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asdfqwer | does openstack cross over into a lot of the responsibility of the hypervisor | 00:10 |
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asdfqwer | given glance and storage management | 00:10 |
WormMan | in my opinion(very new to openstack), not really, at least for KVM and Xen. It's more of a wrapper | 00:11 |
asdfqwer | i mean, i'm reading through the docs and openstack asserts it requires a hypervisor but is the responsiblity of say something like xen of openstack is interfacing with it | 00:12 |
asdfqwer | ya | 00:12 |
WormMan | it just tells the hypervisor what to do, where the storage lives... you'd do the same with xm/libvirt | 00:12 |
asdfqwer | looks like it just makes deployment easier as well | 00:12 |
asdfqwer | but look at this | 00:13 |
asdfqwer | http://wiki.openstack.org/XenServerDevelopment | 00:13 |
asdfqwer | http://wiki.openstack.org/XenServerDevelopment#Instance_Management | 00:13 |
asdfqwer | preparing images for openstack versus xen is totally different | 00:13 |
WormMan | yea, XenServer(and VMWare) I expect are a bit of a different animal | 00:13 |
WormMan | remember, XenServer is much more of a complete virtualization solution like VMWare than a thin hypervisor like Xen or KVM | 00:14 |
asdfqwer | the intergration is somewhat confusing though | 00:15 |
WormMan | yea, I read that page, my brain hurt | 00:15 |
asdfqwer | especially for hypervisor, I mean it's like you opt out of configuration and delegate it for openstack | 00:15 |
WormMan | luckily, we aren't going to be paying for XenServer here :) | 00:16 |
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asdfqwer | Xen looks like it's still better at handling networking, dns, IPs, etc. | 00:16 |
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asdfqwer | thing is i work in a datacenter | 00:17 |
asdfqwer | i'm not our admin but a developer | 00:17 |
WormMan | it really depends on what you want... as always | 00:17 |
WormMan | I work for a 'hosting company' and we have clients who want a nice API drivable provisioning solution, so we're looking hard at openstack | 00:18 |
asdfqwer | well, we have like 6 shared web hosts, 3 sql servers, dns server, and a few dedicated hosts | 00:18 |
asdfqwer | all running on windows ._. | 00:18 |
WormMan | (they want to move from a public cloud to a semi-private cloud...) | 00:18 |
WormMan | we have about 3000... I think, none running windows :) | 00:19 |
WormMan | (except at corporate, but those don't count) | 00:19 |
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asdfqwer | not to mention all the ColdFusion applications they host | 00:19 |
asdfqwer | I don't see running a bunch of Windows guests as VMs on CF turning out well | 00:19 |
WormMan | depends on what problem you're trying to solve | 00:20 |
asdfqwer | mostly maintence and down time | 00:20 |
asdfqwer | not to mention flexibility | 00:20 |
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WormMan | if you want isolation, and they don't have huge performance needs, it's probably fine. | 00:20 |
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WormMan | but, I don't think openstack is likely the right answer(but maybe that's me) | 00:21 |
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WormMan | something more of a VMWare or XenServer, non-cloud thing may work better | 00:21 |
asdfqwer | yeah but they cheap | 00:21 |
WormMan | heh | 00:21 |
WormMan | well, you can try some of the other front-ends for Xen(or KVM) | 00:21 |
asdfqwer | I mean, if we get a 2-3 shared hosts up and running | 00:22 |
asdfqwer | the problem is migration | 00:22 |
asdfqwer | how are you storing images and what format? | 00:22 |
WormMan | yea, openstack doesn't do that well yet(at all?) KVM can, but I don't know about what friendly tools there are | 00:22 |
asdfqwer | XenServer prefers VDI | 00:23 |
WormMan | we're testing with raw disk, I have no idea what our clients will want to give us | 00:23 |
WormMan | probably something compatible with amazon | 00:23 |
asdfqwer | KVM simple enough? | 00:24 |
WormMan | I personally use KVM to host one windows VM at home, but I have no idea in an enterprise situation | 00:25 |
asdfqwer | is it typical to run hypervisor and openstack (compute) on same machine | 00:25 |
asdfqwer | ya | 00:25 |
WormMan | the nova-compute does run on the hypervisored systems, it manages the hypervisor | 00:26 |
asdfqwer | okay | 00:26 |
asdfqwer | glance and storage are more or less extensions | 00:26 |
asdfqwer | things that can be handled by hypervisor? | 00:26 |
WormMan | and can run on other systems | 00:26 |
WormMan | glance I believe is required, swift is not | 00:26 |
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asdfqwer | WormMan, looks like compute can manage images | 00:31 |
asdfqwer | >There are two methods for managing images. Images can be served through the OpenStack Image Service, a project that is named Glance, or use the nova-objectstore service. | 00:31 |
WormMan | ahh, I've not looked at it | 00:32 |
WormMan | I spent today benchmarking hypervisors :) | 00:32 |
asdfqwer | doesn't sound like fun | 00:32 |
WormMan | necessary evil | 00:32 |
asdfqwer | i take that back | 00:32 |
asdfqwer | what sort of tests? | 00:33 |
WormMan | the not-fun part was trying to actually make Xen 4.1 work | 00:33 |
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WormMan | lmbench for CPU and syscall and memory; iperf for network, and now bonnie++ or iozone for disk | 00:34 |
WormMan | (running on an ubuntu guest) | 00:34 |
asdfqwer | yeah i'm trying to convince co-workers to avoid xen as much as possible, esp. given the fact they think they can integrate it into openstack w/o a hitch | 00:34 |
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WormMan | Xen has definite advantages, it's more mature, and IO definitely seems faster(Network and Disk) which is a high priority for our clients | 00:35 |
WormMan | now, getting it to run is a different story :) | 00:35 |
WormMan | (I've not even looked at the openstack part yet) | 00:36 |
asdfqwer | what version? | 00:40 |
asdfqwer | it's funny cause XenServer 5.6 and XCP 1.0 are using the exact same admin guide | 00:41 |
asdfqwer | http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/5.6.0fp1/1.0/en_gb/reference.html and http://www.xen.org/files/XenCloud/reference.pdf | 00:41 |
WormMan | Xen 4.1(compliled from source, hooked to a hand compiled 2.6.32.40-xen kernel and stuck on ubuntu 10.04 | 00:41 |
WormMan | ) | 00:41 |
WormMan | yea, we're looking at raw Xen, not the packaged stuff like XenServer or XCP | 00:41 |
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asdfqwer | what's difference really? | 00:43 |
asdfqwer | n/m | 00:43 |
asdfqwer | >citrix | 00:43 |
WormMan | packaging, fit, polish, toolsets | 00:43 |
WormMan | and now, time to go home | 00:44 |
asdfqwer | k | 00:44 |
asdfqwer | thanks for input | 00:44 |
asdfqwer | gl | 00:44 |
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jatsrt | 21 | 01:41 |
dsockwell | 17 | 01:41 |
jatsrt | ha | 01:41 |
jatsrt | 42 | 01:41 |
dsockwell | HIKE | 01:41 |
jatsrt | fat fingered that one | 01:41 |
jatsrt | anyone out there able to answer questions about pause/suspend in diablo-1 | 01:42 |
dsockwell | not me, i'm trying to get installed | 01:43 |
jatsrt | stuck? | 01:43 |
dsockwell | not sure how i'm going to interface nova-compute with xe n | 01:43 |
dsockwell | xen | 01:43 |
jatsrt | ahh | 01:43 |
jatsrt | yeah | 01:43 |
jatsrt | seems alot of people trying that | 01:43 |
jatsrt | why not KVM? | 01:44 |
dsockwell | but right now i'm trying to tech ubuntu to multipath | 01:44 |
dsockwell | hardware is too old | 01:44 |
jatsrt | really? | 01:44 |
dsockwell | yes | 01:44 |
jatsrt | I've got some old opterons and xeons running it just fine | 01:44 |
dsockwell | this is a HT P4 | 01:44 |
jatsrt | ahhh, yeah | 01:44 |
dsockwell | yup | 01:44 |
dsockwell | free is good, but it comes with some baggage | 01:45 |
jatsrt | yeah, I used my free non virtaulizable processors for the management stuff | 01:45 |
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dsockwell | yeah | 01:46 |
dsockwell | me too :D | 01:46 |
dsockwell | but i'm also using them for hypervisors, which is Fun | 01:46 |
dsockwell | it seems like bexar had a nova.conf directive to specify the hypervisor, but i'm not seeing it on cactus | 01:47 |
dsockwell | does it think it's smart enough to find out for itself? | 01:47 |
jatsrt | it may be | 01:47 |
dsockwell | my opterons right now are running zfs in the storage server | 01:48 |
jatsrt | DEFINE_string('connection_type', 'libvirt', 'libvirt, xenapi or fake') | 01:48 |
jatsrt | ['hypervisor=xenserver;kvm', 'os=linux;windows'], | 01:48 |
dsockwell | hmmmmm | 01:48 |
dsockwell | where do you see that | 01:48 |
jatsrt | flags.py | 01:48 |
dsockwell | ok | 01:48 |
dsockwell | i'll look at the docs again | 01:49 |
jatsrt | DEFINE_list('zone_capabilities', | 01:49 |
jatsrt | ['hypervisor=xenserver;kvm', 'os=linux;windows'], | 01:49 |
jatsrt | 'Key/Multi-value list representng capabilities of this zone') | 01:49 |
jatsrt | yeah, docs may not be the best, look at the code if you really need to do soemthing :-) | 01:49 |
dsockwell | heh | 01:49 |
dsockwell | noted | 01:49 |
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jatsrt | I'd try connection_type=xenapi in your nova.conf | 01:50 |
dsockwell | xenapi is for xenserver | 01:51 |
dsockwell | i'm thinking it would be libvirt | 01:51 |
jatsrt | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1528/ | 01:51 |
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jatsrt | so libvirt , you may need to change your .... | 01:52 |
dsockwell | i might have to set up libvirt to talk to xen | 01:52 |
dsockwell | that sounds easy enough | 01:52 |
dsockwell | i should start taking notes | 01:52 |
dsockwell | with kvm lots of distributions are dropping official support for xen | 01:53 |
jatsrt | libvirt.xml.template | 01:53 |
dsockwell | which really screws over people with old gear | 01:53 |
dsockwell | looks like i'll have to compile it from source | 01:54 |
dsockwell | i'd switch over to debian but i'd rather compile xen than openstack | 01:54 |
jatsrt | yeah, kvm is simple | 01:54 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #792156 in nova "paramiko not installed in venv, required by smoketests/base.py" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792156 | 01:56 |
jatsrt | dsockwell: may ve as simple as FLAGS.libvirt_type == 'xen' | 01:56 |
dsockwell | neat, thank you | 01:56 |
jatsrt | there are probably people hanging around here that would know for sure, I'm just guessing based on code | 01:56 |
dsockwell | well i appreciate it | 01:56 |
jatsrt | Libvirt domain type. Can be kvm, qemu, uml, xen | 01:57 |
dsockwell | cool! | 01:57 |
jatsrt | so that would just be putting --libvirt_type=xen in the nova.conf | 01:58 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #792170 in swift "Add complete support for HTTP proxies in client.py" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792170 | 02:41 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #792217 in swift "Documentation: Configuration Parameters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792217 | 07:01 |
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shehjart | folks, are openstack instance stores ephemeral or persistent? | 07:03 |
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Razique | Hi all :) | 07:09 |
shehjart | hi Razique, would you know if openstack instance stores are ephemeral,like ec2 or persistent, like vmware esx? | 07:11 |
Razique | his shehjart | 07:11 |
Razique | instances are ephemerals | 07:11 |
Razique | they are persistent thought a reboot | 07:12 |
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Razique | (reboot of instance itfself or reboot of the nova-components), but since you terminate the instance, it is detroyed, and you loose the content into it. | 07:12 |
Razique | You have to attach and EBS volume in order to preserve your datas | 07:13 |
shehjart | i suppose there is some mechanism to sync the instances to disk on a reboot | 07:13 |
shehjart | thanks | 07:13 |
Razique | shehjart: for that you have to create "bootable EBS", which means, your instance is stored on the EBS server | 07:15 |
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shehjart | Razique, is that bootable ebs the default mode when launching an instance? | 07:16 |
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Razique | shehjart: I've not explored that part yet, but I don't think so | 07:18 |
shehjart | ok | 07:18 |
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Razique | there is no such thing as a "default mode", because, to me, it is not the "type" of instance which matter, but where it is stored | 07:20 |
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Razique | I explain : for a classic image, and a EBS, you run them the same way (via euca-run-instance), at that stage, the place where the image is doesn't matter | 07:21 |
Razique | shehjart: but to be honnest, I could be wrong, and glad to be corrected :) | 07:22 |
shehjart | Razique, np, thanks a bunch, it does tell me what else to look for | 07:24 |
Razique | shehjart: :) | 07:24 |
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dsockwell | would openstack play nice with xen 3.3? | 07:49 |
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Razique | Hi all, I'm unable to ping or SSH an instance, here is what I see when I run a euca-get-console-output http://paste.openstack.org/show/1530/ | 08:14 |
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kaz | swift is how get the sent/received information volume? | 09:00 |
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Razique | Hi, I found the solution, it was related to the image I uploaded, for which the network injection didn't work, after I get a new image from http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/20110601/ it's working :) | 09:14 |
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newopen | hi, | 10:32 |
newopen | who can tell me how nova-network works and why it use br100? | 10:32 |
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Razique | When I run an Instance downloaded from Ubuntu EUC images, I've this errors in nova-api.log | 13:01 |
Razique | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1531/ | 13:01 |
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NashTrash | Good morning openstack'ers | 13:01 |
Razique | the UEC repo : http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/20110601/ | 13:01 |
Razique | NashTrash: Hi to you :) | 13:01 |
NashTrash | :) | 13:02 |
NashTrash | I want to delete a nova network and replace it with a different one. | 13:02 |
NashTrash | To be more specific, right now my network is 192.168.51.0/25 and I want to go to 192.168.51.24. | 13:03 |
Razique | Oh I found a question related to my issue : https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/145062 | 13:03 |
NashTrash | Using nova-manage is there a good way to do this or do I just nova-manage network delete and nova-manage network create | 13:03 |
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Razique | NashTrash: Edit your nova.conf and use nova-manage in order to delete the old one and create a new one | 13:04 |
Razique | NashTrash: If the network is attached to a project, you may use nova-manage scrub PROJECT-NAME first | 13:05 |
NashTrash | Ah, the nova-manage scrub is the step I think I am missing | 13:06 |
NashTrash | Razique: Thanks | 13:06 |
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Razique | NashTrash: np | 13:06 |
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thickskin | hi guys. | 13:08 |
Razique | hi thickskin | 13:09 |
thickskin | somebody tell me what is nova-network and nova-schduler. | 13:09 |
Razique | thickskin: have you read some docs on the nova project first or are you totally new ? :D | 13:10 |
thickskin | I`ve already docs.-,.-;; | 13:10 |
thickskin | I`ve already read docs. | 13:11 |
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thickskin | I want to know their achitecture. | 13:14 |
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Razique | thickskin: hang on | 13:16 |
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Razique | thickskin: http://docs.openstack.org/cactus/openstack-compute/admin/content/understanding-the-compute-service-architecture.html | 13:16 |
Razique | does that enlighten you ? | 13:16 |
NashTrash | Ok, I have a new issue now. I just upgraded from \trunk (a couple of weeks old) to the milestone release. I tried to create a VM but am getting an error. See http://paste.openstack.org/show/1532/ for details. | 13:17 |
NashTrash | It is clear that my DB schema has changed. How do I make sure it is up to date? | 13:17 |
NashTrash | Is that nova-manage db sync? | 13:17 |
thickskin | Razique:thank you. | 13:19 |
thickskin | Razique:Can I ask something more? | 13:19 |
thickskin | Razique: I want to know what is this? "Configuring networks for compute nodes" | 13:20 |
NashTrash | Ok, nova-manage db sync seems to have solved that issue, on to the next. | 13:20 |
Razique | NashTrash: thanks for the hint | 13:20 |
Razique | NashTrash: where do you see that ? | 13:21 |
NashTrash | Razique: I found the error in /var/log/nova/nova-api.log | 13:21 |
Razique | NashTrash: sorry, I wanted to ask to thickskin :D | 13:22 |
Razique | NashTrash: thanks though o/ | 13:22 |
Razique | thickskin: the nova-network service creates vlans and briges, handles iptables and ebtables rules | 13:22 |
NashTrash | Ok, so now my instance starts to build, but it fails with an error in the nova-compute node log. Here are the details: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1533. | 13:23 |
Razique | thickskin: I'll comment that part :) | 13:23 |
NashTrash | Not even really sure what the issue is off the top of my head. | 13:23 |
NashTrash | Time to look at code. | 13:23 |
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Razique | NashTrash: what euca-describe-instances shows ? | 13:24 |
Razique | I think I've already had that issue :) let me check | 13:25 |
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Razique | NashTrash: could you paste your nova.conf and ifconfig for the servers | 13:27 |
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thickskin | Razique: how can I check that in my physical node? | 13:27 |
Razique | thickskin: what would you like to check ? | 13:27 |
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thickskin | Razique: if nova-network is worked there is something log. | 13:28 |
Razique | thickskin: if the nova-network installed on the server? | 13:29 |
thickskin | yes. | 13:29 |
Razique | could you paste your nova.conf please ? | 13:29 |
thickskin | wait for a second. | 13:29 |
thickskin | Razique: here is my nova.conf http://pastebin.com/dpN5gdMR | 13:31 |
NashTrash | Razique: No thing. The instance is shutdown | 13:32 |
Razique | thickskin: seems good to me, what is your exact issue by now actually ? | 13:32 |
Razique | NashTrash: ok so it goes in a shutdown step, could you send your nova.conf ? | 13:33 |
thickskin | Razique: thank you for your help. | 13:34 |
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thickskin | Razique: I just want to know basical knoweldge about "nova" | 13:34 |
NashTrash | Razique: I have not changed my nova.conf recently. This problem just started when I updated from ~bzr1050 to the milestone release. | 13:35 |
Razique | thickskin: ok, the first thing you should do i read that guide : http://nova.openstack.org/nova.concepts.html | 13:36 |
NashTrash | Razique: I decided to defer on the network changes for now and first make sure the update worked. Sadly it did not (at least yet). | 13:36 |
Razique | thickskin: dig around the sections, there are well written :) | 13:36 |
Razique | NashTrash: what nova-manage service list returns ? | 13:36 |
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Razique | NashTrash: while you made the upgrade, did you restarted the services ? | 13:38 |
deva | @all , I recently had a problem running nova, installed in RHEL6.1,of DHCP request from VM instance isn't accepted at host machine. It turned out there is no firewall rule is added by openstack(nova) to allow DHCP requests from VM instance at host, although there are rules added to send DHCP replies from host to VM instance. | 13:38 |
larissa | deva: Error: "all" is not a valid command. | 13:38 |
deva | Please let me know if I missed any configuration, or there is any reason for nova not to add such rule | 13:39 |
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NashTrash | Razique: nova-manage service list shows all good | 13:39 |
NashTrash | Razique: And I thought that I had restarted all of the services, but heck, lets try it again. | 13:39 |
thickskin | Razique: thank you for your help. see you next time. | 13:39 |
newopen | who can tell me how nova-network works and why it use br100? | 13:40 |
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deva | @Razique | 13:40 |
larissa | deva: Error: "Razique" is not a valid command. | 13:40 |
deva | Hi anyone aware of my situation ..>? | 13:41 |
Razique | NashTrash: which distro are you running ? | 13:41 |
uvirtbot | New bug: #792367 in nova "OSAPI: v1.1 image create support (serverRef)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792367 | 13:41 |
Razique | deva: don't use the "@ symbol"; it's not a IRC command | 13:42 |
deva | Razique: ok.. please lemme know if you are aware of my situation, that I posted earlier. Do u want me to post again | 13:43 |
Razique | deva: please paste your nova conf and the result of nova-manage service list commande | 13:43 |
deva | --verbose --nodaemon --dhcpbridge_flagfile=/opt/latest_code/latest_hpc/bin/nova.conf --network_manager=nova.network.manager.FlatDHCPManager --my_ip=10.0.1.3 --public_interface= --sql_connection=sqlite:////opt/latest_code/latest_hpc/nova.sqlite --auth_driver=nova.auth.dbdriver.DbDriver --libvirt_type=kvm --fixed_range=10.3.1.0/24 --flat_network_dhcp_start=10.3.1.2 ~ | 13:44 |
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Razique | deva: http://paste.openstack.org/ | 13:44 |
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deva | Paste #1534 | 13:46 |
newopen | who can explain me the role of br100 please? | 13:46 |
Razique | deva: the link is incorrect | 13:46 |
Razique | I can't click it | 13:46 |
Razique | newopen: http://docs.openstack.org/bexar/openstack-compute/admin/content/ch04s02.html | 13:47 |
deva | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1535/ | 13:47 |
deva | please try this | 13:47 |
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Razique | deva: to be honnest, I use the VLAN mode, so not sure about the issue | 13:50 |
newopen | Razique: thanks but it explains how configure networking not how nova-network works | 13:50 |
deva | can you please clear my doubt that I have, whether nova adds a firewall rule to allow DHCP requests from VM instance at host. Like when I installed RHEL6.1, firewall has few rules to drop unauthorised packets.So no DHCP boot requests weren't allowed. | 13:52 |
deva | when I added the rule -A INPUT -i br100 -p udp -m udp --sport 67:68 --dport 67:68 -j ACCEPT | 13:52 |
deva | is started accepting DHCP requests | 13:53 |
kbringard | deva: that rule should be setup by nova | 13:53 |
kbringard | unless there is a bug | 13:53 |
NashTrash | Razique: I am running ubuntu10.04 with the new Diablo-1 milestone release | 13:53 |
NashTrash | Razique: it appears that nova-network is having a problem bringing up dnsmasq | 13:53 |
Razique | NashTrash: how many dnsmask processes do you have ? | 13:54 |
deva | yes, there is rule setup bu nova to allow DHCP replies back to VM instance , but rule to allow DHCP requests isn't added by nova | 13:54 |
Razique | do you see something in nova-network.log ? | 13:54 |
deva | I guess this might be bug, anyone of you can confirm this | 13:54 |
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deva | Or atleast can anyone tell me how to verify whether this is a bug or configuration mistake | 13:56 |
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primeministerp | greetings programs | 13:59 |
primeministerp | hi all just to let everyone know, our hyper-v stack is currently fully functional | 14:00 |
primeministerp | we've got 90 enlightened vm's running on top of 8 nodes | 14:00 |
primeministerp | all linux vms | 14:00 |
deva | Or atleast can anyone tell me how to verify whether this is a bug or configuration mistake | 14:00 |
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Razique | primeministerp1: seems nice :) | 14:01 |
kbringard | deva: unsure, I'm running 2011.3~d2~20110602.1142-0ubuntu0ppa1~maverick1 and it all works for me with no manual intervention | 14:01 |
kbringard | primeministerp: good work | 14:01 |
kbringard | that's cool | 14:01 |
kbringard | maybe it's a RH thing that's not being accounted for in nova | 14:02 |
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deva | does your host machine is protected by firewall with rules in INPUT chain to drop packets that don't match all vaild rules above like this -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited | 14:03 |
deva | my host machine does, | 14:03 |
deva | this is when problem occurs | 14:03 |
deva | what is RH thing? | 14:04 |
kbringard | I meant a redhat thing, since I'm running Ubuntu | 14:04 |
kbringard | but, my default policy is accept | 14:04 |
kbringard | so if you have a default policy of drop, that would likely be your culprit | 14:04 |
deva | No, default policy is ACCEPT | 14:05 |
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kbringard | well sure, but you said you have a rule that drops everything that doesn't match a valid rule | 14:05 |
deva | but as I said the firewall should be opened with rule, -A INPUT -i br100 -p udp -m udp --sport 67:68 --dport 67:68 -j ACCEPT to accept DHCP requests | 14:06 |
kbringard | which is the same thing as having the default policy be drop :-) | 14:06 |
deva | I said about this rule -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited | 14:06 |
kbringard | oh, that's just ICMP | 14:06 |
uvirtbot | New bug: #792388 in nova "Libvirt snapshot causes KeyError: 'architecture'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792388 | 14:06 |
deva | yeah you are right, same as drop . But shudn't nova create a rule to open firewall to allow DHCP requests from VM instance.when host machine is protected with firewall rules like this -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i br100 -p udp -m udp --sport 67:68 --dport 67:68 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A IN | 14:08 |
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deva | Which accepts , ping and SSH packets only | 14:08 |
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deva | for a security of host machine. | 14:09 |
kbringard | yea, that's what I was getting to next, it probably should | 14:09 |
Err404NotFound | OpenStack is for more like Rackspace cloud servers, or EC2. Does it support Rackspace Cloud sites? | 14:09 |
csgeek | I'm a complete noob with openstack.. just wanted to make double check something. OpenStack is installed on top of an existign distro, .. so I can install Ubuntu Server and then install openstack on it.. correct? | 14:10 |
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deva | kbringard: do u aware, if nova does something like that or not | 14:10 |
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Razique | Everytime I launch a new instance, it's unable to get it's metadatas, I'm in VLAN mode, and I've added the iptables rules which makes a DNAT from the 169.254.169.254 to the api server | 14:10 |
jatsrt | csgeek: yes | 14:10 |
kbringard | it doesn't look like it, I don't see a rule that like on my network-controller | 14:10 |
csgeek | jatsrt: sweet.. thanks | 14:10 |
jatsrt | ubuntu is preferred | 14:10 |
deva | then is it bug | 14:11 |
kbringard | Razique: do you have a route that is intercepting it? | 14:11 |
jatsrt | razique: you do not need to do that | 14:11 |
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jatsrt | on your compute nodes add: | 14:11 |
kbringard | i found that if netconfzero was enabled, it would add a route for 169.254.0.0 that was hijacking the IPtables rule | 14:11 |
csgeek | jatsrt: thank yo. | 14:11 |
csgeek | *you | 14:11 |
jatsrt | --ec2_dmz_host=172.16.16.10 | 14:11 |
jatsrt | --ec2_port=8773 | 14:11 |
kbringard | ah, there you go, or do that :-) | 14:11 |
jatsrt | with your host of course | 14:12 |
jatsrt | that will add the correct iptables rule | 14:12 |
Razique | hi jatsrt | 14:12 |
jatsrt | or maybe that is on the network node | 14:12 |
Razique | it did yup, I've already add thses flags yes, but when I check, 0 packets have match that iptable rule | 14:12 |
jatsrt | either way add it everywhere and it should work | 14:12 |
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deva | kbringard: please lemme know if you are chatting with me | 14:12 |
Razique | moreover, I use image from uec-images.ubnutu.com | 14:13 |
kbringard | deva: my comment about not having a rule like that on my network controller was to you | 14:13 |
kbringard | Razique: if you do a netstan -rn do you see a route for 169.254.0.0? | 14:13 |
kbringard | on your compute nodes? | 14:13 |
kbringard | that will hijack the IPtables rule if it's there | 14:14 |
deva | kbringard: could you let me know, if there is any way I can confirm this is something nova is missing, and I can report it | 14:14 |
jatsrt | razique: same setup as me, VLAN, UEC images, multiple nodes, all works fine | 14:14 |
Razique | kbringard: I don't see the route | 14:14 |
Razique | jatsrt: weird thing is that I get a 404 | 14:15 |
kbringard | deva: I really don't know, all I can tell you is that I don't have that rule on mine, so I am guessing it's an oversight and should probably be added to nova | 14:15 |
jatsrt | so I had a similar propblem | 14:15 |
Razique | (not a network unreachable as I had few days ago remember :) ) | 14:15 |
jatsrt | apache was running locally and screwing things up | 14:15 |
jatsrt | uninstall apache | 14:15 |
kbringard | Razique: ah, well that's something different then :-D | 14:15 |
jatsrt | or at least disable it | 14:15 |
Razique | don't Apache used by nova ? | 14:15 |
jatsrt | foudn this on lates ubuntu because server adds a web console by default | 14:16 |
jatsrt | nope | 14:16 |
jatsrt | not that I know of at least | 14:16 |
kbringard | yea, apache gets installed, but my install scripts explicitly remove it | 14:16 |
kbringard | for that exact reason | 14:16 |
Razique | kbringard: you right, nova doens't require Apache, Eucalyptus does! (I'm moving from euca to nova) | 14:17 |
newopen | who can explain me the role of br100 please? | 14:17 |
Razique | so I've apache running on the compute node : | 14:17 |
jatsrt | kill it on compute node and api node | 14:17 |
kbringard | newopen: it is the bridge network device that allows the VMs to access the network | 14:17 |
jatsrt | restart everything | 14:17 |
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kbringard | haha, yea, if you had euca installed you should format and reinstall :-p | 14:17 |
jatsrt | agreed with kbringard | 14:18 |
dsockwell | thirded | 14:18 |
jatsrt | euca makes one hell of a mes of the system | 14:18 |
newopen | so whu nova-network is the gateway? | 14:18 |
Razique | kbringard: ahah :p | 14:18 |
dsockwell | the missiles, fire them | 14:18 |
kbringard | dsockwell: but I am le tired | 14:18 |
dsockwell | well then have a nap | 14:18 |
Razique | well it took me hours to clean it ^^ | 14:18 |
kbringard | dsockwell: but then FIRE ZEE MISSELS! | 14:19 |
kbringard | Razique: | 14:19 |
kbringard | err | 14:19 |
dsockwell | the point is nuke that eucalyptus box | 14:19 |
kbringard | yes, agreed | 14:19 |
kbringard | Razique: you should setup some kind of PXE, if you're going to deploy this to more than a few machines | 14:20 |
jatsrt | razique: a nice clean ubuntu install | 14:20 |
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kbringard | in which case nuking the machine is easy | 14:20 |
jatsrt | add the trunk ppa | 14:20 |
jatsrt | install everything on the management nodes, then disable what you don't want run on them | 14:20 |
jatsrt | then just install nova-compute on the compute nodes | 14:20 |
jatsrt | setup nova.conf | 14:20 |
jatsrt | and up and running in no time | 14:21 |
Razique | jatsrt: that is what I love about nova :) | 14:21 |
jatsrt | if doing vlan mode, don't need to mess with interfaces or anything | 14:21 |
Razique | ok so apache totally removed, let's restart everyhting :D | 14:21 |
Razique | actually , i'm about to add 6 compute nodes (just one atm), when I'll put the nodes, i'll reinstall that current one :) | 14:22 |
Razique | (need to go to the datacenter for that :o ) | 14:22 |
jatsrt | what no remote install! | 14:22 |
Razique | jatsrt: not yet, it's a new infrastructure | 14:22 |
dsockwell | you don't keep a ghoul in your cage to do that sort of thing? | 14:22 |
Razique | ahah you guys are funny :D | 14:23 |
dsockwell | if my job was to babysit a cage i'd totally pretend i was in a zoo | 14:23 |
Razique | dsockwell: I know, but the physical configuration is not completely over :) | 14:23 |
dsockwell | ah | 14:24 |
jatsrt | I'd love an excuse to head to the datra center, it's on the other side of the country | 14:24 |
kbringard | w00t travel budget! | 14:24 |
kbringard | hehe | 14:24 |
Razique | dsockwell: The remote PDU access ain't ready yet, etc... | 14:24 |
kbringard | I've spent enough time in DCs in my career, I'm happy to not have to go to one again, ever | 14:25 |
jatsrt | well one of them is, the other is a block away | 14:25 |
NashTrash | kbringard: I have a nova-network issue, might you have a bit of time? | 14:25 |
jatsrt | kbrigard: that is true | 14:25 |
Razique | jatsrt: the thing is here, it's a 30 mn travel, so enought to eat half a day, not enough to make it a real travel :D | 14:25 |
kbringard | NashTrash: sure, I take a stab at it | 14:25 |
Razique | NashTrash: just ask here :D | 14:25 |
kbringard | NashTrash: but I should tell you, if you're not using VLAN mode, my experience will be severely limited :-) | 14:26 |
kbringard | yea, and what Razique said, if I can't help, someone probably can | 14:26 |
NashTrash | kbringard: Thanks. I opened a question for it (https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/160146). But the long and short is that I upgraded to D1 milestone release and now nova-network fails to start properly. | 14:26 |
NashTrash | kbringard: I get all sorts of spew in the nova-network.log file. | 14:26 |
kbringard | oh... I think I heard someone else say something about that this morning too... unless it was you | 14:26 |
kbringard | one sec, lemme scroll back | 14:26 |
jatsrt | I had the same problem | 14:27 |
newopen | if i use another bridge then br100 which sent sflow traffic to another host, how be sure that my (nova-network) will permit this traffic? | 14:27 |
NashTrash | kbringard: probably me | 14:27 |
jatsrt | it was some crap left in the database of dead instances it was trying to recover the networking for | 14:27 |
NashTrash | jatsrt: Ha. What did the error look like? | 14:27 |
NashTrash | jatsrt: Did you just purge a table or something? | 14:28 |
kbringard | oh, that was you | 14:28 |
kbringard | haha | 14:28 |
NashTrash | ;) | 14:28 |
jatsrt | NashTrash: I beleive I did, if you look around the line of code you see what it is grabbing, which I think is instance data and trying to reassign and rebuild it's network | 14:28 |
jatsrt | I purges my projects, instances and network data | 14:29 |
jatsrt | because I could | 14:29 |
jatsrt | cleaned it up | 14:29 |
NashTrash | jatsrt: I would really prefer not to lose my projects data. Not a huge loss it if comes to that though | 14:29 |
jatsrt | you might be albe to get away with purging instances, if they are all dead anyway | 14:29 |
jatsrt | and then do a project scrub | 14:29 |
NashTrash | Let's try that | 14:30 |
newopen | if i use another bridge then br100 which sent sflow trafic to another host, how be sure that my (nova-network) will permit this trafic? | 14:30 |
kbringard | newopen: I'm not sure about integrating it into Open vSwitch (meaning I don't know how/if the sflow stuff will work), but I use tons of different bridge devices | 14:31 |
kbringard | newopen: just set the bridge device and corresponding vlan tag in the networks table in the nova db | 14:31 |
kbringard | and the compute/network code will bring up the bridges and tag them | 14:31 |
newopen | i do it for bridge | 14:31 |
newopen | nova-network use br0 (openvswitch) | 14:32 |
newopen | but no configuration works with nova | 14:32 |
kbringard | well, nova makes brutils calls directly | 14:32 |
newopen | when i use only openvswitch it sents sflow trafic | 14:32 |
kbringard | at least it did last time I was messing with vswitch | 14:33 |
newopen | when i integrate it with nova no more trafic :((((( | 14:33 |
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kbringard | so I had to run it with the brcompat daemon stuff | 14:33 |
newopen | the same thing with vlans | 14:35 |
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Razique | ok, back | 14:37 |
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newopen | i tagged vnets in different vlan but they still ping themselves | 14:37 |
Razique | after I removed Apache, and restarted the whole cloud, I still have 404 errors | 14:37 |
Razique | I tried a wget http://169.254.169.254/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id, I do have a 404 error | 14:39 |
NashTrash | jatsrt: nova-manage project scrub seems to have worked. | 14:39 |
NashTrash | jatsrt: thanks. | 14:39 |
Razique | it's like this ip doesn't exist | 14:39 |
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jatsrt | yep | 14:39 |
jatsrt | Razique: yeah, I had similar issues | 14:39 |
jatsrt | you need to try to determine what is picking up the request | 14:40 |
jatsrt | a 404 means something is there, if it was nova-network you would get time outs | 14:40 |
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jatsrt | http://169.254.169.254 | 14:40 |
jatsrt | what happens if you wget that from the compute host | 14:40 |
jatsrt | you should get a listing of the api dates | 14:40 |
jatsrt | if you get a "generic" index page you are hitting something else | 14:41 |
Razique | i've an index.html | 14:41 |
Razique | "It works!" | 14:41 |
Razique | hehe | 14:41 |
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jatsrt | contents of that? | 14:41 |
Razique | jatsrt: oh you know, it's the default Apache2 page | 14:41 |
jatsrt | yep | 14:41 |
jatsrt | same problem still then | 14:42 |
jatsrt | This was something that was killing me with euca | 14:42 |
newopen | <kbringard: what can une do with brcompat | 14:42 |
Razique | the one saying that the server works, it's that index.html page (with html tags and stuff :D ) | 14:42 |
jatsrt | when I clean installed I made sure apache was shut down | 14:42 |
jatsrt | Razique: are you getting that from an instance or from a host? | 14:43 |
kbringard | newopen: it basically takes brcrtl commands and sticks them in a db, then applies the equivalent commands to open vswitch | 14:43 |
Razique | jatsrt: when I check the iptables rule (the NAT for that ip) 0 packets are passing thought it at all | 14:43 |
jatsrt | yeah | 14:43 |
Razique | jatsrt: I see the 404 error when I issue an euca-get-console-output | 14:43 |
kbringard | newopen: but it's been like months since I messed with it :-/ | 14:43 |
Razique | jatsrt: and I see that into nova-network.log http://paste.openstack.org/show/1537/ | 14:44 |
jatsrt | so that error seems like you need to scrub your projects | 14:45 |
jatsrt | so I just checked and there are no iptables rules for 169 setup by nova that I can tell, not too sure how it proxy/nats it | 14:46 |
Razique | jatsrt: you should have one :) check Chain nova-network-PREROUTING (1 references) | 14:46 |
Razique | via iptables -L -nv -t nat | 14:46 |
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Razique | (at least, here, it's created when I start the nova-network service | 14:47 |
jatsrt | on manager or compute node? | 14:47 |
Razique | jatsrt: on manager | 14:47 |
Razique | ohh I was wrong, actually, packets DO match that rule | 14:47 |
jatsrt | got it -A nova-network-PREROUTING -d 169.254.169.254/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.16.10:8773 | 14:48 |
Razique | jatsrt: :) | 14:48 |
jatsrt | so I had this because something else was holding port 80(apache) and intercepting the nat | 14:48 |
jatsrt | netstat -an showing apache still on port 80? | 14:49 |
Razique | on both servers I run netstat -tanpu | grep ":80" | 14:49 |
kbringard | or check lsof -i | 14:49 |
Razique | oh | 14:49 |
Razique | Apache is running again Oo | 14:49 |
Razique | This is the compute node | 14:49 |
Razique | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1538/ | 14:49 |
jatsrt | that might be doing it | 14:50 |
jatsrt | kill apache or change the port in /etc/apache2... | 14:50 |
Razique | plus it ain't running on the compute node, it's the "frontend" | 14:50 |
Razique | i'll remove it here too :) | 14:51 |
Razique | dunno why the script I get install it though :/ | 14:51 |
Razique | (that one https://github.com/elasticdog/OpenStack-NOVA-Installer-Script/raw/master/nova-install ) | 14:51 |
RichiH | ttx, soren: wouldn't it make sense to export the meeting agenda as VCAL or similar so people can import/bookmark it? | 14:52 |
RichiH | for #openstack-meeting | 14:52 |
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Razique | jatsrt: do Glance use apache ? | 15:11 |
Razique | cuz I use Glance, not I have a "failed to spawn" error when I check via euca-describe instance | 15:11 |
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alandman | I have questions about projects and zones | 15:15 |
alandman | A user is assigned to a project, is a compute node assigned to a zone? | 15:16 |
alandman | Is the project then tied to the zone? | 15:16 |
jatsrt | Razique: don't think so, I have glance too | 15:17 |
jatsrt | no apache | 15:17 |
Razique | jatsrt: relief, I was afraid I broke down Glance | 15:17 |
Razique | but still this failed to spawn remains weird. I removed manually bridge and Vlan on the compute node | 15:18 |
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Razique | at what stage are they created ? | 15:18 |
jatsrt | Razique, what erors are you seeing now | 15:20 |
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Razique | jatsrt: found it http://paste.openstack.org/show/1539/ | 15:27 |
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jatsrt | um typo? | 15:28 |
Razique | jatsrt: what typo means ? (I'm french ^^) | 15:28 |
jatsrt | Ahh, did you type hvm instead of kvm somewhere | 15:29 |
jatsrt | I'd try to say that in french but I'm not that good | 15:29 |
Razique | mmm no, don't think so | 15:29 |
Razique | BUT | 15:29 |
jatsrt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/445253 | 15:30 |
jatsrt | make sure virtulization is on in the bios | 15:30 |
jatsrt | what do you get on the compute node with kvm-ok | 15:30 |
Razique | jatsrt: it definitely is, this same instance was running before (and when I check via ps axl, it was a KVM image) | 15:31 |
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Razique | seems good :) http://paste.openstack.org/show/1541/ | 15:31 |
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jatsrt | hmmm, I know I was able to get /dev/kvm without the bios allowing virtualization, but never saw this error. that is what it would indicate though | 15:33 |
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jatsrt | how many servers are you using right now and how many are compute nodes? | 15:33 |
Razique | jatsrt: two servers atm, one for everything But nova-compute | 15:34 |
jatsrt | can you paste your nova-manage service list | 15:34 |
Razique | and the other one which runs nova-compute | 15:34 |
Razique | I think I figured out jatsrt | 15:35 |
jatsrt | mostly to get my head wrapped around the setup | 15:35 |
jatsrt | and.... | 15:35 |
Razique | on my management server, nova-compute is running =) | 15:35 |
jatsrt | what was it | 15:35 |
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jatsrt | that is what I was getting at :-) | 15:35 |
Razique | the management server is just a VM itself, so unable to run an instance. When nova scheduler checks for nodes, it uses the VM | 15:35 |
Razique | heeh http://paste.openstack.org/show/1542/ | 15:36 |
Razique | can I remove nova-compute on the frontend like "apt-get remove nova-compute" without incidence ? | 15:36 |
Razique | have to go (french festival here in Lyon 'Nuits Sonores') | 15:37 |
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Razique | thanks a lot jatsrt , and you guys, fantastic community here :) | 15:37 |
jatsrt | nova-manage service disable .... | 15:38 |
jatsrt | to disable nova-ompute on that node | 15:38 |
jatsrt | cya later | 15:38 |
Razique | ok, i'll do that, thanks mate | 15:38 |
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dsockwell | do there exist some public amis for openstack? | 15:48 |
dsockwell | amis or tarballs or however they're distributed | 15:48 |
jatsrt | ubuntu uec images | 15:51 |
jatsrt | http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/ | 15:51 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #792431 in nova "Double requirement in pip-requires" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792431 | 16:01 |
katkee | hello, i create a puppetmaster instance and then need to tell another puppet client on another instance the ip of the puppet master. can somebody suggest a way to do that? | 16:03 |
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elasticdog | katkee: wrong channel? but you can specify the master server in puppet.conf with the "server" configuration parameter | 16:12 |
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katkee | elasticdog: i was wondering if instances could update a DNS entry with OS API maybe | 16:17 |
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elasticdog | katkee: if the puppet master server is resolvable as "puppet.yourdomain.com" the clients will connect to it automatically | 16:23 |
elasticdog | not sure what you mean by OS API though | 16:23 |
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katkee | elasticdog: i found another solution by using cloud-init. Thanks for your help | 16:59 |
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kbringard | does anyone know the status of inter security group communication? it looks like it's not working as I would expect... at least not in VLAN mode | 17:00 |
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kbringard | by which I mean, I bring up 2 instances in the same project in 2 different security groups, neither of which allows ICMP from anywhere, yet the instances can ping each other | 17:01 |
kbringard | I thought ebtables was supposed to protect against that, but there don't appear to be any ebtables rules setup on any of my nodes (all set to accept) | 17:02 |
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kbringard | from looking at the code it looks like it's only supported in xenserver? | 17:09 |
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kbringard | ooooo, I think I found it | 17:28 |
kbringard | flags.DEFINE_bool('allow_project_net_traffic',True,'Whether to allow in project network traffic') | 17:28 |
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kbringard | so yea, if you don't want instances in the same project to be able to inherently talk to each other, set --allow_project_net_traffic=false in your nova.conf | 17:41 |
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vishy | kbringard: that is true, there is no blocking in a project | 18:15 |
vishy | kbringard: cool you found the flag :) | 18:15 |
kbringard | hehe, yessir | 18:15 |
kbringard | then if I want the instances in a security group to talk to each other, I just do a euca-authorize --source-group group1 group1 | 18:16 |
kbringard | yea? | 18:16 |
vishy | kbringard: in theory yes, although I've never tested security group source groups yet | 18:17 |
kbringard | I was messing with it a bit... it worked in 2 groups, but then not in a 3rd, which seems odd | 18:17 |
kbringard | so | 18:17 |
kbringard | I probably did something wrong | 18:17 |
vishy | that code has not been tested extensively, so it may be that there are some weird chains that break it | 18:18 |
vishy | if you find a reproducible problem, ping soren about it. He wrote that code | 18:18 |
kbringard | okie dokie, yea, I was gunna say, I'll keep poking at it and see what I can come up with | 18:18 |
kbringard | thank you sir | 18:18 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #792487 in nova "Xen image snapshot upload failure (glance 'v1' support)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792487 | 18:26 |
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deva | vishy:Hi .. if u remember, I was the one chatted with you regarding unable to ping VM instance in RHEL6.1 with firewall containing rules -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited | 18:35 |
deva | I found the issue was Like when I installed RHEL6.1, firewall has few rules to drop unauthorised packets.So no DHCP boot requests weren't allowed.when I added the rule -A INPUT -i br100 -p udp -m udp --sport 67:68 --dport 67:68 -j ACCEPT | 18:36 |
deva | please lemme know if something needs to be configured to make nova add rule to accept DHCP requests from host machine. I observed nova adds such rule to allow DHCP reply messages back to VM insatance from host not for DHCP requestd from VM to host | 18:38 |
deva | or lemme know nova for any reason doesn't do this | 18:38 |
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NashTrash | vishy: I am not getting ssh connectivity through a public IP address after the upgrade to Diablo-1 milestone. I want to confirm that the right things are showing up in iptables. | 19:25 |
NashTrash | If I have opened ssh and ping for my group, would there be something that should show up in iptables? | 19:25 |
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NashTrash | vishy: Nevermind. I just ran euca-authorize for ssh again and it works now. | 19:31 |
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kbringard | hmmm, I don't know that it causes a problem, but it looks like old nwfilter rules don't get purged | 20:15 |
kbringard | if I log onto any arbitrary compute node and do a virsh nwfilter-list it still has entries for old instances that have been terminated | 20:16 |
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vishy | kbringard: lp:~sleepsonthefloor/nova/lp783705 | 21:03 |
vishy | didn't realize that didn't make it in yet | 21:03 |
kbringard | ahhh, awesome, I'll go check it out | 21:03 |
kbringard | thanks | 21:03 |
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vishy | kbringard: just pinged him so he can merge with trunk | 21:08 |
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kbringard | fantastic, thanks | 21:13 |
kbringard | as an aside, I am still digging into why, but it looks like the --source-groups stuff doesn't really work | 21:13 |
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vishy | kbringard: cool. We should loop soren in | 21:21 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #792584 in nova "DHCP/BOOTP Request messages from VM are dropped in firewall protected host machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792584 | 21:36 |
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