problems like that with netapp, but their non-NFS performance is crap | 03:56 |
| FED007 | yeah I can see the need | 03:56 |
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| WormMan | it's a cloud, instances are disposable :) | 03:56 |
| bdwarr6 | nfs works great its just it doesnt hit my performance needs | 03:57 |
| FED007 | is there a way to locak instance you guys know of so it can;t be terminated | 03:57 |
| WormMan | perhaps the cloud isn't the best solution for you, may I interest you in a nice VMWare+EMC cluster? | 03:57 |
| bdwarr6 | chattr the file system | 03:57 |
| bdwarr6 | if its a single file | 03:57 |
| bdwarr6 | will either do 1 of 2 things | 03:57 |
| bdwarr6 | make it not work | 03:58 |
| bdwarr6 | or do what you want | 03:58 |
| FED007 | my own GUI will handle that | 03:58 |
| bdwarr6 | err let me rephrase that | 03:58 |
| bdwarr6 | what hypervisor | 03:58 |
| FED007 | KVM of course | 03:58 |
| bdwarr6 | time out | 03:59 |
| bdwarr6 | Question on that point | 03:59 |
| bdwarr6 | ever used xen? | 03:59 |
| FED007 | what are you guys doing about image snaphot / instance backups | 03:59 |
| FED007 | ? | 03:59 |
| FED007 | no | 03:59 |
| bdwarr6 | ah | 03:59 |
| WormMan | why would we back up an instance? | 03:59 |
| FED007 | client make changes | 03:59 |
| bdwarr6 | WormMan... are you just crunching numbers? | 03:59 |
| WormMan | (actual database data is on snapshotted/NFS storage) | 03:59 |
| WormMan | our clients don't make changes | 04:00 |
| FED007 | ok so all persistence if off the VM | 04:00 |
| WormMan | they launch an instance, their software deploy tool loads the appropriate software and they run | 04:00 |
| WormMan | if the instance goes away, they click a button and they've got a new one doing that role | 04:00 |
| bdwarr6 | FED how are kvm file systems done | 04:01 |
| bdwarr6 | lvm flat file what? | 04:01 |
| FED007 | we run tomcat java servers on ours | 04:01 |
| WormMan | very very cloud friendly :) | 04:01 |
| FED007 | yes lvm | 04:01 |
| bdwarr6 | if lvm just use lvm snapshots | 04:01 |
| WormMan | these are Ruby On Rails apps | 04:01 |
| FED007 | we are considering all persisted data goes on the volume | 04:01 |
| WormMan | but same idea as tomcat | 04:01 |
| bdwarr6 | but be careful | 04:01 |
| FED007 | making the instance disposable | 04:01 |
| WormMan | we do have other persistent data, it's in swift | 04:02 |
| WormMan | but it's also served directly and not via their webapp | 04:02 |
| bdwarr6 | I wish I I could deploy that | 04:02 |
| bdwarr6 | I wish that was what I had to deploy* | 04:02 |
| FED007 | haha | 04:02 |
| FED007 | yeah its pretty simple | 04:03 |
| WormMan | our customers know the cloud and have written their apps to be cloud friendly :) | 04:03 |
| bdwarr6 | I deal with morons | 04:03 |
| FED007 | but the backup automation will require me to detach the volume first | 04:03 |
| FED007 | from what I read | 04:03 |
| bdwarr6 | take the dumbest mailroom / phone lady you have and subtract 30 iq points | 04:03 |
| FED007 | lol | 04:03 |
| bdwarr6 | fed you can do it live | 04:03 |
| bdwarr6 | use rsync or something else | 04:03 |
| FED007 | thats what I want | 04:04 |
| bdwarr6 | from the live volume and store it in swift | 04:04 |
| FED007 | ahh app wise | 04:04 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah | 04:04 |
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| bdwarr6 | just make an agent | 04:04 |
| FED007 | ok I'll look into that thx | 04:04 |
| bdwarr6 | to back the stuff up then make an instance to stage it on before going into the object store | 04:04 |
| FED007 | What kind of data are you storing in swift? | 04:05 |
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| bdwarr6 | Backups and Templates | 04:05 |
| bdwarr6 | not live backups but customer shuts down and says I want this to be saved type of backup | 04:05 |
| FED007 | ok | 04:06 |
| bdwarr6 | basically my deployment is a clone of rackspace's cloud | 04:06 |
| bdwarr6 | with some differances in how it handles things on the scaling / performance side | 04:06 |
| FED007 | k - I am going to revert my cloud right now | 04:07 |
| FED007 | to FLAT | 04:07 |
| bdwarr6 | My openstack deployment is still in vmware | 04:08 |
| bdwarr6 | LOL | 04:08 |
| FED007 | I wish! | 04:08 |
| FED007 | we need to go production on some VMs | 04:08 |
| bdwarr6 | I mocked up a cloud on the laptop | 04:08 |
| bdwarr6 | oh i wouldnt touch vmware for production just proof of concept | 04:09 |
| bdwarr6 | read the white papers from dell, and a couple universities and went at it | 04:09 |
| FED007 | got any direct links? | 04:09 |
| FED007 | we are using new dells | 04:09 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah | 04:09 |
| FED007 | post em up for the bots to digest! | 04:10 |
| FED007 | feeeeeeeeed the bots | 04:10 |
| bdwarr6 | heh | 04:10 |
| bdwarr6 | lemme find em | 04:10 |
| bdwarr6 | http://i.dell.com/sites/content/business/solutions/engineering-docs/en/Documents/openstack-data-sheet.pdf | 04:10 |
| bdwarr6 | http://i.dell.com/sites/content/shared-content/solutions/en/Documents/dreamhost-openstack-cloud-case-study.pdf | 04:10 |
| FED007 | have you used their crowbar app? | 04:12 |
| bdwarr6 | I downloaded it and looked at it | 04:12 |
| FED007 | I am a command line junkie | 04:13 |
| bdwarr6 | https://marketing.dell.com/Global/FileLib/Cloud/bootstrap-openstack-cloud.pdf | 04:14 |
| FED007 | Ok - I'll be back ... I changed into my openstack super-hero uniform and going to battle the poorly document cloud | 04:14 |
| bdwarr6 | im trying to fidn the good one from a university | 04:14 |
| FED007 | k | 04:16 |
| bdwarr6 | http://salsahpc.indiana.edu/CloudCom2010/slides/PDF/tutorials/OpenStackTutorialIEEECloudCom.pdf | 04:17 |
| bdwarr6 | That one is a good look | 04:18 |
| FED007 | hey bdwarr | 04:18 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah | 04:18 |
| FED007 | you mentioned networking is easy:) do you know how I can get two NICs into a VM or at least get the VM to route to a nother subnet? | 04:19 |
| FED007 | I have a physical VPN router I neet to connect to a VM | 04:19 |
| bdwarr6 | its all about your routing table inside the vm, I've personally never used kvm but do you have 2 interfaces showing up inside the vpn | 04:19 |
| WormMan | multi-nic was just added in D3 or D4, but I didn't look at it | 04:19 |
| bdwarr6 | i've done it with openvpn and xen a few times | 04:19 |
| bdwarr6 | and connected the vm to both the pyscical second nic and second virtual one | 04:20 |
| bdwarr6 | lemme get some iptables rules you can play with | 04:20 |
| FED007 | whats D3 D4? | 04:20 |
| WormMan | the Diablo Milestone releases | 04:20 |
| FED007 | Oh maybe thats why I am having issues trying to do this in Cactus | 04:20 |
| WormMan | but any documentation is probably in the code still.... | 04:21 |
| FED007 | do you know how to specify different bridges for VMs? | 04:21 |
| bdwarr6 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.255.255.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE | 04:21 |
| bdwarr6 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING --source 10.255.255.0/24 -d 10.2.2.0/24 -j SNAT --to 10.2.2.11 | 04:21 |
| WormMan | I've read way too much python the last 2 weeks... | 04:21 |
| WormMan | nope, sorry, I haven't even looked at the multi-nic stuff, I was more focused on the pseudo-HA for nova-network | 04:22 |
| bdwarr6 | Thats what Im using to bridge a debian vm to use 2 adapters | 04:22 |
| bdwarr6 | with openvpn | 04:22 |
| bdwarr6 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING --source 10.255.255.0/24 -j SNAT --to 64.79.99.10 | 04:22 |
| bdwarr6 | that one to | 04:22 |
| bdwarr6 | just gotta tell stuff destined for the ip on other nic to use the right interface | 04:22 |
| FED007 | so you get full NAT to the vm | 04:23 |
| FED007 | ok - I play with this a bit | 04:23 |
| bdwarr6 | im assuming you want to | 04:23 |
| bdwarr6 | dial out of the vm with a vpn and let users use it over the net | 04:23 |
| bdwarr6 | or youw ant them to dial in over vpn and use net | 04:23 |
| FED007 | well think about the VM talking through a normal home router | 04:24 |
| FED007 | the hardware is a netgear VPN | 04:24 |
| bdwarr6 | man junk that | 04:24 |
| bdwarr6 | junk it immediatly | 04:24 |
| FED007 | haha | 04:24 |
| tjoy | lol. | 04:24 |
| bdwarr6 | i had the fxv-538 and 5x8 | 04:25 |
| bdwarr6 | 2 different models replaces them with openvpn | 04:25 |
| bdwarr6 | get a cheapo server run raid 1 | 04:25 |
| FED007 | the reviews are terrible | 04:25 |
| bdwarr6 | https://www.enzu.com/scripts/ | 04:25 |
| bdwarr6 | will install openvpn on centos or debian | 04:25 |
| bdwarr6 | you will once more like life | 04:25 |
| tjoy | yeah, you can honestly do better with curbside stuff | 04:26 |
| bdwarr6 | netgear suuuuuuccks | 04:26 |
| bdwarr6 | i picked up a watchguard to | 04:26 |
| tjoy | computer in the dumpster? new vpn endpoint. | 04:26 |
| bdwarr6 | yep | 04:26 |
| bdwarr6 | i picked up an old hp dl360 dual xeon with 4gb ram and 2 x 73gb drives | 04:26 |
| bdwarr6 | runs openvpn like a champ | 04:26 |
| tjoy | throw a cf-ide adapter and a new PSU in, you're good for 4 years | 04:26 |
| bdwarr6 | $150 box | 04:26 |
| bdwarr6 | Man that really brings back bad memories | 04:27 |
| FED007 | yeah - I know , I run openvpn for myself - client wants to standardize... | 04:27 |
| bdwarr6 | standardize on openvpn | 04:28 |
| FED007 | hehe | 04:28 |
| bdwarr6 | i run it in a odd way | 04:28 |
| bdwarr6 | connect to 1 openvpn box dumps you into a private subnet of 4 datacenters for impi | 04:28 |
| tjoy | hacom makes cf images for pfsense, standardize to pfsense. | 04:28 |
| bdwarr6 | I've heard good things on pfsense but never tried it | 04:29 |
| tjoy | they're all true | 04:29 |
| bdwarr6 | I thought it was jsut a firewall | 04:29 |
| tjoy | it's a firewall OS | 04:29 |
| FED007 | you guys ever try endian? | 04:29 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah but it has vpn support? | 04:29 |
| tjoy | you can install any freebsd package | 04:29 |
| bdwarr6 | FED007 never heard of it | 04:29 |
| tjoy | if you like | 04:29 |
| FED007 | apparently and high marks | 04:29 |
| bdwarr6 | really | 04:30 |
| tjoy | there is webGUI support for lots of stuff. snort, openvpn, etc | 04:30 |
| bdwarr6 | tjoy Ill have to add that to my testing list | 04:30 |
| FED007 | http://www.endian.com/en/community/overview/ | 04:30 |
| tjoy | squid | 04:30 |
| bdwarr6 | FED007 That looks like vyatta to me | 04:30 |
| FED007 | I dunno lol | 04:30 |
| tjoy | endian, ipcop, etc, all want to be pfsense | 04:31 |
| FED007 | cool I learned something | 04:31 |
| bdwarr6 | Im a simple guy deb 5 w/ openvpn | 04:31 |
| tjoy | yeah there's something to be said for just throwing shorewall on a debian box | 04:31 |
| bdwarr6 | FED007 check out vyatta they make decent networking stuff just dont try and put more than 100mbps thoughput through it | 04:31 |
| bdwarr6 | will fall on its face | 04:31 |
| FED007 | pfsense web seems down | 04:32 |
| FED007 | HACKED! | 04:32 |
| bdwarr6 | Yeah I noticed that | 04:32 |
| bdwarr6 | Na | 04:32 |
| bdwarr6 | probley hosted in the cloud :-p | 04:32 |
| tjoy | so godaddy had its shared webservers rooted | 04:32 |
| tjoy | this might be fallout from that | 04:32 |
| bdwarr6 | those guys are so stupid | 04:32 |
| tjoy | yeah i'm kind of shocked that pfsense of all groups would let their site go down | 04:33 |
| bdwarr6 | that unlimited drive probley got them on reboot | 04:33 |
| FED007 | private clouds... way of the future | 04:33 |
| bdwarr6 | Yeah, its on our service map | 04:34 |
| bdwarr6 | Ive got a pxe system that will almost deploy a base install of open stack from what I did on vmware | 04:34 |
| bdwarr6 | pretty simple | 04:34 |
| bdwarr6 | just running post boot scripts its making life alot easier in dev | 04:34 |
| tjoy | hm | 04:35 |
| FED007 | I need another martini | 04:36 |
| tjoy | =/ why am i chasing down pfsense.org's host? | 04:36 |
| bdwarr6 | I wish... gotta be up at 1 for a network change over | 04:37 |
| tjoy | i need a life | 04:37 |
| bdwarr6 | its Godaddy | 04:37 |
| bdwarr6 | oh fail | 04:37 |
| bdwarr6 | no | 04:37 |
| tjoy | it is? | 04:37 |
| tjoy | no | 04:37 |
| tjoy | it's bluegrass something | 04:37 |
| bdwarr6 | ill tell u in a second | 04:37 |
| tjoy | and their mail server's down too | 04:37 |
| bdwarr6 | BLUEGRASSNET | 04:37 |
| bdwarr6 | blugrass.net | 04:37 |
| bdwarr6 | http://whois.domaintools.com/69.64.6.21 | 04:37 |
| tjoy | Host nomad.bluegrass.net (69.64.6.218) is up (0.10s latency). | 04:38 |
| tjoy | Host nomad-switch.bluegrass.net (69.64.6.226) is up (0.074s latency). | 04:38 |
| tjoy | Host red-rover.bluegrass.net (69.64.6.142) is up (0.066s latency). | 04:38 |
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| tjoy | Host lists.pfsense.org (69.64.6.5) is up (0.063s latency). | 04:38 |
| bdwarr6 | intodns.com/pfsense.org | 04:38 |
| bdwarr6 | apache is crashed most likely | 04:39 |
| tjoy | Host 69.64.6.21 is up (0.057s latency). | 04:39 |
| tjoy | yup | 04:39 |
| tjoy | :| | 04:40 |
| bdwarr6 | Way to recomend a stellar product tjoy! | 04:40 |
| tjoy | this is what i do for my dayjob and i can't frickin turn it off | 04:40 |
| tjoy | i need alcohol | 04:40 |
| bdwarr6 | Sysadmin? | 04:41 |
| tjoy | i do network testing | 04:41 |
| bdwarr6 | haha | 04:41 |
| bdwarr6 | I bet that could be both awesome and depressing | 04:41 |
| tjoy | it's great, i get extra recognition when stuff is broken | 04:42 |
| bdwarr6 | Meh i try to avoid that | 04:42 |
| tjoy | and free sysadmin tears | 04:42 |
| FED007 | hey you guys wanna see a website I built? | 04:42 |
| bdwarr6 | Only mine comes in the form of 3am phone calls | 04:42 |
| bdwarr6 | sure | 04:42 |
| FED007 | www.fundagram.com | 04:42 |
| FED007 | view it in chorme | 04:43 |
| WormMan | mine scares people :) | 04:43 |
| FED007 | lemme know what you think | 04:43 |
| tjoy | http://www.fundagram.com/servlet/ResourceMapping.RequestController?usecase=MainMenu | 04:43 |
| tjoy | 500 | 04:43 |
| FED007 | what? | 04:43 |
| tjoy | 500. | 04:43 |
| FED007 | let me check | 04:43 |
| tjoy | not you too | 04:43 |
| bdwarr6 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/boot-from-volume | 04:43 |
| tjoy | i'm leaving | 04:43 |
| FED007 | I didn;t post that shit btw | 04:44 |
| FED007 | its an anonymous social network for freaks | 04:45 |
| FED007 | I made $3.00 on advertising last month | 04:46 |
| FED007 | thats a record! | 04:46 |
| tjoy | http://www.fundagram.com/jsp/mobile/screenshots/stash.jpg | 04:46 |
| tjoy | probably nsfw | 04:46 |
| tjoy | and | 04:46 |
| tjoy | i'd be shocked if you didn't post that | 04:46 |
| FED007 | yeah its f'd up we spam'd a couple thousand mayspace losers | 04:47 |
| FED007 | now they are our members | 04:47 |
| FED007 | OK I need my martini | 04:47 |
| FED007 | brb | 04:47 |
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| FED007 | ok - I am back | 04:49 |
| FED007 | does anyone care? | 04:49 |
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| tjoy | no | 04:50 |
| FED007 | go go DIABLO! | 04:50 |
| FED007 | we need to support the team | 04:50 |
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| bdwarr6 | back | 04:51 |
| bdwarr6 | this is going to be a fun night | 04:52 |
| FED007 | yeah we should cause some havoc on some other irc channels | 04:52 |
| bdwarr6 | I wish I had time to do that anymore | 04:52 |
| FED007 | i know its a total blast from the past | 04:53 |
| bdwarr6 | hmm | 04:53 |
| bdwarr6 | i do have a romanian datacenter | 04:53 |
| bdwarr6 | :-D | 04:53 |
| FED007 | lwhat does thta mean? lol | 04:53 |
| B_Night | so I have a question | 04:53 |
| B_Night | did somone has success booting from volume ? | 04:53 |
| bdwarr6 | setup a vpn real quick and go talk via google translator | 04:54 |
| bdwarr6 | Not yet | 04:54 |
| tjoy | not tried it | 04:54 |
| bdwarr6 | I just found the spec for it the other day that I pasted in here was hoping to spark up a convo on it | 04:54 |
| B_Night | I just update to diablo on my test system | 04:54 |
| tjoy | it sounds really cool | 04:54 |
| B_Night | and want to try that as well | 04:54 |
| tjoy | :sigh: | 04:54 |
| tjoy | i might as well spin up some test VMs and try to get something working | 04:55 |
| B_Night | I notice that snapshots finally works so why not the boot from volume | 04:55 |
| tjoy | ... | 04:55 |
| tjoy | nah | 04:55 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah im firing vmware up and gonna get one configured up | 04:55 |
| FED007 | What release was this possible? | 04:55 |
| tjoy | diablo 4 | 04:55 |
| B_Night | diablo 4 | 04:55 |
| tjoy | supposedly | 04:55 |
| bdwarr6 | accepted for diablo | 04:55 |
| tjoy | =/ | 04:56 |
| B_Night | tjoy send me a mail if you succed booting from volume because i have to go to work :( | 04:56 |
| tjoy | oh | 04:56 |
| tjoy | i'm going to be lucky to get something to boot in the first place | 04:56 |
| bdwarr6 | I should stick my vmware images on my blog for people to play with | 04:56 |
| tjoy | i'm still trying to run openstack on 32bit hardware | 04:56 |
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| tjoy | because i'm a masochist | 04:56 |
| B_Night | I also have a working vm but I think my vm is x64 | 04:57 |
| bdwarr6 | I just want to see the performance of it | 04:57 |
| bdwarr6 | mine are all x64 | 04:57 |
| tjoy | yeah if i had more x64 boxes i'd throw my current ones off a roof | 04:57 |
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| B_Night | I can`t see why you can`t use 32 bit systems for openstack | 04:58 |
| B_Night | it should have no issue except | 04:58 |
| tjoy | certain parts of the toolchain were, until ubuntu oneiric, only publicly built for 64bit | 04:58 |
| B_Night | the ram afcourse | 04:58 |
| tjoy | something about the libvirt volumes | 04:58 |
| tjoy | i don't remember | 04:58 |
| tjoy | anyway, anyone with influence (money) already has new hardware so i'm happy to get the scraps i have | 04:59 |
| B_Night | so if you use diablo 4 it should work | 04:59 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah but its a proxy level boot | 04:59 |
| tjoy | yeah i've gotten them all installed, and then i found out i have 0 clue how to configure it | 04:59 |
| B_Night | I just wait for my new test system to be ready soon | 04:59 |
| B_Night | but x64 hardware is very cheap this days | 05:00 |
| tjoy | listen | 05:00 |
| tjoy | if you need a tax break, i should be able to get you a deduction for any x64 hardware you give me | 05:00 |
| bdwarr6 | heh | 05:00 |
| tjoy | that's right, it's an npo | 05:00 |
| B_Night | i understand | 05:01 |
| bdwarr6 | Nothing wrong with that | 05:01 |
| bdwarr6 | where is it tjoy? | 05:01 |
| tjoy | denver, co | 05:01 |
| bdwarr6 | former employer of mine just moved out there and built a dc | 05:02 |
| bdwarr6 | every few years they get rid of excess hardware | 05:02 |
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| bdwarr6 | ill hit them up | 05:02 |
| tjoy | that would really be appreciated | 05:03 |
| bdwarr6 | I just scrapped like 40 1u boxes that are low end but would work | 05:04 |
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| tjoy | yow. what part of the world are you in? | 05:09 |
| bdwarr6 | Indiana | 05:10 |
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| tjoy | fun. it's been nice talking to you, but i can't stay upright any longer | 05:12 |
| bdwarr6 | gnite | 05:12 |
| tjoy | i'll see you around, though, i guess | 05:12 |
| bdwarr6 | I wish I could crash about now | 05:12 |
| bdwarr6 | yeah Ill be in here | 05:12 |
| * tjoy pours a cup of coffee in the keyboard and emails it to you | 05:12 | |
| bdwarr6 | heh | 05:12 |
| bdwarr6 | another hour | 05:12 |
| bdwarr6 | and im out | 05:12 |
| tjoy | well gl | 05:13 |
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| SevenSeconds | /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER SevenSeconds mfrkcmblelkf | 17:07 |
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| saju_m | have any way to submit javascript driven html form using python, like that mechanize module doing ???? | 17:53 |
| HarryBaba | hi | 18:03 |
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| HarryBaba | first timer here, wanted to confirm that this is #openstack, the irc channel for Openstack, http://www.openstack.com | 18:04 |
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| zykes- | HarryBaba: yes | 18:10 |
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| Harcharan | hi | 18:42 |
| Harcharan | what's the development platform of this stack ? Drupal, Java, Ajax... what else is around? | 18:43 |
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| annegentle | It's Python in case anyone asks... | 18:48 |
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| annegentle | Harcharan: ah, you're back. Yup, Python. | 18:48 |
| Harcharan | is that all? | 18:49 |
| Harcharan | Drupal, Java, Ajax, Python? What about Perl, Ruby, PHP, C - anything on those lines? I want to be sure what kind of skillsets our team people would need if we take up this stack for our cloud test bed and further develop it & contribute back | 18:51 |
| Harcharan | we want to use this openstack for our cloud PoC (Proof of Concept) setup | 18:51 |
| Harcharan | I understand that the key for us is support for as many hypervisers and openstack supports most of them | 18:52 |
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| annegentle | well there are language bindings for the REST APIs for other languages. | 18:59 |
| annegentle | but the development is done in Python | 18:59 |
| Harcharan | is the diablo release on time? | 19:12 |
| Harcharan | sep 22? | 19:12 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #852771 in nova "dhcp leases are not released on instance termination" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852771 | 19:23 |
| rmk | I remember reading I needed to do something with openstackx to play nice with the dashboard... | 19:23 |
| rmk | Does anyone have a URL with specifics? | 19:24 |
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| annegentle | rmk: look at https://github.com/cloudbuilders/openstackx but they plan to move everything over | 20:20 |
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| B_Night | Hello guys | 20:28 |
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| B_Night | did anyone has success with booting from volume ? | 20:28 |
| B_Night | I try to do this but I recieve error | 20:28 |
| B_Night | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/euca2ools/__init__.py", line 1469, in parse_block_device_args block_dev_type.size = int(value_parts[1]) ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' | 20:28 |
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| B_Night | I found the issue I need a new version of euca2ools version 2.0.0 did the job | 20:36 |
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| annegentle | ah good to know B_Night | 20:40 |
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| B_Night | yes now i should figure out how exactly the boot from volume should work ;) | 20:41 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #852830 in nova "Need documentation for Compute API 1.1 extensions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852830 | 20:51 |
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| rmk | What would cause the dashboard to issue 401s for an instance list? I'm guessing it's a keystone permission I am missing? | 21:44 |
| B_Night | Ok I manage to boot from snapshot but looks like I can`t boot from volume | 21:49 |
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| B_Night | Ok I manage to boot from Snapshot but I can`t boot from volume | 22:35 |
| B_Night | looks like the it can`t boot from volume but the issue is that when I boot from snapshot it create new volume from witch I boot but if I want to terminate the instance this volume is deleted so the only think that I can do at the moment is to boot from volume insteate of a disk image | 22:42 |
| B_Night | but can`t see the value in such action if I can`t have persistant storage | 22:42 |
| B_Night | ? | 22:42 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #852891 in nova "libvirt config drive has missing references to user and projec" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852891 | 22:56 |
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