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| HugoKuo | hello | 05:01 |
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| mRy_ | Have any of you used SWIFT to backup VM's to servers in remote datacenters from where the VM's are running? | 05:27 |
| mRy_ | if so then could you please tell me how the performance was? | 05:28 |
| mRy_ | were you able to backup entire VM's, SnapShots? Or what part of the VM? Differencing? | 05:28 |
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| mRy_ | any feedback would be very much appriciated!!! | 05:28 |
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| toluene | hi buddies ! Is openstack dashboard support only single user ? | 05:57 |
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| alex_openstack | hi, | 07:28 |
| alex_openstack | i use single mode, use Flat, FlatDHCP, vLan? | 07:29 |
| alex_openstack | which is better? | 07:29 |
| alex_openstack | in our LAN, already have a DHCP server | 07:29 |
| ttx | alex_openstack: "single mode" ? | 07:30 |
| alex_openstack | yes | 07:30 |
| ttx | you mean everything on a single machine ? | 07:30 |
| alex_openstack | all install into one server | 07:30 |
| alex_openstack | yes | 07:30 |
| alex_openstack | single node model? | 07:30 |
| ttx | then VlanManager is the best. That's what the Ubuntu packaging does by default | 07:30 |
| alex_openstack | which way--script or manunl install is better ? | 07:31 |
| ttx | alex_openstack: i'd say package-based install under Ubuntu 11.04 Server, but I'm biased | 07:31 |
| alex_openstack | why | 07:32 |
| ttx | alex_openstack: because i co-maintain those packages. | 07:32 |
| alex_openstack | yes | 07:32 |
| alex_openstack | but if use manual install is very easy for first ? | 07:33 |
| alex_openstack | for now i just want to let it's can work | 07:33 |
| ttx | manual install, you mean from the tarball ? It's slightly more difficult, I think. What's your base OS ? | 07:34 |
| alex_openstack | 11.04 have LTS now ? | 07:34 |
| ttx | no, 10.04 is the current LTS | 07:34 |
| alex_openstack | i'd say package-based install under Ubuntu 11.04 Server, but I'm biased | 07:34 |
| ttx | alex_openstack: you can follow this: http://fnords.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/bleeding-edge-openstack-nova-on-maverick/ | 07:35 |
| alex_openstack | ok, i check this url | 07:35 |
| ttx | if you're on 11.04 you can skip the "enable the PPA" block | 07:35 |
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| alex_openstack | my ubuntu is 10.10 server | 07:37 |
| alex_openstack | this step is very simple | 07:38 |
| alex_openstack | my LAN gateway is 192.168.2.1 and it's also a DHCP server | 07:39 |
| alex_openstack | so, i should how to config the network is better ? | 07:39 |
| alex_openstack | must first install KVM and then install nova ? | 07:43 |
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| ttx | alex_openstack: for a single-machine setup you don't need to set up networking specifically | 07:51 |
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| ttx | alex_openstack: also don't need to install kvm first, the dependencies will be taken care of automatically | 07:52 |
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| adjohn | Hello, is there any way to specify a availability zone when launching a vm using the OpenStack api (1.1)? | 08:11 |
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| alex_openstack | ttx: thanks | 08:36 |
| alex_openstack | i will follow the url that you give me, install in this way | 08:37 |
| alex_openstack | This image is for use in Ubuntu's UEC, it requires a metadata service. For that to work in FlatManager mode, metadata forwarding must be handled by the gateway, and since nova does not do any setup in this mode, it must be done manually. Requests to 169.254.169.254 port 80 will need to be forwarded to the api server | 09:05 |
| alex_openstack | how to setting this ?t | 09:05 |
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| ttx | alex_openstack: you don't need to set this if you're using VlanManager, which is the default. | 09:08 |
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| alex_openstack | but how to chance to vlan ? | 09:09 |
| alex_openstack | change | 09:10 |
| ttx | You don't need to change, it's using that by default. | 09:10 |
| alex_openstack | it's already in flat mode | 09:10 |
| alex_openstack | bcs, i configure some where, | 09:10 |
| alex_openstack | it's not the default already | 09:11 |
| ttx | You can use the --network_manager flag in /etc/nova/nova.conf | 09:11 |
| alex_openstack | ok | 09:11 |
| ttx | --network_manager=nova.network.manager.VlanManager should work | 09:12 |
| alex_openstack | ok | 09:12 |
| alex_openstack | i try this way | 09:12 |
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| heden | When using uec-publish tarball, the image is set to queued when listing the images through NOVA API. Does anyone know why this is happening. Can add that i'm using glance as imaging service. | 12:34 |
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| HugoKuo | failed to upload image , I found that port 3333 does not in listen ........... I'm using Glance now . Is there any different approch to upload rebundle image ? | 12:55 |
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| HugoKuo | In past , I use euca-upload-bundle .... | 12:55 |
| salv-orlando | Have you tried nova-manage image all_register | 12:56 |
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| HugoKuo | no , but the manifest is in instance .....there's no nova-manage binary | 12:59 |
| HugoKuo | how to use nova-mange ? | 13:00 |
| HugoKuo | or you have other approches to rebundle image ? | 13:00 |
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| HugoKuo | :> | 13:00 |
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| salv-orlando | nova-manage doc can be found here: http://nova.openstack.org/runnova/nova.manage.html | 13:02 |
| salv-orlando | sorry, I don't have more info on how to rebundle... | 13:02 |
| manelmed | hi | 13:03 |
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| manelmed | when i ssh my isntance it told me that remote host identification has changed | 13:04 |
| manelmed | can you help me? | 13:04 |
| manelmed | i create a new key but it still the same thing!! | 13:04 |
| manelmed | Host key verification failed. | 13:06 |
| manelmed | who know about this, please? | 13:08 |
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| mcclurmc | manelmed: this has nothing to do with openstack. you need to delete some lines from ~/.ssh/known_hosts. do a google search on ssh known_hosts for more info | 13:12 |
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| doude | Hi, I try to set up a compute node with a vmware hypervisor, but I have some questions. Someone could help me ? | 13:15 |
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| doude | Where I should run the nova-compute daemon ? On a linux machine or on the ESX/ESXi ? | 13:28 |
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| dabo | doude: for vmware I believe you can run compute anywhere that has access to the host for the instances | 13:36 |
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| doude | dabo: ok, thanks. I try to use it with the VLANnetwok mode. So I set the flag 'vlan_interface', but when I start nova-network, I've get error 'DuplicateFlagError: The flag 'vlan_interface' is defined twice. First from nova.network.manager, Second from nova.network.vmwareapi_net' (http://pastebin.com/EcDN7F7n). I use bzr1086. | 13:50 |
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| doude | dabo: I try to comment the flag definition 'vlan_interface' in 'nova/network/vmwareapi_net.py' but I've get another error: http://pastebin.com/3L0T6ymu | 13:52 |
| dabo | doude: that looks like a bug. nova/network/vmwareapi_net.py shouldn't be re-defining the flag; it should be setting it to the desired value. | 13:54 |
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| doude | dabo: Yes, it's what i thinked, so I comment it but I've get another error: http://pastebin.com/3L0T6ymu | 13:59 |
| manelmed | mcclurmc: thanks | 13:59 |
| dabo | instead of commenting that line, what if you changed it to: FLAGS.vlan_interface = 'vmnic0' | 14:00 |
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| doude | dabo: I've got the same new error (http://pastebin.com/3L0T6ymu) than I comment it. | 14:06 |
| ttx | heden: maybe a duplicate of bug 784472 | 14:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 784472 in nova "Images added through objectstore and EC2 RegisterImage are never made available to the OpenStack API" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784472 | 14:06 |
| annegentle | easy peasy review request: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/782152 | 14:08 |
| heden | "solved it by running glance-upload for the separate files instead" | 14:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 782152 in nova "Documentation typos" [Low,Fix committed] | 14:08 |
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| dabo | doude: maybe someone with more vmware experience can chime in. I haven't used that hypervisor with OpenStack | 14:08 |
| annegentle | ah well the code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~annegentle/nova/782152 | 14:08 |
| dweimer | In swift I should be able to 'st stat' on an account to get the total number of containers, objects, and bytes used for the account right? I'm having an issue where 'st stat' does not show the byte or object count for one of the account's containers. Example: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1370/ | 14:09 |
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| katkee | hello, when using euca-authorize -P icmp -t -1:-1 default we get an exception http://pastebin.com/6KxygGnv | 14:15 |
| katkee | any ideas?? | 14:15 |
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| dweimer | hmm, it looks like I'm having rsync replication problems. | 14:17 |
| doude | dabo: Ok, thanks. Do you know some who use it ? | 14:17 |
| salv-orlando | doude: looks like the vmware network driver is not being used | 14:19 |
| salv-orlando | could you paste your compute node configuration? | 14:19 |
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| gholt | dweimer: Are your -updaters running? | 14:23 |
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| HugoKuo | it seems like that upload image must on glance host | 14:24 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: sorry, I've got some problem with my irc client. I paste my nova config here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1371/ | 14:50 |
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| salv-orlando | doue: are you using the same config file for both network & compute node? | 14:51 |
| salv-orlando | doude: are you using the same config file for both network & compute node? | 14:51 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: yes, but for the moment I didn't yet start the compute daemon | 14:53 |
| salv-orlando | doude: when you use VLAN networks with ESX as compute, the network node should be running the linux network driver, while the compute node the ESX driver. | 14:54 |
| salv-orlando | dousw: this is because the network node (nova-network) uses linux utilities to setup vlan & bridges, while ESX uses VMWare API | 14:54 |
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| salv-orlando | doude: I would try: --network_driver=nova.network.linux_net for nova-network, --network_driver=nova.network.vmwareapi_net for nova-compute | 14:55 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: ha ok, I understand | 14:56 |
| doude | salv-orlando: thanks a lot for your help | 14:56 |
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| salv-orlando | doude: my pleasure. Let me know if it works for you, or if you have more problems. I will look into the duplicated flag issue, and raise a bug if that is the case | 14:57 |
| doude | salv-orlando: ok | 14:57 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: just another question. I use ESXi 4.1 and in the nova documentation, a requirement ask to enable “vSphere Web Access”. ButI cannot find a way to do it. Is it only available with VMware ESX ? I'm noob with VMware | 15:06 |
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| salv-orlando | doude: I think all you need is to enable vSphere web services API. I'm pretty sure you can do that with ESXi as well, as I've done that in the past. That should be something you can set using the vSphere client | 15:08 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #785228 in nova "image metadata is limited by server metadata quota" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/785228 | 15:12 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: i've got a vCenter VM where the vSphere Web Access service running. Is it enough ? | 15:13 |
| salv-orlando | doude: I think so, but would not bet my life on it :-) | 15:14 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: but nova use the flag '--vmwareapi_host_ip' to make request on the VMware API ? So I must set the IP of the vCenter VM ? | 15:17 |
| doude | salv-orlando: and not the IP of the ESXi host | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | doude: documentation says it should be the IP of the ESXi host... can you access its console and try "service vmware-webAccess status"? | 15:21 |
| salv-orlando | sorry I don't have an ESXi backend at hand at the moment | 15:21 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: yes, I tried this commande but I don't have the command 'service' | 15:23 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: I've got only a script service.sh where I can put this parameters: Usage: services.sh {start|stop|restart} | 15:27 |
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| salv-orlando | doude: you might be right about ESXi not supporting web access at the moment. However, I need to check with the guys who developed this ESX support with Openstack. | 15:28 |
| doude | salv-orlando: Ok thank you. I think i must use the vCenter which implements the web acces | 15:30 |
| salv-orlando | salv-orlando: it's definitely worth a try. | 15:30 |
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| salv-orlando | doude: it's definitely worth a try | 15:31 |
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| NashTrash | Hello, OpenStack'ers | 15:32 |
| NashTrash | I am running into a permissions problem with my first cloud customer. He tries to create an instance (using euca-run-instances) and gets this error — EC2ResponseError: 401 Unauthorized. | 15:33 |
| NashTrash | I created him as just a regular user (not admin) and added him into an account. Did I miss a step? | 15:34 |
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| j05h | euca-run-instances requires sysadmin | 15:36 |
| j05h | it also needs to be global as well as at the project level (if you're using projects) | 15:37 |
| NashTrash | j05h: Seriously? How am I supposed to keep things like user/project creation separate from the ability to run instances within a project? | 15:37 |
| j05h | i don't think sysadmins can create users or projects. | 15:38 |
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| kbringard | NashTrash: I think you have to use nova-manage commands to add projects and such | 15:39 |
| kbringard | giving his the sysadmin role within OpenStack shouldn't give him access to your dom0 machines | 15:40 |
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| kbringard | unless I'm misunderstanding your question? | 15:40 |
| kbringard | so if you do like | 15:41 |
| kbringard | nova-manage role add <user> sysadmin <project> | 15:42 |
| kbringard | then he should get the "sysadmin" within that specific project | 15:42 |
| kbringard | and should be able to launch and terminate instances | 15:42 |
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| kbringard | you will also probably need to add him to the global roles (since you have to have both) | 15:43 |
| kbringard | so you run the same command, sans the project | 15:43 |
| katkee | annegentle: thanks for the links about iptables ;) . we found were the problem was. | 15:43 |
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| NashTrash | kbringard: Thanks. I will give it a try | 15:44 |
| kbringard | np, hopefully it helps | 15:46 |
| kbringard | if he needs to allocate floating IP addresses, he'll need netadmin too | 15:46 |
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| NashTrash | kbringard: Is there documentation out there on roles and permissions? | 15:47 |
| NashTrash | annegentle: This question could go to you too. Is there detailed documentation on roles and permissions? | 15:48 |
| kbringard | probably... I'd have to look | 15:48 |
| kbringard | I just had to do it enough times, hehe | 15:48 |
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| NashTrash | kbringard: Best way to learn for sure | 15:49 |
| NashTrash | kbringard: So my user needs to have sysadmin at the global level so that it is possible to have sysadmin at the project level, right? | 15:50 |
| kbringard | yessir | 15:50 |
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| NashTrash | ***nod*** | 15:51 |
| NashTrash | annegentle: None of the docs mention a role called sysadmin. They only have admin, itsec, projectmanager, netadmin and developer. Am I missing documentation somewhere? | 15:52 |
| kbringard | NashTrash: I remember grepping through the code for it | 15:52 |
| kbringard | but that was many moons ago | 15:52 |
| NashTrash | kbringard: Yeah. projectmanager allows user add/remove and instance create/destroy. I am guessing that sysadmin is only instance c/d? | 15:53 |
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| kbringard | yea, I think so | 15:54 |
| kbringard | it's not documented super well ;-) | 15:54 |
| NashTrash | :-O | 15:55 |
| NashTrash | alright. So I think my user is now setup. I will have him try. | 15:55 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: I found a web SOAP API on my ESXi available. I think it's enable by default on ESXi and it can be activated or not on ESX | 15:59 |
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| salv-orlando | doude: if that is the SOAP endpoint we need, according to the doc you should have a wsdl file at: http://SOAP_ENDPOINT/vimService.wsdl | 16:01 |
| salv-orlando | the doc says also something about a faulty wsdl shipped with ESX 4.1, don't whether that applies to ESXi as well | 16:02 |
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| NashTrash | kbringard: Looks like projectmanager role was replaced by sysadmin role. At least that is what the code says. | 16:03 |
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| kbringard | yea, I think you're right | 16:14 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: ping | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | vishy: nova-network question | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | vishy: it seems when nova-network injects our gateway addr it leaves the interface in a state of down | 16:29 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: also we keep getting wrong values for dnsmasq | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | dhcp range | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | vishy: and we can't figure out where they are coming from | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we are also seeing instances where we correct the ranges in sql and then they magically reappear | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | and we can't understand why they keep changing | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | for example if i manually sent the range in the db to 10.88.0.1 | 16:31 |
| primeministerp | dnsmasq is using 10.0.0.2 as the begining of the range | 16:32 |
| primeministerp | when we never supplied that address | 16:32 |
| primeministerp | at all | 16:32 |
| primeministerp | and previously our db had the correct range | 16:32 |
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| doude | salv-orlando: so I don't need to specified the flag --vmwareapi_wsdl_loc ? | 16:36 |
| salv-orlando | doude: by default it point to where the wsdl should be on ESX/ESXi server. You need it to address the point concerning the faulty wsdl reported in the documentation | 16:37 |
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| primeministerp | bump | 16:52 |
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| annegentle | NashTrash: shoot, sorry I thought I had done a pass through the docs to update the role info | 16:57 |
| primeministerp | so anyone know why nova-network when started set's my dhcp_start value in the only network i have defined to 10.0.0.2 | 16:58 |
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| primeministerp | even after I manually change it in the db | 16:58 |
| primeministerp | and commit the change | 16:58 |
| primeministerp | INSERT INTO `networks` VALUES ('2011-05-18 21:05:14','2011-05-19 16:56:28',NULL,0,8,0,'10.88.0.0/24','255.255.255.0','br100','10.88.0.254','10.88.0.255','10.1.1.1',NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,'10.0.0.2','HyperV','jil-h-i-08-a',NULL,NULL,'public',NULL); | 16:58 |
| primeministerp | that's what i just dumped from the table | 16:59 |
| primeministerp | after a svs restart | 16:59 |
| primeministerp | so i can't modify the dhcp_start in nova network from nova-manage? | 17:00 |
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| NashTrash | primeministerp: Can you paste your nova.conf file. You need to make sure the —flat_network_dhcp value is set there independent of the network you create through nova-manage | 17:11 |
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| NashTrash | annegentle: It appears that all of the online docs refer to a projectmanager role instead of a sysadmin role. | 17:11 |
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| primeministerp | hmm | 17:17 |
| primeministerp | ok | 17:17 |
| primeministerp | we didn't have that | 17:17 |
| primeministerp | but that's a new field to us | 17:17 |
| primeministerp | ok | 17:17 |
| primeministerp | er setting | 17:17 |
| primeministerp | NashTrash: we'll tryi t | 17:18 |
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| annegentle | ok, all set subbing sysadmin for projectmanager and cloudadmin for admin in the docs - merge request for https://code.launchpad.net/~annegentle/nova/782152 please? :) | 17:19 |
| primeministerp | NashTrash: what file is that 10.0.0.x coming from? | 17:19 |
| primeministerp | NashTrash: so it never even uses what's in the database | 17:23 |
| primeministerp | for the value of dhcp_start | 17:23 |
| primeministerp | and that value replaces it? | 17:23 |
| primeministerp | NashTrash: it appears that it just launches dnsmasq w/ that value, when I tried to set --flat_network_dhcp=10.88.0.0/24 | 17:24 |
| primeministerp | NashTrash: dnsmasq puked | 17:25 |
| primeministerp | NashTrash: so what type of value needs to go there | 17:25 |
| primeministerp | bc it's not clear by the setting name | 17:25 |
| primeministerp | i would think it would require a cidr | 17:25 |
| primeministerp | but it looks like it needs just the first ip addr in the range | 17:25 |
| primeministerp | also i don't know why i would need that at all as it should be pulling that info from the db | 17:25 |
| primeministerp | as that's where it is set | 17:26 |
| primeministerp | it doesn't make sense to set something that the dnsmasq service doesn/t use | 17:26 |
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| primeministerp | NashTrash: so basically the whatever i put into the --flat_dhcp_range= replaces the dhcp_start field coming out of the db | 17:29 |
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| primeministerp | also what's the difference between --flat_network_dhcp and --flat_network_dhcp_start | 17:30 |
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| vishy | primeministerp: --flat_network_dhcp_start is where the 10.0.0.2 is coming from | 19:31 |
| dweimer | gholt: Thanks for responding earlier. It was an rsync error on my side. The backend IP's changed and rsyncd.conf wasn't updated on all of the servers. | 19:31 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: default in some compiled python? | 19:32 |
| vishy | primeministerp: when you create a network it uses that flag as the default | 19:33 |
| vishy | (a flat network) | 19:33 |
| vishy | when dnsmasq is started it uses the data from the db, but the db is set from that flag initially | 19:34 |
| primeministerp | vishy: then why have the field in the database that isn't used? | 19:36 |
| primeministerp | vishy: that that flag then overwrites... | 19:36 |
| vishy | the one in the db is used | 19:36 |
| primeministerp | vishy: where, because that flag overwrites the field in the db every time i touch the service | 19:37 |
| vishy | ah you're right | 19:37 |
| primeministerp | vishy: *nod* | 19:37 |
| vishy | it gets reset in _on_set_network_host | 19:37 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: if you supply the icepacks i'll stop banging my head against the wall ;) | 19:38 |
| primeministerp | vishy: i thought the gremlins were out to get me | 19:38 |
| piken | Is it possible to setup swift with no proxy for a single node dev system? | 19:38 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we cant' get dnsmasque to respond to dhcp requests | 19:39 |
| primeministerp | vishy: if we manually set the ips in the vms, we get network connectivity | 19:39 |
| primeministerp | vishy: also, it appears that when we start nova-network | 19:39 |
| primeministerp | it starts 2 dnsmasque processes | 19:40 |
| vishy | that is correct | 19:40 |
| primeministerp | vishy: also when we boot the system, our nic which is internal to the cloud | 19:40 |
| primeministerp | isn't up | 19:40 |
| primeministerp | vishy: how are you bringing up the interface | 19:41 |
| primeministerp | via and ifconfig | 19:41 |
| primeministerp | or a pass to some function that is basically an ifconfig? | 19:41 |
| vishy | i don't think we bring up eth devices | 19:41 |
| primeministerp | vishy: you have to | 19:41 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we left our eth1 unconfigured | 19:41 |
| primeministerp | vishy: actually we left it unassigned | 19:42 |
| vishy | right, i don't think we bring up eth1 | 19:42 |
| primeministerp | o | 19:42 |
| primeministerp | so i need to bring it live | 19:42 |
| vishy | yes i think so | 19:42 |
| primeministerp | and assign no addr, or an 0.0.0.0 addr | 19:42 |
| vishy | you can or you can give it a private addr | 19:42 |
| vishy | i usually give my second devices 192.168 addresses | 19:42 |
| primeministerp | ok | 19:42 |
| vishy | and direct all rabbit/mysql traffic over that interface | 19:43 |
| primeministerp | so eth1 needs to be live w/ addr prior to bridge injection | 19:43 |
| vishy | when nova bridges in it will move the ip onto the bridge | 19:43 |
| vishy | optionally with an address | 19:43 |
| vishy | but yeah it should be live | 19:43 |
| primeministerp | vishy: prob is i have 16 subnets already before we started this, all routing private addrs | 19:43 |
| primeministerp | vishy: so the default networks overlap w/ some supernets we have setup already | 19:44 |
| vishy | yes sounds complex | 19:45 |
| vishy | I'm sure you can find some valid ranges though | 19:45 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we can, but the service kept overwiting our confi | 19:45 |
| primeministerp | g | 19:45 |
| primeministerp | hence the scars on my forhead | 19:45 |
| vishy | primeministerp: the only thing that is dynamic like that is dhcp start | 19:45 |
| primeministerp | vishy: every time we restarted it after a manual db change | 19:45 |
| primeministerp | ok | 19:46 |
| primeministerp | good to know | 19:46 |
| vishy | well and it is a little fancy with moving ips onto bridges | 19:46 |
| vishy | :) | 19:46 |
| primeministerp | vishy: in our existing clusters we never put ips on a bridge | 19:46 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we have management vifs or eths for that | 19:46 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we are very vlan and route intensive | 19:47 |
| vishy | yes i didn't want to have to write the code to dynamically generate tap devices in there | 19:47 |
| primeministerp | *nod* | 19:47 |
| primeministerp | ahh tap devices | 19:47 |
| * primeministerp dreams of his metasploit pro vpn client | 19:47 | |
| primeministerp | vishy: fair enough, thanks for the clarification | 19:48 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: hopefully if we get the networking bits going we will have the largest openstack/hyperv deployment in the world | 19:49 |
| vishy | primeministerp: btw we have plans to try a modified flatdhcp which will relay dhcp requests from the switch to nova-network | 19:49 |
| vishy | (or perhaps just pass out the real switch as the gateway) | 19:49 |
| primeministerp | vishy: o we would love that | 19:50 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: we have a very extensive dhcp infrastructure that we currently relay on | 19:50 |
| vishy | our plan is to actually nat at the host level instead of through nova-network | 19:50 |
| vishy | primeministerp: I'm not sure exactly how to solve your use case where you actually want to pass out addresses through your existing infrastructure | 19:51 |
| vishy | primeministerp: but it will at least get part way there | 19:51 |
| vishy | and minimize spof on nova-network | 19:51 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: ideally we lacp from the network host to the switch and just pass tagged traffic | 19:53 |
| primeministerp | vishy: currently | 19:53 |
| vishy | what is lacp? | 19:53 |
| primeministerp | link aggrigate control protocl | 19:53 |
| primeministerp | we bond all nics in our vhosts | 19:53 |
| primeministerp | to the switch | 19:53 |
| primeministerp | think dynamic mlt | 19:53 |
| primeministerp | mlt = multi layer trunk | 19:54 |
| vishy | we're actually trying to take network host out of the equation for routing | 19:54 |
| primeministerp | that would be awesome | 19:54 |
| primeministerp | can we do that w/ openvswitch? | 19:54 |
| vishy | primeministerp: possibly. We're starting with a really simple version | 19:54 |
| primeministerp | vishy: sure baby steps | 19:55 |
| primeministerp | vishy: basically we use linux-ha virt clusters | 19:55 |
| primeministerp | vishy: and we take all host nics and aggrigate them into the switch | 19:56 |
| primeministerp | originally (4 years ago) we would mlt at the host level | 19:56 |
| primeministerp | vishy: and the switch | 19:56 |
| primeministerp | vishy: with lacp the bond/circuit only gets created if both sides of the connection neg it | 19:56 |
| primeministerp | otherwise they are just nics | 19:56 |
| primeministerp | because we provision via pxe | 19:57 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we need to be able to get to our install sources after the primative initial pxe on an untagged network to our fully bonded interface's passing traffic on the correct vlan | 19:59 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we lay down our virtual switching fabric on the host during the first phase of our install, then reboot to make it active | 19:59 |
| primeministerp | vishy: basically it took us a while to come up to speed w/ the openstack paradigm just because it was so different to how we were used to doing things w/ our linux virt clusters | 20:00 |
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| vishy | primeministerp: I will keep you apprised of the changes we are making to support simplified/redundant flatdhcp | 20:00 |
| primeministerp | vishy: i will gladly dogfood what you've got | 20:01 |
| primeministerp | vishy: when it's ready | 20:01 |
| primeministerp | vishy: however our first goal is to get up the hyperv/cloud | 20:01 |
| primeministerp | vishy: and we've basically got tweak the network bits to work | 20:02 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: but you've given us great insight in the last couple days | 20:02 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we appreciate it | 20:02 |
| vishy | primeministerp: ok if you have any more issues let me know | 20:02 |
| primeministerp | vishy: will do | 20:02 |
| primeministerp | vishy: alandman is my collegue in the lab so if you see bits from him you can use my comments as history of our infrastructure | 20:03 |
| vishy | ok cool | 20:04 |
| primeministerp | vishy: do you happen to know which features of the compute node are fully implemented in the hyperv code? | 20:04 |
| primeministerp | vishy: and if so is it documented somewhere? | 20:04 |
| vishy | primeministerp: not sure, I do know the guy who wrote most of the code though | 20:04 |
| primeministerp | vishy: chanondeep (sp) | 20:05 |
| primeministerp | i believe | 20:05 |
| primeministerp | vishy: sorry i can't spell | 20:05 |
| primeministerp | er charadeep | 20:05 |
| vishy | chiradeep | 20:05 |
| vishy | yes | 20:05 |
| primeministerp | yes | 20:05 |
| primeministerp | sorry | 20:05 |
| primeministerp | i can't spell my own name nevermind someone elses | 20:06 |
| primeministerp | vishy: happens when you "terminal" rot | 20:06 |
| vishy | haha | 20:06 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we have a call w/ him tonight so i will address w/ him | 20:06 |
| primeministerp | vishy: my kids wonder why i speak in acronyms | 20:07 |
| vishy | great | 20:07 |
| vishy | there is definitely some stuff missing | 20:07 |
| vishy | and things may be broken because i don't think it is being tested by anyone | 20:07 |
| vishy | + it will need some changes when we add multinic support | 20:07 |
| primeministerp | vishy: we are planning on changing that asap | 20:08 |
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| jehreg | re all | 22:02 |
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| jehreg | Anyone got time to help me with a basic Swift install and config ? I get a 403 when trying to access my account | 22:02 |
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| jehreg | Well, got it working by completely destroying the account rings. | 22:22 |
| jehreg | Now, I just have to figure out how to get Nova to use/link Swift. | 22:22 |
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| jehreg | ooooo, swift <> nova-volumes. Back to the drawing board. *sigh* | 22:25 |
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| gholt | jehreg: Doesn't Glance do that? [Note, I'm not all that familiar with it all...] | 22:29 |
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| jehreg | Hmmm, newbie here too. AFAIK, Glance is for storing VM images, it is not a Virtual HD. | 22:31 |
| jehreg | From what I understand of Instances, once they are shutdown, all dat is gone. | 22:31 |
| jehreg | dat=data | 22:31 |
| kbringard | jehreg: that's correct | 22:32 |
| jehreg | So, I need to find a way to store data in the VM. | 22:32 |
| kbringard | that's what EBS is for | 22:32 |
| jehreg | I *think* that is nova-volume. | 22:32 |
| kbringard | yea | 22:32 |
| jehreg | I *thought* that was what swift was for, but I think I am wrong. | 22:32 |
| kbringard | well | 22:32 |
| kbringard | I'm not sure if you can use swift for nova-volume storage | 22:33 |
| kbringard | you may be able to | 22:33 |
| jehreg | The problem I have is that I need to be able to support live migrations. | 22:33 |
| kbringard | to use live migration you have to have a shared filesystem that all compute nodes have read/write to | 22:33 |
| kbringard | so like, you can export your /var/lib/nova/instances directory on your controller | 22:33 |
| jehreg | So far, the doc shows me that nova-volumes are "local". | 22:33 |
| jehreg | ah | 22:33 |
| kbringard | then mount it as /var/lib/nova/instances on your compute nodes | 22:33 |
| kbringard | so that if you launch an instance on compute node you should be able to see it on all the compute nodes | 22:34 |
| jehreg | OK, so I have an instance running on node 1. I have to create an EBS for it, to store data. That EBS gets stored where ? | 22:34 |
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| kbringard | the EBS gets stored on the nova-volume controller | 22:34 |
| jehreg | in /var/lib/nova/instances ? | 22:34 |
| kbringard | live migration and EBS are 2 entirely different things | 22:35 |
| jehreg | Ah, so I need a nova-volume controller. | 22:35 |
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| kbringard | when you live migrate an instance you just change which compute node it is running on | 22:35 |
| jehreg | Yes, but they "interact" or rather, I must design so that EBS doesn't prevent live migration. | 22:35 |
| kbringard | without shutting down the node | 22:35 |
| kbringard | yea, that will be triclky | 22:35 |
| jehreg | True, but how does it "refer" to the EBS ? | 22:35 |
| kbringard | so far in my tests I've not been able to live migrate an instance that has an EBS volume attached to it | 22:35 |
| kbringard | nova-volume exports an iscsi endpoint | 22:36 |
| jehreg | That's what I was afraid of. | 22:36 |
| jehreg | Hmmm, then that could work. | 22:36 |
| kbringard | and then the compute node attaches to it | 22:36 |
| jehreg | because live migration is compatable with iscsi. | 22:36 |
| gholt | jehreg: Ah, yeah. Swift is for Object Storage, not Block Storage [doesn't support POSIX, eventually consistent, etc.] | 22:36 |
| jehreg | Yeah, so far, I don't think my project needs Object Storage. | 22:37 |
| jehreg | I am trying to figure out if I am better off with OpenNebula or OpenStack. | 22:37 |
| jehreg | I will have a max of 20 nodes. I have to pool their drives for my EBS. | 22:38 |
| jehreg | SO my compute nodes are also my Volume space. | 22:38 |
| jehreg | I can pool their drives into one block device using Gluster. | 22:38 |
| jehreg | If I had dedicated compute nodes and dedicated volume nodes, then I would off to the races, but I am getting a whole bunch of old Dell 1U with "small" drives, all the same. | 22:39 |
| jehreg | I am wondering if Openstack is not overkill for me. | 22:40 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #785448 in swift "Multiple Swauths fails" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/785448 | 22:41 |
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| jehreg | thanks | 22:47 |
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