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piken | Does Nova use a pure image store that is used to transfer the vm image to each node, or is there a way to use a central store for the images where they run from. I am insterested in using qcow2 style images in order to cut down on deployment and not sure if it is supported. | 14:32 |
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jaypipes | piken: a pure image store is coming :) Check out the Glance subproject: https://launchpad.net/glance | 15:11 |
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zul | is there a release meeting this afternoon? | 15:26 |
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creiht | zul: those are on Tuesdays now | 15:27 |
zul | creiht: ok thanks | 15:27 |
zul | i forgot :) | 15:28 |
jaypipes | zul: I don't think so, no... we had it on Tuesday (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2010/openstack-meeting.2010-09-14-21.04.html) | 15:28 |
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piken | jaypipes: I was actually looking to not have the images in a store that requires them moved to the other system. | 15:52 |
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jaypipes | piken: could you elaborate? do you mean using something existing like S3 to store images? or something else? | 15:54 |
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alekibango | jaypipes: piken: glusterfs? | 15:57 |
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alekibango | and there is also some nice thing i found - sheepdog.... | 15:58 |
alekibango | but only for patched kvm (qemu) | 15:58 |
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alekibango | i would like to (like piken prolly) use reliable storage without moving the image all the time | 15:59 |
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jaypipes | alekibango: we have sheepdog support planned for Bexar release. | 16:00 |
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alekibango | jaypipes: interesting.... | 16:01 |
alekibango | and waht about gluster? | 16:01 |
alekibango | :) isnt that useable? | 16:01 |
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jaypipes | alekibango: I've heard different stories, some good, some bad...no personal experience with it. | 16:01 |
alekibango | jaypipes: i keep an eye on it for few years now, now i am testing it and i really must say its coming out to be nice. Especially if ceph is not mature... | 16:02 |
jaypipes | alekibango: ya, I've got to find more time to play with these technologies.. :) | 16:03 |
alekibango | its interesting, because there is no central point of failure in glusterfs | 16:03 |
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alekibango | and its really pretty simple and modular.... which is big advantage | 16:04 |
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alekibango | missing central point of failure imho makes it ideal SAN to be used with openstack clusters -> for image stores - or for images directly | 16:05 |
alekibango | and its cheap :) | 16:05 |
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notmyname | swift stats documentation for those who want to play along from home http://etherpad.openstack.org/stats | 16:09 |
gholt | What if they're actually at work? | 16:12 |
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creiht | hehe | 16:12 |
piken | jaypipes: I was looking to have a central distributed filesystem to store the images on, where the vm servers would be able to have rw access that way a single qcow2 image can be used for all vm's with writebacks for blocks then update only. | 16:25 |
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piken | alekibango:gluster has some major performance issues as we have seen in my office. | 16:26 |
piken | on bonded infiniband, we have not been able to get faster then 300mbs writes and 700mbs reads | 16:27 |
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piken | On luster we have seen 3.4gbps writes and 9.2gbps reads | 16:27 |
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jdarcy | piken: How much effort was put into tuning each? | 16:32 |
jdarcy | I've done 40GB/s (yes, GB not Gb) with Lustre. I know it can be fast if tuned correctly. I also know either it or GlusterFS can be much slower if tuned incorrectly. | 16:33 |
piken | That was with no tunning on either. | 16:34 |
jdarcy | piken: How many servers/clients, and which translators? | 16:35 |
jdarcy | To be directly comparable with Lustre, you'd probably want striping and distribution, but not replication (rely on RAID in back). | 16:36 |
jdarcy | Uploading bundled image parts to the S3 bucket jdarcy_test ... | 16:36 |
jdarcy | Uploaded 1793-70340388405960.part.00 | 16:37 |
jdarcy | Failed to upload "/root/jdarcy/bukkit/tmp.jmSlEXqYGl/1793-70340388405960.part.01": Curl.Error(56): SSL read: errno -5961. | 16:37 |
jdarcy | ERROR: Failed to upload "/root/jdarcy/bukkit/tmp.jmSlEXqYGl/1793-70340388405960.part.01": Curl.Error(56): SSL read: errno -5961. | 16:37 |
jdarcy | Oops, wrong channel. | 16:37 |
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piken | jdarcy: I am not sure what translators, but there were 25 storage servers with 3 raid6 block devieces in each and 20 clients | 17:09 |
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jdarcy | piken: Interesting. Those numbers seem *way* low to me for such a config. SI gets >1GB/s/server. | 17:10 |
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SandCube | how can I bill clients in a cloud environment per CPU, bandwidth,and diskspace usage? is there any cheap software to help with it? (I checked zuora, but their minimum fee is 25k per year) | 17:16 |
kevnfx | I've been trying to get a single node Nova system running, and have tried migrating to the nova.sh script which was posted. branch/install/run, then euca-bundle-image complains about an Invalid cert ... so I create a new one, then euca-upload-bundle complains about bug #623888 (cannot Import name Connection) which has been closed but doesn't provide a workaround (that I'm aware of). I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 with the latest bits ... is there something I'm miss | 17:20 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 623888 in nova "euca-upload-bundle -b mybucket -m /tmp/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-server.manifest.xml" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623888 | 17:20 |
alekibango | jdarcy: thanks for input, i afked a bit | 17:21 |
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alekibango | SandCube: it seems best would be to write your own accounting system | 17:27 |
scottie | anyone know of a discount code for surge2010? | 17:27 |
alekibango | SandCube: and if you will open it, maybe someone will join. :) | 17:27 |
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kevnfx | ing? | 17:49 |
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dendrobates | Several of you have contacted me in the last few minutes about the facebook email that was sent to everyone on the LP teams. | 18:35 |
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dendrobates | I assure it is not part of some plot, just our new community manager trying to figure out where to best contact the team. | 18:36 |
dendrobates | His name is Stephen Spector, he came to us from Xen.org | 18:37 |
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dendrobates | I'm not sure if he is on IRC yet. | 18:37 |
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dendrobates | you can read about him here: http://openstack.org/blog/2010/09/community-manager-introduction/ | 18:38 |
dendrobates | quiet today. | 18:45 |
soren | Tough crowd. | 18:46 |
notmyname | FWIW, a facebook group seems odd. lot's of people have facebook, but I would guess there is a higher percentage of devs that don't have facebook than in the general population | 18:48 |
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notmyname | ...maybe I just feel that way because I don't use facebook.... | 18:48 |
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gholt | Heheheh | 18:49 |
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maplebed | I'm such a n00b. I don't know how to join the facebook group. | 18:53 |
dendrobates | I feel dirty even using twitter | 18:53 |
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piken | Till I can get my setup working with images in a central store, is there anyway I can have vm's brought up from a local location on each node? | 19:02 |
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spectorclan | This is Stephen Spector, new community manager; sorry for chaos on the facebook email - figuring out the various email lists. Will not bother this gang again with useless non developer stuff | 19:05 |
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dendrobates | np spectorclan | 19:08 |
dendrobates | spectorclan: this channel is bursty | 19:09 |
dendrobates | we will have nothing for a while and then several conversations going on at once. | 19:10 |
spectorclan | dendrobates: no problem, a little chaos is good so everyone knows who I am now. Of course I will make it up to the developers with a great party in November at the design summit | 19:10 |
dendrobates | we also use #openstack-meeting for meetings | 19:10 |
spectorclan | dendrobates:good to know, will watch that as well. Plan to create an OpenStack calendar on the website with all events | 19:11 |
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zul | did someone say party? | 19:19 |
spectorclan | zul: planning a party just for developers at Summit in November, will you be there? | 19:19 |
zul | spectorclan: dont know yet...i have to see what the wife says | 19:20 |
spectorclan | zul: tell wife that this is the most important event ever and you can bring her a nice gift as a bribe to attend | 19:20 |
dendrobates | zul: she say's no | 19:20 |
creiht | hah | 19:20 |
dendrobates | spectorclan: in case you don't know zul was the xen maintainer for ubuntu | 19:21 |
zul | dendrobates: she already has an openstack t-shirt :) | 19:21 |
spectorclan | zul: how about an openstack design summit shirt?? these will be new | 19:21 |
spectorclan | zul: | 19:21 |
spectorclan | zul: should have known you when I worked on xen | 19:21 |
dendrobates | zul: I expect you to come. | 19:21 |
dendrobates | zul: We plan on doing a lot of running for trains | 19:23 |
zul | dendrobates: :P | 19:24 |
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zul | spectorclan: well ill think about it then :) | 19:26 |
spectorclan | zul: that's the spirit! I do plan to create a special deliverable at the event for developers and always am open to suggestions | 19:27 |
zul | spectorclan: free beer will probably help then :) | 19:27 |
zul | spectorclan: and no running for trains | 19:28 |
spectorclan | zul: yes lots of free beer | 19:28 |
dendrobates | zul: not too much, there's work to do. | 19:28 |
dendrobates | just enough | 19:28 |
dendrobates | ok, too much | 19:31 |
dendrobates | but it has to be shiner bock | 19:32 |
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spectorclan | I'm off for the weekend. We did hit 100 on Facebook Group. See you all next week. | 20:00 |
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creiht | must be tough being a community manager ;) | 20:07 |
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rlucio | soren: is there going to be a sqlalchemy 0.6.3 for lucid? the run_tests.py fails most tests now with trunk w/o it | 20:35 |
rlucio | deb i mean | 20:36 |
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soren | rlucio: Yes. | 20:41 |
soren | WEll, not in Ubuntu Lucid itself, but in the PPA, yes. | 20:41 |
rlucio | ok cool, any idea whether it will be "soon"? | 20:42 |
soren | rlucio: If I don't get to it today, then Monday. | 20:42 |
rlucio | soren: great, thanks! | 20:43 |
soren | I'm spending my Friday evening shouting at Xen. | 20:43 |
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rlucio | haha | 20:43 |
soren | kevnfx: I'm not sure what's going on with your euca-upload-bundle thing. | 20:47 |
soren | kevnfx: I can tell you it's got nothing to do with Nova. | 20:47 |
soren | kevnfx: ...and I can't reproduce it with my Ubuntu 10.10. | 20:47 |
kevnfx | soren: that's good ... perhaps I've corrupted my installation somehow. Let me reinstall from scratch and see if that cleans things up. Thanks! | 20:48 |
soren | kevnfx: That really shouldn't be necessary. | 20:49 |
soren | kevnfx: Try this: | 20:49 |
soren | Run: python -v | 20:49 |
soren | and at the prompt, type: | 20:49 |
soren | from boto.s3 import Connection | 20:49 |
soren | and copy the full output of that onto pastebin. | 20:49 |
kevnfx | soren: pastebin? sorry, I'm new here ... | 20:50 |
soren | http://www.pastebin.com/ | 20:50 |
soren | kevnfx: Copy the whole input into the big textbox, click submit, and paste the link to the resulting page here. | 20:51 |
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kevnfx | soren: cool ... it's at "http://pastebin.com/bMPh8hgP" | 20:54 |
soren | /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/boto-2.0b2-py2.6.egg/boto | 20:55 |
soren | ...clearly reveals you've installed boto 2.0 somehow. | 20:55 |
kevnfx | soren: so it looks like I have a 2.x version in place ... was this installed as part of 10.10? | 20:56 |
soren | PErhaps someone tricked you into some easy_install boto business. | 20:56 |
soren | kevnfx: No. 10.10 is at 1.9. | 20:56 |
kevnfx | that may be .... let me blow that away and try again ... thanks! | 20:56 |
soren | Sure. | 20:56 |
kevnfx | soren: Much better! Thanks for the python -v tutorial ... very helpful :-) | 20:58 |
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alekibango | soren: i would like to have debian packages. Do you think that i could just rebuild your source packages for squeeze? which ones? | 21:19 |
alekibango | or are there some squeeze packages of nova? | 21:21 |
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rlucio | the debian packaging branch is lp:~nova-core/nova/debian-packaging, its out of date right now though | 21:23 |
rlucio | not sure if its at all usable for your case, but that's all the deb pkg stuff i know about | 21:24 |
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alekibango | rlucio: thank you. forgot about that one... | 21:47 |
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rlucio | alekibango: np | 21:57 |
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alekibango | boto | 22:03 |
alekibango | oops :) wrong win | 22:03 |
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