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| scaraffe | How can i help in implementing one of the blueprints? | 16:40 |
| Ryan_Lane | scaraffe: do it, and submit a merge request, I believe | 16:52 |
| * jeremyb spies Ryan_Lane | 16:56 | |
| Ryan_Lane | jeremyb: :D | 16:57 |
| Ryan_Lane | jeremyb: what are you doing in here? :) | 16:57 |
| jeremyb | Ryan_Lane: mostly working on stuff blocking foundation use? | 16:57 |
| jeremyb | i'm mostly here about swift not nova for now | 16:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah. submitting merges for nova stuff | 16:58 |
| * Ryan_Lane nods | 16:58 | |
| jeremyb | planning to use ganeti for at least 6-12 months | 16:58 |
| jeremyb | and then take another look at nova | 16:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | I'm likely to test swift when the virt hardware comes in | 16:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | with the current hosts I'm testing nova with | 16:59 |
| jeremyb | i'm trying to plan an abstraction layer on top of swift to keep track of where things are but i really should just try it first | 17:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | I'm pretty sure nova is our long term solution, so I'm going to start with it now, and patch things that aren't working. easier than switching later, and it helps out the project | 17:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | an abstraction layer? | 17:02 |
| jeremyb | because i'll have more than a million objects (even for a single type of data, even at the onset) and I want copy on write not overwrite when an object is modified | 17:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | ah | 17:03 |
| jeremyb | yeah, like a pair of HA mysql DBs dedicated just to key value storage/audit logging for which key is in which bin | 17:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | interesting | 17:03 |
| scaraffe | Ryan_Lane, most of the blueprints have been assigned to someone and they probably have started working on it. Hence the question | 17:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | ah | 17:06 |
| jeremyb | Ryan_Lane: one thing i want that's not in swift is snapshots. so i figured if i have an authentication server that only allows writes to new files and i ensure at a layer above that mappings and their changes are recorded forever then I can do moves/updates/deletes in the mapping layer but still have the data for deleted stuff (no idea if that's possible with the auth arch, don't really follow how that works) | 17:08 |
| jeremyb | Ryan_Lane: then i can snapshot the mapping layer and i've snapshotted the whole thing | 17:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | that could be useful | 17:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | I haven't taken a good look at nova yet. I'm wondering how backups are going to work though | 17:10 |
| jeremyb | that's another piece i was thinking about | 17:10 |
| Ryan_Lane | thankfully we have a contractor looking at a bunch of filesystems, swift included | 17:10 |
| jeremyb | russ? | 17:10 |
| jeremyb | is he on IRC? | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | he was the other day | 17:11 |
| jeremyb | local in SF? | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | not sure if he normally is | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | not sure. just met him via IRC | 17:11 |
| jeremyb | heh | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | i'm not in SF, afterall :) | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | (for now) | 17:11 |
| jeremyb | moving?! | 17:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 17:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | will be there starting in march or so | 17:12 |
| jeremyb | i was going to have dated (by month or week or whatever) containers and periodically once a container stabilizes for a given date then lock it down for writes and give it a final backup. so then you have a small # of containers that are mutable and can get incrementals and a majority have one time backups of the "final" state | 17:13 |
| Ryan_Lane | sounds difficult :) | 17:14 |
| jeremyb | but before it stabilizes I was going to have a process go through and do some compacting like with the external stores. because otherwises there's no compression across objects | 17:14 |
| jeremyb | well it hinges in part on what the auth layer can do, and it kinda confuses me (the docs at least) | 17:15 |
| Ryan_Lane | why's the auth part matter? | 17:15 |
| jeremyb | i think i've thought too much about it and i need to just deploy and try | 17:15 |
| jeremyb | to prohibit writes to "final" containers, prohibit delete, overwrite, etc. for all containers | 17:16 |
| jeremyb | basically i want WORM with the ability to mark containers as full | 17:16 |
| jeremyb | (write once, read many) | 17:17 |
| jeremyb | as i said, the auth server docs confuse me. i think i need to just try it :) | 17:17 |
| Ryan_Lane | heh | 17:17 |
| jeremyb | how are you testing nova? | 17:18 |
| jeremyb | and what is this for? dev/qa/utility boxen? | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | currently on two old hosts | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | test/dev | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | not production | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | though it's possible we'll have some misc stuff in production on vms eventually | 17:19 |
| Ryan_Lane | I've tested multi-node with mysql and ldap. have been sending merges in on the ldap stuff mostly | 17:19 |
| Ryan_Lane | I'm also making a MediaWiki extension that'll act as a web frontend for it | 17:20 |
| jeremyb | what's ldap for? just auth or user limits too? | 17:20 |
| jeremyb | ugh | 17:20 |
| jeremyb | everything's an extension! | 17:20 |
| Ryan_Lane | heh. | 17:20 |
| Ryan_Lane | well that can't be core ;) | 17:20 |
| Ryan_Lane | or did you mean it should be from scratch? | 17:20 |
| jeremyb | i don't understand why not just make a django app | 17:21 |
| jeremyb | or cake | 17:21 |
| jeremyb | or something | 17:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | I have a pre-made app I want to integrate with: http://ryandlane.com/wiki/Category:Servers | 17:21 |
| jeremyb | btw, i was wondering. do you use ldap for external nodes in puppet? or ldap is just for users not machines? | 17:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | we aren't really using ldap right now | 17:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | I switched SVN to use LDAP because I was having problems getting puppet working with 300 users | 17:22 |
| jeremyb | heh | 17:22 |
| Ryan_Lane | but I plan on having fairly extensive ldap integration in test/dev and with nova and the manager | 17:22 |
| Ryan_Lane | the reason I didn't use django or cake, or something else, is that the manager extension will be fairly simple, and most of the work is already done if I use mediawiki | 17:23 |
| Ryan_Lane | authentication, user rights, CSRF protection, form building, etc | 17:24 |
| jeremyb | oooh, i see breadcrumbs | 17:24 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, the app that I'm integrating with is the server documentation stuff | 17:24 |
| Ryan_Lane | using SMW | 17:24 |
| * jeremyb wonders who kpzhang is | 17:25 | |
| jeremyb | http://ryandlane.com/wiki/File:Prototype_system.JPG doesn't work very well as a JPG | 17:26 |
| Ryan_Lane | I got it from commons :D | 17:26 |
| Ryan_Lane | It actually has nothing to do with the site. I just searched for "prototype" on commons. heh | 17:27 |
| * jeremyb wonders why the owa boxes are under tesla... llllong names | 17:27 | |
| jeremyb | hah | 17:27 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's going to be fixed ;) | 17:28 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, tesla is going to stay. usability is going away | 17:28 |
| jeremyb | they are prod, right? | 17:28 |
| Ryan_Lane | no. test/dev | 17:28 |
| jeremyb | huh | 17:28 |
| jeremyb | anyway, we're getting OT :) | 17:28 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 17:28 |
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