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| spotz | diablo_rojo: If you want to lead today let me know | 16:49 |
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| SWDevAngel__ | hola | 20:00 |
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| SWDevAngel__ | spotz do you want to start the meeting? | 20:02 |
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| spotz | SWDevAngel__: yeah I'm on hold at work anyways apparently sorry | 20:03 |
| annabelleB | sorry i’m late! | 20:03 |
| SWDevAngel__ | no worries. I would have but not sure how | 20:03 |
| spotz | #startmeeting women_of_openstack | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 27 20:03:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: women_of_openstack)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'women_of_openstack' | 20:03 |
| SWDevAngel__ | no worries. Hi annabelleB :) | 20:03 |
| spotz | And I can't tell time anyways thought it was 3 still:) | 20:03 |
| SWDevAngel__ | We've all been there! ;) | 20:03 |
| spotz | #topic roll call | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: women_of_openstack)" | 20:03 | |
| annabelleB | o/ | 20:04 |
| SWDevAngel__ | For those that need it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_11_27_17 | 20:04 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_11_27_17 | 20:04 |
| SWDevAngel__ | oops sorry. Messed up that syntax! 😜 | 20:05 |
| spotz | hehe | 20:05 |
| spotz | I've got a rather short agenda as I didn't realize I was running the meeting until yesterday | 20:05 |
| spotz | #topic Feedback on IRC meetings? | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feedback on IRC meetings? (Meeting topic: women_of_openstack)" | 20:06 | |
| SWDevAngel__ | No worries. I wanted to ask about the Diversity Working Group (ironically, this is probably one of those agenda items that was better suited for the live phone call meeting) .... | 20:06 |
| SWDevAngel__ | I think to be fair (to the IRC meeting format) we shouldn't only use last meeting as the measuring stick. Many people were on vacation. | 20:07 |
| annabelleB | and it will take a while to transition :) | 20:07 |
| annabelleB | I vote to use it for a few months, at least through mid-March so it’s after another PTG, and see how it goes | 20:07 |
| SWDevAngel__ | We had fewer people than normal and I felt like the meeting took longer to accomplish what we could have done in half that time on the phone. Plus - I missed the phone personalities that come through, and no so much on text. But I agree we need more time to really assess. :) | 20:08 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: Yeah that's why I have possibly cancelling the next meeting on th agenda | 20:09 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Yes. Next meeting would be 12/11. Close to the holidays. | 20:09 |
| spotz | And erindisney I'd like to hit you up to maybe send out an email to women attendees at summit to invite them to join? | 20:10 |
| annabelleB | we could regroup post-holidays. maybe kick off by tackling the action items that came out of the WOO luncheon | 20:10 |
| SWDevAngel__ | So - rollcall, is it just you, me, Anne, Erin today? Anyone else? | 20:10 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: I think so | 20:10 |
| annabelleB | spotz: erindisney that’s a great idea. diablo_rojo and i were talking it up at the lunch, but a follow up would be great | 20:10 |
| erindisney | Yes absolutely, I know I talked to several women in Sydney that hadn't attended a meeting and needed to join the mailing list | 20:10 |
| annabelleB | maybe just the people who came to the lunch though, rather than all women | 20:11 |
| erindisney | love that idea | 20:11 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Okay - that's even less than last meeting. Probably the holidays have more to do with it than the IRC medium, but still... let's track it. | 20:11 |
| spotz | Well some of the feedback I got in my group was that we need to do those attendee blasts as many folks didn't know they were considered a WoO | 20:11 |
| SWDevAngel__ | That always surprises me. That someone would NOT think they were a WoO. As if it's some exclusive membership that you have to apply for. So yes, more awareness is good! :) | 20:12 |
| spotz | So we definitely have a wider audience then on the mailing list. Well the technical people didn't feel like part of the group cause of the phone meetings, sales and marketing folks don't think their part of the group at summit, etc | 20:13 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Well, we're now on IRC. Where are those technical peeps!?!?? ;) | 20:13 |
| SWDevAngel__ | (other than us of course. :) | 20:14 |
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| annabelleB | It’ll take time, and if we get some great content going, people will come back | 20:14 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: We need to blast again, with the first meeting being right after summit I didn't blast out and well I barely mailed for this one | 20:14 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Ironically, now that we're on IRC we might lose Beth, who was one of our most techy folks on the call! | 20:14 |
| spotz | It's a hard call because as an OpenStack group we should have been on IRC since the start | 20:15 |
| SWDevAngel__ | I'm only sort of kidding... I do think we need a few meetings that are NOT over the holidays to really assess it. | 20:15 |
| StaceyF | Hi everyone, StaceyF here, I'm doing CICD for the openstack-helm project | 20:15 |
| annabelleB | hi StaceyF! nice, i’m super excited about ohelm! | 20:15 |
| spotz | Hey StaceyF welcome! | 20:16 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Hi StaceyF | 20:16 |
| * SWDevAngel__ waves | 20:16 | |
| StaceyF | :) | 20:16 |
| annabelleB | i think diablo_rojo is still on vacation for the mentoring update…do we want to move to the diversity working group update? | 20:17 |
| SWDevAngel__ | yes please | 20:17 |
| spotz | But yeah let's give it a few meetings, we'll most likely cancel the rest of the year and do an email blast to attendees (maybe include any early PTG registrants as well) | 20:17 |
| spotz | Ok ok:) | 20:17 |
| spotz | #topic Diversity WG | 20:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Diversity WG (Meeting topic: women_of_openstack)" | 20:17 | |
| spotz | Ok o I'm getting the band back together as they say | 20:18 |
| spotz | I don't think we need to formally aplly to be rechartered and if we do I'll work on that this weekend | 20:18 |
| spotz | Join #openstack-diversity and the foundation@mailing list | 20:18 |
| spotz | This weel I hope to put a doodle to a meeting scheduled and hoepfully this week we'll get the bot back on channel | 20:19 |
| spotz | Can't type when I'm cold apparently:) | 20:20 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Okay. Sounds like things are moving. I'll get on that mailing list. | 20:20 |
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| spotz | Yeah besides gauging interest to see if we should restart I haven't moved forward due to the holidays and a deadline. But I'm hoping we can get one meeting in before the end of the year. | 20:21 |
| spotz | I also don't want to have good conversations on the channel and lose them due to no logging | 20:21 |
| spotz | I'll poke in infra channel see if I can't get another +2 and a workflow | 20:22 |
| spotz | erindisney: Would you be a good contact to get a hold of the old stuff? I can try to get it off my saved email box but new computer/company/etc | 20:23 |
| spotz | Oh fungi also gave me some elevated permissions for this channel and diversity if we have any issues | 20:24 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Okay - how come I can never find the link to join the mailing lists from the openstack.org site? Where am I supposed to be looking (I know I find them eventually but can never remember how I get there!) | 20:25 |
| spotz | lists.openstack.org | 20:25 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Okay. I will post that on the etherpad also. | 20:25 |
| spotz | After the meeting I'll put the links to the meeting logs there:) | 20:25 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Ummm... is it just me? Or.... I don't see the Diversity WG as an option on that mailing list list | 20:26 |
| spotz | foundation mailing list | 20:27 |
| erindisney | spotz: Ping me after this so I understand exactly what you are needing on that front | 20:27 |
| spotz | I think because the WG falls under the board we just used that one | 20:27 |
| spotz | erindisney: Will do, mainly looking for the old survey and results | 20:27 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Oh. 😐 It's likely that I'm already on that one, but I'll apply again just in case. | 20:28 |
| spotz | Anything else we want to touch on for that? | 20:28 |
| annabelleB | doesn’t sound like it :) | 20:30 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Okay - I've applied. We'll see if @jbryce and @sparkycollier approve it! 😂 | 20:30 |
| spotz | Foundation not the board one:) | 20:30 |
| SWDevAngel__ | That's who it said runs it. | 20:31 |
| spotz | Ahh | 20:31 |
| spotz | Ok so does anyone feel like we shouldn't cancel the December meetings and start fresh with the new year? | 20:31 |
| SWDevAngel__ | So unless they have an "auto approve" set up I'm awaitin' on their "blessings" 😂 | 20:32 |
| spotz | I don't think we need an official vote/poll for cancelling | 20:32 |
| SWDevAngel__ | I'm cool with cancelling. I'm pretty slammed in Dec and then travel, so, yeah... | 20:32 |
| spotz | Going once... | 20:32 |
| spotz | Going twice... | 20:33 |
| spotz | Going three times.... | 20:33 |
| SWDevAngel__ | 😂 | 20:33 |
| spotz | Ok meetings cancelled for December:) | 20:33 |
| spotz | #topice Open Discussion | 20:34 |
| spotz | #topic Open Discussion | 20:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: women_of_openstack)" | 20:34 | |
| spotz | helps if you don't typo:) Anyone have anything they want to discuss? | 20:34 |
| annabelleB | the notes that came out of the summit luncheon were close to becoming tangible things we could do as part of WOO | 20:34 |
| annabelleB | do we have any idea of how we want to take those from discussion notes to assigned action items? | 20:35 |
| annabelleB | (and maybe this is part of january, or december “homework” that we all bring to the january meeting) | 20:35 |
| spotz | annabelleB: Do you have a link to them all? I don't and we tried to discuss them last week | 20:35 |
| annabelleB | spotz: lemme look | 20:35 |
| spotz | annabelleB: Sweet | 20:35 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Are the notes published on an Etherpad? If anyone has the link, it would be handy to post it. :) | 20:35 |
| * SWDevAngel__ yes - what she said (she types faster than me. ;) | 20:36 | |
| annabelleB | yup, two seconds, digging digging | 20:36 |
| spotz | There were lots of take aways(todos) from my group including email blasts with help from erindisney and having the friendly faces meetups at the start of summit/ptg | 20:36 |
| annabelleB | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_Sydney_Networking_Lunch | 20:36 |
| SWDevAngel__ | +1 on the friendly faces. that keeps coming up | 20:36 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: Yeah they weren't on the main etherpad from the event so couldn't find them | 20:37 |
| SWDevAngel__ | annabelleB is OSSUM! | 20:37 |
| SWDevAngel__ | thanks! | 20:37 |
| spotz | I just stopped when it got swallowed up by speed mentoring in Austin | 20:37 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_Sydney_Networking_Lunch | 20:37 |
| spotz | But friendly faces and maybe the greeters as well should be revidited in Vancouver and depending on who's going Dublin | 20:38 |
| annabelleB | where there things about past friendly faces that should be changed to make it more effective before it’s reimplemented? It seemed like it slowly went away—want to meet the demand but take out the things that weren’t working | 20:39 |
| spotz | Friendly faces really just needs a meeting place, maybe with some chairs and coffee | 20:40 |
| spotz | annabelleB: We held it in Tokyo have some folks attend, Austin it got swallowed up and maybe we didn't advertise it as well or at all? | 20:40 |
| spotz | It was really just a way to have folks meetup and get to know atleast one other person. I did it less informally at Google I/O and it was a hit for the other first time conference goers | 20:41 |
| annabelleB | I wonder if “mobile friendly faces” would be effective…The point is to be able to identify someone you can ask questions to, get to know, etc, right? Maybe there’s some sort of identifier that signals that you’re a WOO Friendly Face? | 20:42 |
| SWDevAngel__ | We did a REALLY informal version in Barcelona and literally just greeted women at registration and handed out fliers of all the events, and stickers. It worked pretty well. | 20:42 |
| amrith | oink? | 20:43 |
| spotz | annabelleB: SWDevAngel__ That was the original thought of the greeters which wasn't just for women but came out of some feedback at the last Diversity WG session in Austin | 20:43 |
| spotz | annabelleB: You mean like at Open Source Summit? I signed up but thought that was a little creeepy to be honest | 20:44 |
| annabelleB | Oh were there special people there? I didn’t notice… | 20:44 |
| annabelleB | (and should have been a target ;) ) | 20:44 |
| SWDevAngel__ | We put the big WOO stickers on the front of people's badges. It worked well enough. A bunch of people pointed people to me for questions. I kept hearing "so-in-so told me to come find you" (mostly from the male advocates who I jammed stickers into the FRONT of their badges). Everyone wanted to know where they got those. It worked. :) | 20:44 |
| spotz | annabelleB: It was an app and you could 'swipe' to meet folks.... | 20:44 |
| * SWDevAngel__ in barca that is | 20:44 | |
| annabelleB | spotz: oh no no, that app was awful. more like what SWDevAngel__ is talking about | 20:45 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: Yeah so that was the greeters program:) | 20:45 |
| spotz | annabelleB: ^ | 20:45 |
| annabelleB | The role of a greeter, but keeping it throughout the week with some sort of thing that yells “Approach Me, I’m Approachable” | 20:45 |
| SWDevAngel__ | oh yeah - sorry - I always mix those two thigns | 20:45 |
| SWDevAngel__ | things | 20:45 |
| annabelleB | versus doing a sit down meetup just once during the week | 20:46 |
| spotz | annabelleB: So we originally talked about thirts, scarves, etc. But then it became set greeter times and locations | 20:46 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Beth, Nithya, and I took the greeter thing to another level... we kept it going and I was literally walking around with stickers, Beth with flyers, for the first two days. We met a lot of people who didn't know about WOO before. | 20:46 |
| spotz | I usually attach my mentor hat to my backpack so folks can find and flag me down | 20:46 |
| annabelleB | SWDevAngel__: that sounds like it worked really well | 20:46 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Scarves is a cool idea | 20:46 |
| SWDevAngel__ | yes, it worked well in Barca because we had the LARGE woo stickers. the ones in Syd were so cute (and great for laptops and phones) but a bit small to really stand out on a badge | 20:47 |
| spotz | SO greeters definitely sounds like worth doing again and try to get a BIG identifier for folks walking around. Friedly Faces is something smaller either the night before or morning of the first day | 20:48 |
| annabelleB | So sounds like we need to 1) pick some WOO ambassadors for Vancouver 2) give you lots of stickers and some info | 20:48 |
| annabelleB | we could leave it up to the WOO Vancouver ambassadors to organize the FF meeting :) | 20:48 |
| spotz | annabelleB: Yeah alot of folks didn't know there were WoO stickers at the Foundation area, and as much as I was there they weren't out all the time either | 20:48 |
| annabelleB | more stickers. check. | 20:49 |
| spotz | I do love my vanagon stickers:) | 20:49 |
| SWDevAngel__ | +1 on more stickers. :) | 20:49 |
| spotz | So we definitely have more then a few things to bring back/implement from the working lunch | 20:50 |
| annabelleB | yeah, there were some good meeting content ideas in there. I particularly liked the one about the various career paths you can take, and how to not get thrown in a managerial track if you don’t want that | 20:50 |
| spotz | And I think if we ask for volunteers to help it might help increase membership/attendance. We seem to have bigger meetings when we're planning stuff | 20:50 |
| spotz | 9 minute warning | 20:51 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Here's a random question. Does anyone know anyone in the Chicago area who would like to take over that user group? Joe stepped down, and we stepped in just to save the group but we don't have any Ambassadors in the area and are looking for someone local that we can transfer it to. | 20:52 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: I can ask around. I know I've talked to aprice about maybe helping the Austin group out it wasn't very OpenStacky when I went:( | 20:53 |
| spotz | only so many hours in the day though:( | 20:54 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Great. And YES, Austin is another group on life support. Maybe you should take it over. ;) | 20:54 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Yes I know. Believe me, I know! ;) | 20:54 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Trying to start up the Tampa group also. I think I have someone to run it, and now Shilla is our East Coast Ambassador so hopefully she can help it get some life. | 20:55 |
| aprice | Have we put anything on the community ML about the Chicago opening? | 20:55 |
| spotz | After my deadline I'll reach out to Allison and see about maybe an i nformal event to get folks together and go from there | 20:55 |
| SWDevAngel__ | John Studarus and I are trying to "franchise" some of what we do in California, to help out some of the other geos that don't have as many resources. | 20:55 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: Sounds like a repo or something that can be shared? | 20:56 |
| spotz | 4 minute warning not that there's another meeting behind us on the channel:) | 20:56 |
| SWDevAngel__ | @aprice I found out about it from that email that went around, so I posted it on our Ambassadors Slack Channel. John and Stacy saw it and stepped in. John will hold it until we can transfer it. | 20:57 |
| aprice | yeah, I was thinking that if we wanted someone to step in for the user group coordinator position, we could open it up to the community, knowing that John is only planning to manage temporarily | 20:58 |
| SWDevAngel__ | @spotz yes, we're working on that. First we're trying to organize a list of all the CURRENT and ACTIVE user group leaders, as part of the Ambassador program. That will help us get these things organizes. Sonia is helping (from Oz) and we're trying to keep this all on Lauren's radar. :) | 20:58 |
| * diablo_rojo_phon sneaks in late | 20:58 | |
| SWDevAngel__ | @aprice I think Lauren has an open rec for that. Sonia is doing her best and we're trying to help. :) | 20:59 |
| * diablo_rojo_phon needs to update calendar meetings with new daylight savings times.. | 20:59 | |
| spotz | diablo_rojo_phon: You're just a bum admit it!:) | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | That too. | 21:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And very very jetlagged. | 21:00 |
| ekhugen | sorry I was totally thinking this meeting started at 4 | 21:00 |
| SWDevAngel__ | No worries. Hi everyone! | 21:01 |
| * SWDevAngel__ waves... goodbye... | 21:01 | |
| aprice | SWDevAngel_: yeah, all of the help is greatly appreciated. Hopefully we will be able to identify someone soon :) | 21:01 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Yes, good luck. And yes, putting it on the community ML would be awesome! :) | 21:01 |
| spotz | And on the plus side, they probably weren't having a meeting in December?:) | 21:02 |
| SWDevAngel__ | They've had like ONE over the past year. It's been pretty sparse | 21:02 |
| spotz | hey ekhugen | 21:02 |
| spotz | Ok yeah so a list of which user groups are out there and their status would probably be a good place to start, maybe even before reaching out to the community in case there are others? | 21:03 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Our next two meetups will be GREAT btw, if any of you are in the SF Bay Area. We're at VMware this Wednesday. Dustin Kirkland (Ubuntu) will speak about openstack, containers, and maximizing dev potential. We're live streaming it if you can't make it in person. Check our meetup page. THEN in Dec we have Randy Bias speaking about DevOps and SaaP. Gonna be a good one too! :) Come hang with us! :) :) :) | 21:03 |
| ekhugen | sounds cool! | 21:04 |
| SWDevAngel__ | @spotz yep - that's on our Ambassador agenda. :) | 21:04 |
| spotz | I've still go the log running if ekhugen or diablo_rojo_phon have a mentoring update?:) | 21:04 |
| ekhugen | I don’t, I was going to ask how the speed mentoring session in sydney went? | 21:04 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It's definitely time for some more one month check instead. | 21:04 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | *Ins | 21:04 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | They are on the Todo list with everything else from the summit. | 21:05 |
| ekhugen | diablo_rojo_phon would you like me to help with those? | 21:05 |
| spotz | I checked with mine after summit, she hadn't installed OpenStack yet. Her goal is to learn ops and get certified | 21:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ekhugen: had a decent turn out. A lot of other people ended up setting up camp in the room though since there was lunch in it.b | 21:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ekhugen: would love the help if you have the time :) | 21:06 |
| spotz | ekhugen: Yeah we had folks eating lunch and only maybe half of the mentees showed up? | 21:06 |
| spotz | Those that did I think had some good mentoring:) | 21:06 |
| ekhugen | aww, that’s disappointing, but good that there were at least some connections made? | 21:06 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Tons of mentors though which was nice. | 21:06 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yes definitely made some good connections. | 21:07 |
| spotz | Defintely worth doing again in Vancouver | 21:07 |
| ekhugen | diablo_rojo_phon just send out an email to all the people on the list for queens_matches? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jsS3HJgwWU8K28i3QwDIghaaLM2v5mbCXV8A5WlhZDE/edit#gid=1256566342 since we haven’t checked in with them in awhile? | 21:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yeah that works. I know there are a dozen or so that this would be the first check in. So, so long as there isn't any specific wording around that it should be fine. | 21:09 |
| ekhugen | okay, I’ll get that sent in the next few days | 21:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thank you! | 21:10 |
| ekhugen | yw! get some rest and recover from jetlag! | 21:10 |
| spotz | Ok anyone have anything else for this meeting? Otherwise I'm going to end the logging for the meeting | 21:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I don't think so. | 21:13 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Oh yay! jbryce's bot accepted my list request! 😂 | 21:13 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: hehehe | 21:14 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Women of OpenStack | Welcome all! | Code of conduct: https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/" | 21:14 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 27 21:14:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/women_of_openstack/2017/women_of_openstack.2017-11-27-20.03.html | 21:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/women_of_openstack/2017/women_of_openstack.2017-11-27-20.03.txt | 21:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/women_of_openstack/2017/women_of_openstack.2017-11-27-20.03.log.html | 21:14 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Okay - thanks y'all! Catch ya in Jan! | 21:14 |
| * SWDevAngel__ waves bye for reals this time! ;) | 21:14 | |
| * SWDevAngel__ happy holidays! happy and safe new years, etc! | 21:15 | |
| spotz | ok links added to the etherpad for folks to catch up. I won't lie I had to start recording while we were meeting:( Will be more active after Thursday | 21:16 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel__: Safe travels ! | 21:16 |
| SWDevAngel__ | Thanks! And no worries. That's ONE benefit of IRC meetings. ;) | 21:17 |
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| spotz | Yep:) And while lot we had a few more attendees:) | 21:22 |
| spotz | late even | 21:22 |
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