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| shamail | Hi everyone | 16:02 |
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| shamail | Ping mrhillsman VW | 16:05 |
| VW | sir, yes sir! | 16:05 |
| mrhillsman | hey | 16:05 |
| shamail | Are we having the meeting today or is my calendar giving me the wrong info? | 16:06 |
| mrhillsman | yes, 1800UTC? | 16:06 |
| mrhillsman | at least i thought 1800 | 16:06 |
| VW | that's what the wiki had for even weeks | 16:06 |
| shamail | So 2 hours from now? | 16:06 |
| VW | yes, sir | 16:07 |
| shamail | Awesome, thanks!! | 16:07 |
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| zioproto | hello | 17:56 |
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| VW | howdy | 17:57 |
| shamail | Hi VW | 17:58 |
| VW | t minus two minutes until we dance | 17:58 |
| shamail | ++ | 17:59 |
| shamail | I am in two meetings at once | 17:59 |
| VW | I'll kick us off | 17:59 |
| VW | #startmeeting uc | 18:00 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 8 18:00:20 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 18:00 |
| VW | #chair mrhillsman shamail zioproto | 18:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: VW mrhillsman shamail zioproto | 18:00 |
| shamail | o7 | 18:00 |
| VW | agenda published here: | 18:01 |
| VW | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 18:01 |
| VW | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
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| VW | o/ | 18:01 |
| shamail | o/ | 18:01 |
| zioproto | here I am | 18:02 |
| aprice | o/ | 18:02 |
| shamail | hi zioproto & aprice | 18:02 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 18:02 |
| shamail | Happy New Year aprice | 18:02 |
| jamesmcarthur | o/ | 18:02 |
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| shamail | Hi jamesmcarthur, mrhillsman, and lsell | 18:03 |
| VW | Awesome - looks like we have a full house | 18:03 |
| VW | moving on to the agenda | 18:03 |
| aprice | happy new year | 18:03 |
| jamesmcarthur | hi all! | 18:03 |
| VW | #topic Election Kickoff | 18:03 |
| zioproto | Happy new year everyone | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Election Kickoff (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:03 | |
| VW | So, the uc members had a quick video call last week. One of the things we wanted to get a good start on was prepping for the UC elections next month | 18:04 |
| VW | Our target for announcing results is 2/18 | 18:04 |
| zioproto | We needed to find the election chairs, right ? | 18:05 |
| VW | i have an open action to send out requests for election officials. Does anyone happen to have a copy of an email asking for the same from a previous election | 18:05 |
| VW | I combed through all of mine with no luck | 18:05 |
| aprice | VW: i have a copy of the email that I can send to the UC members from the July election | 18:06 |
| VW | I'm happy to send it. I just wanted to verify audience/content/etc | 18:07 |
| VW | will you forward that to me and I'll get something out today | 18:07 |
| aprice | VW: yep | 18:07 |
| VW | sweet | 18:07 |
| mrhillsman | cool, i was off looking for a copy | 18:07 |
| VW | #action VW to email UC today for election chairs | 18:07 |
| VW | I will probably need your help aprice in arming those chairs with the mechanics of running the election | 18:08 |
| VW | but we'll touch base on all that over the next couple of weeks, I'm sure | 18:08 |
| mrhillsman | quite a few things in Tom's email (links) | 18:09 |
| mrhillsman | from the February election last year as well | 18:09 |
| VW | yeah - I need to digest that as well. Step one is clearly getting the officials | 18:09 |
| mrhillsman | what will be our nomination period and voting period? | 18:09 |
| mrhillsman | safe to say nomination is the week before the 18th | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | 11-17th? | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | sorry | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | voting | 18:10 |
| shamail | dont we want to annouce on 18th? | 18:10 |
| shamail | ah ok | 18:10 |
| VW | yeah | 18:10 |
| lsell | we might need to lean on spotz and ed leafe regarding the role of election officials, because we (foundation staff other than tom) didn't have as much visibility into that, but we can definitely help run the actual election | 18:10 |
| VW | when Matt Jarvis I were officials last Feb, he did most of the work on the poll setup etc | 18:11 |
| mrhillsman | we discussed leaving it open for community to volunteer for officials but agreed as well we will need to lean on some who have already done it | 18:11 |
| mrhillsman | i believe spotz and ed are quite familiar | 18:11 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'm talking with jbryce about this as well to make sure we're following bylaws and such. | 18:11 |
| jamesmcarthur | Happy to help out where I can. | 18:12 |
| lsell | yes, and i think spotz might want to run, but she could still help get the new election officials up to speed | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | oh, true | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | i think she wanted to last time | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | i think emphasizing the if you officiate you cannot run is important too | 18:13 |
| VW | absolutely | 18:13 |
| mrhillsman | i did not realize that and almost signed up to do so last feb :) | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | I will work on gathering the AUC list for electorate purposes. | 18:14 |
| mrhillsman | it would be good for us to capture that down somewhere too | 18:14 |
| VW | thank you jamesmcarthur | 18:14 |
| mrhillsman | thx jamesmcarthur | 18:14 |
| VW | #action jamesmcarthur work on AUC list for elections | 18:14 |
| lsell | in regards to the timeline, i would allow at least two weeks for nominations...we had to communicate about it quite a bit last year | 18:14 |
| VW | good call out | 18:14 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 18:14 |
| VW | so, tentatively, nominations from the 28th of Jan through 9th of Feb | 18:15 |
| VW | elections 11 - 16th | 18:15 |
| VW | announce by the 18th | 18:15 |
| zioproto | sounds like a plan | 18:15 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:15 |
| zioproto | :) | 18:15 |
| lsell | i like it except for the sundays :) | 18:16 |
| VW | happy to change dates | 18:16 |
| VW | we just targeted 2/18 as something to shoot for | 18:16 |
| jamesmcarthur | Yeah, I would suggest moving to Monday | 18:16 |
| jamesmcarthur | Just to give people the full weekend to vote, nominate, etc... | 18:16 |
| jamesmcarthur | And puts our communications on target for first thing of the work week. | 18:17 |
| VW | OK, so 29th - 11th for noms | 18:17 |
| VW | 12 - 18th for election | 18:17 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:17 |
| VW | publish/announce results on 19th? | 18:17 |
| jamesmcarthur | +1 | 18:17 |
| VW | groovy. We'll most likely be discussing again next week (and the weeks after), but in the spirit of getting through the agenda, anything else election related? | 18:18 |
| VW | will take silence as OK to move on :) | 18:19 |
| mrhillsman | what i can do to help is modify the links tom provided (non election official related) to be generic so they can be ready to go out | 18:19 |
| VW | #action mrhillsman to update links provided by Tom | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | create a sub wiki page for how to do elections | 18:20 |
| VW | love it | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | and add them to it, idk, something to make it easier next time ;) | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 18:21 |
| mrhillsman | nothing more from me | 18:21 |
| zioproto | should this be a wiki page, or some Markdown text in the governance wiki repo ? | 18:21 |
| zioproto | governance git repo | 18:21 |
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| mrhillsman | i'll just wiki it for now until UC signs off | 18:21 |
| mrhillsman | then i think that totally makes sense zioproto | 18:21 |
| zioproto | ok, I mean here: https://github.com/openstack/governance | 18:22 |
| mrhillsman | but UC can decide later, just want to capture it for some future proofing | 18:22 |
| zioproto | sure | 18:22 |
| VW | agreed. OK - let's keep rolling. Still have lots to cover. We'll revisit elections next week | 18:22 |
| VW | #topic PTG goals | 18:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG goals (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:23 | |
| VW | do we have any :) | 18:23 |
| VW | I think mrhillsman is our lone UC rep | 18:23 |
| mrhillsman | unfortunately i will not make it to the ops meetup in Tokyo but will be at PTG | 18:23 |
| mrhillsman | this was tied to that but if we can/do have some for ptg, i can still push them | 18:24 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'm not a UC member, but I will be at the PTG if I can assist at all. | 18:24 |
| mrhillsman | emagana did mention something from our meeting so i will have to go back and review | 18:25 |
| jamesmcarthur | Happy to represent interests if there are relevant topics to weigh in on. | 18:25 |
| lsell | small aside, there will be an in person board meeting at PTG either Sunday or Monday, so would be good to have UC representation there | 18:25 |
| VW | yes - that ^ | 18:25 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, that also | 18:25 |
| jamesmcarthur | One thing I think we should consider from the UC perspective is the Release Cycle | 18:25 |
| VW | would love to be present, but seriously doubt I'll talk anyone here into letting me go | 18:25 |
| mrhillsman | well, we have webex, though in person is better | 18:25 |
| lsell | PTG travel support deadline is January 25th! | 18:26 |
| mrhillsman | i can lead this piece VW since i will be present | 18:26 |
| mrhillsman | speaking of which, does UC get a complimentary ticket to the PTG? | 18:26 |
| mrhillsman | i got a code last time but i think it was because of atc | 18:27 |
| mrhillsman | other than that i am set to be in there | 18:27 |
| lsell | that's a good question. we'll check. basically the PTG is $100, but if you attend, you get a free summit code | 18:27 |
| jamesmcarthur | ATCs don't get a free PTG pass. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to pay for the event ;) | 18:27 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok, thought it was more, let me know and i will work it out :) | 18:28 |
| mrhillsman | very true jamesmcarthur | 18:28 |
| mrhillsman | i may have paid last time, but anywho, i'll be there | 18:28 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman create draft UC presentation for joint meeting at PTG | 18:28 |
| mrhillsman | i'll email everyone the draft and ask for feedback on extra items outside of the joint meeting | 18:29 |
| VW | sounds great | 18:29 |
| VW | ok - anything else PTG related? | 18:30 |
| zioproto | talking about the PTG. I was shocked how the ops community pushed to keep the ops midcycle far and separated from the PTG. It looks to me it was a move to have the ops identity stronger recognized. But it is also a sign of two groups in the broader community. I just wanted to share this thought. | 18:30 |
| mrhillsman | maybe that sounded a bit much, i'll draft the initial outline based on past stuff with generic items we discuss and we can work on specifics we would like to carry | 18:30 |
| mrhillsman | i think that fits in next topic well zioproto | 18:31 |
| VW | yeah | 18:31 |
| zioproto | I think something we can organize at the PTG is a session on tools for user involvement. Starting from opening a ticket correctly on Launchpad with the correct tags. | 18:32 |
| zioproto | Something that I see is missing is how devs get feedback from users in design thigs | 18:32 |
| zioproto | do you see Matt Riedmann emails on :"what about if we do this" | 18:32 |
| zioproto | I think a tool to collect that feedback is better then email on mailing lists | 18:32 |
| zioproto | I am thinking of something like mini-survey | 18:33 |
| zioproto | so when I dev is not sure if a change is really users-supported or user-important, can use this tool to get the feedback | 18:33 |
| jamesmcarthur | zioproto: Right, part of the problem we have now is that most users don't know how to get engaged, especially wouldn't think to come to the dev mailing list. | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | topic change? | 18:33 |
| jamesmcarthur | zioproto: getting them to StoryBoard (since we're moving off of launchpad) is a solid idea. | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | just for log purposes | 18:34 |
| zioproto | jamesmcarthur: yes, that is a great thing. I did not into storyboard my self. Maybe I should start myself :) | 18:34 |
| lsell | I think this leads into the bigger strategic initiatives for the user committee and probably a bigger planning session...how can you branch out beyond the 1% of operators who are currently actively involved and reach more users, connect them and get their feedback into the community? | 18:34 |
| zioproto | #action: zioproto look into storyboard with the longer term goal of spreading the adoption of the tool | 18:35 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Including regional meet-up groups/work with Ambassadors | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Including regional meet-up groups/work with Ambassadors (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:35 | |
| zioproto | How are we in touch with these Ambassadors ? they are all on the UC mailing list ? | 18:35 |
| mrhillsman | agree 100% we definitely should have a larger/bigger planning session | 18:35 |
| mrhillsman | include ambassadors? | 18:36 |
| mrhillsman | as i understand user groups -> ambassadors -> uc should be the ideal flow in a very general sense | 18:36 |
| emagana | Hello! Sorry for late joining but I am finally here! | 18:36 |
| aprice | zioproto: typically the ambassadors use the community mailing list, and we also have Sonia at the Foundation who has been working closely with the ambassadors | 18:37 |
| emagana | I missed everything so far? :-) | 18:37 |
| jamesmcarthur | Seems like tying these meetups to OpenStack Days is a good opportunity to catch new users and be an easy way to get regional Ambassadors there. | 18:37 |
| mrhillsman | yeah we have discussed this (not just UC i mean) a few times in the past 6 months | 18:37 |
| VW | agreed, but how can we as a committee guide the output of those meet-up groups/regional meetings into things like forum submissions etc | 18:38 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:38 |
| VW | I think that is such a useful way for us to bring value to those groups | 18:39 |
| shamail | And also leverage them for getting feedback on real-time topics in the upstream community | 18:39 |
| mrhillsman | yep, i think that is crux | 18:39 |
| VW | true shamail | 18:39 |
| VW | afk for 2 minutes | 18:39 |
| mrhillsman | so seems like we need to dedicate a meeting or two to this? | 18:39 |
| mrhillsman | maybe get something started in an asynchronous way so we are not limited to Monday time slots on? | 18:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | Could we organize a UC planning meeting at some point in the near future? | 18:40 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: +2 | 18:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | If we set it up a the PTG, would that allow UC committee members easier leeway on travel? | 18:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | It feels like our time at the Summit was brief and we have a lot of strategic matters to cover. | 18:41 |
| mrhillsman | agree with you jamesmcarthur | 18:41 |
| emagana | jamesmcarthur: I think so. It helps to justify the traveling. | 18:41 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 18:42 |
| mrhillsman | even though that window is tight right now | 18:42 |
| mrhillsman | but we should/could and if it is too late for some, zoom? | 18:43 |
| jamesmcarthur | sure | 18:43 |
| jamesmcarthur | I think real life meetings are helpful... | 18:43 |
| VW | indeed | 18:43 |
| jamesmcarthur | But I also think the timing (soon) is important | 18:43 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 18:43 |
| VW | and if you look at the next two agenda items, there are clearly some very strategic things we have to sort | 18:44 |
| VW | not just the regional piece | 18:44 |
| VW | but to roll it all up, how best can we mobilize and advocate for users across the globe - and possibly across many projects of which OpenStack is one | 18:45 |
| lsell | +1 | 18:46 |
| mrhillsman | https://docs.google.com/document/d/19DhGbvO-WfQKG5MJEUqQ2xfVBFZYjOR8H7JvfQNHUA0/edit | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cfXkCE1T1zYJLnkY9Heeupbpebo_Pysx < folder | 18:47 |
| VW | so, Time check - we have 14 minutes left. Do we want to cover specific points of agenda items 5 and 6, or are we shifting to trying to get the band together in person - as early as the PTG | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | we only have a ^ | 18:47 |
| jamesmcarthur | Google doc is read only mrhillsamn | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | fixed, sorry | 18:48 |
| jamesmcarthur | np | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | I think you summed up 4,5,and6 well with your one-liner VW | 18:48 |
| * VW drops the mic | 18:49 | |
| mrhillsman | which we can carry via that document | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 18:49 |
| emagana | I will discuss with my management team to make the trip to the PTG. | 18:50 |
| VW | OK - so, while everyone is focused on the doc now :P, I'll put on my meeting manager hat and ask if there is anything else we want to cover | 18:51 |
| mrhillsman | i like the key focus | 18:51 |
| mrhillsman | nothing more from me sir | 18:51 |
| VW | #topic Other Business | 18:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other Business (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:51 | |
| VW | Foundation folks. Any other topics you want to cover? | 18:52 |
| lsell | Just wanted to give a heads up that Thierry Carrez posted a blog about spectre and meltdown today and what it means for OpenStack users...if anyone here has thoughts or anything to add, I'm sure he'd welcome it, or we can incorporate into an article for Superuser magazine https://ttx.re/openstack-spectre-meltdown-faq.html | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | oh | 18:53 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'll just say hi and that I'll be taking on a new role as a Foundation Liason for the UC and users in general. | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | the summary document | 18:53 |
| VW | argh - just when I thought I'd get through one meeting today that didn't cover that ;) | 18:53 |
| lsell | sorry! :) | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | shamail sent out a reminder about the yearly review doc | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | just wanted to be sure to mention that, thx shamail | 18:54 |
| emagana | +1 | 18:54 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'll be assuming a lot of the duties that Tom did previously. I've already done quite a bit of work with the User Survey and assisting with AUC pieces. | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | and apologize that we missed the deadline lsell et al | 18:54 |
| emagana | jamesmcarthur: Thanks James! That will be very helpful for the community | 18:54 |
| jamesmcarthur | If I can assist y'all in any way, please don't hesitate to reach out. | 18:55 |
| zioproto | lsell: we published this for our openstack users https://help.switch.ch/engines/status/meltdown-spectre/ | 18:55 |
| mrhillsman | really appreciate it jamesmcarthur and looking forward to working with you more closely | 18:55 |
| jamesmcarthur | (and sorry that I stepped in the middle of the Spectre announcement) | 18:55 |
| lsell | thanks zioproto! | 18:55 |
| VW | no worries jamesmcarthur "stepped in it" and spectre/meltdown go together quite well :D | 18:56 |
| jamesmcarthur | indeed | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | going to have to run to another meeting | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | ttyl | 18:56 |
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| emagana | dealing with so much of spectre/meltdown recently... | 18:57 |
| zioproto | bye everyone, thanks for the meeting | 18:57 |
| emagana | we have to patch both guest and hosts! | 18:57 |
| VW | me too emagana - me too | 18:57 |
| VW | ok, I've updated the agenda for next week | 18:57 |
| emagana | Thank you mrhillsman zioproto shamail and VM for leading the conversation! | 18:57 |
| VW | specifically to add a revisit of the planning meeting. UC folks, can you try and he thumbs up / thumbs down for travel by then? | 18:58 |
| emagana | Thank you Foundation folks for attending. lsell and jamesmcarthur (I am probably missing folks) :-( | 18:58 |
| jamesmcarthur | aprice :) | 18:58 |
| jamesmcarthur | Thanks all! Happy Monday. | 18:58 |
| lsell | thank y'all! | 18:58 |
| VW | Don't forget US folks - next week is the "early" meeting | 18:58 |
| VW | 1400 UTC | 18:59 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:59 |
| VW | alright, well please add any other agenda items to the wiki if you would like to discuss | 18:59 |
| VW | otherwise, we'll be back here next Monday | 18:59 |
| VW | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 8 19:00:08 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-01-08-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-01-08-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-01-08-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| VW | now for lunch - finally :) | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | ;) | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | after this meeting | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | jason's deli in my future | 19:00 |
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| mrhillsman | has anyone heard uberconference hold music? | 19:02 |
| mrhillsman | it is hilarious | 19:02 |
| mrhillsman | i had to record it and will definitely be uploading | 19:02 |
| lsell | just confirmed the board meeting at the PTG will be on Monday, not Sunday | 19:24 |
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| mrhillsman | thx lsell | 21:23 |
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