Thursday, 2015-08-20

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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed openstack/zaqar: Add email driver for notification  https://review.openstack.org/20237411:48
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed openstack/zaqar: Make False as default value for `unreliable`  https://review.openstack.org/19982412:03
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flwangflaper87: ping12:22
therveflwang, Instead of using the sendmail command, couldn't we use a smtp directly?12:31
flwangtherve: hah12:32
therveI feel that specifying the smtp host would be easier for deployment12:32
flwangtherve: that's my original proposal12:32
therveflwang, What changed your mind?12:32
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flwangtherve: my plan is if can find the sendmail command or failed to send, then try to use smtp lib or something like that12:33
flwangor let use select which one he want to use12:34
therveflwang, But what's the benefit of using the sendmail command?12:34
flwangtherve: most of the other reviewers prefer to use sendmail12:34
therveHow many of them are there? :)12:34
vkmchi guys12:34
vkmcthere was a review exactly with the same concern therve12:34
vkmc:)12:34
vkmcand a response on that review12:34
flwangtherve: ^12:35
flwangvkmc: hi there12:35
vkmchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/202374/6/zaqar/notification/task/mailto.py,cm12:35
vkmctherve, ^12:35
flwangtherve: TBH, i don't have tendency for either way12:36
therveNot sure I agree with Clint on that12:37
therveI guess sendmail may take care of some queuing in better fashion12:37
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therveIt depends on how your SMTP server is configured12:37
therveI haven't used smtplib extensively, but I haven't heard about particular issues either12:40
vkmcgodlike, ^12:40
flwangtherve: i can see all your points :)12:40
flwangtherve: so i'm going to do the proposal i mentioned above12:41
flwangcheck the sendmail command or failed to send, then try to use smtp lib or something like that12:41
therveflwang, I guess my argument against using sendmail is that it's a system global configuration AFAIK12:41
therveSo if you have configured it for system emails for example, zaqar has to use that12:41
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flwangtherve: right12:41
therveWhich probably doesn't make sense if it goes to your users12:41
therveI'd be curious to hear Clint's arguments over than "SMTP is deceptively complex."12:42
flwangtherve: or i would say, the server which zaqar service is running on should be dedicated12:42
therveflwang, Right, which is not a particularly great requirement12:43
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed openstack/zaqar: Policy support  https://review.openstack.org/20991012:53
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openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed openstack/zaqar: Support signed URLs in WebSocket  https://review.openstack.org/21513413:44
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godliketherve: flwang I was the one who suggested to use smtplib and connect to an smtp directly :)15:58
godlikeactually, most things I've touched that used to send email generally have an option to connect to an SMTP server15:59
thervegodlike, That's how it was in the original proposal16:00
godlikehowever, I kinda make a living of analyzing smtp servers problems, so my views may be biased16:01
godlikeI thought clint made a valid point, the binary being a single point of entry. still the system would have needed to have something instaled (ssmtp, sendmail itself, postfix) that provided the binary, plus some configuration to relay the email properly16:03
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