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| sonali5 | ? | 07:20 |
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| amrith | sushilkm_, my question was this. if you like, I can work on the root-disable thing. | 13:32 |
| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/trove: Send up guest agent logs over the conductor channel to trove controller https://review.openstack.org/237710 | 13:33 |
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| amrith | pmackinn, g'morning | 16:08 |
| amrith | when you get a chance, would like to chat re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256079/ | 16:08 |
| pmackinn | amrith, g'day | 16:12 |
| pmackinn | amrith, shirley | 16:12 |
| amrith | pmackinn, temple | 16:12 |
| amrith | but I thought that was our safe-word. | 16:12 |
| amrith | what's shaking? | 16:13 |
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| pmackinn | amrith, my -1? figured it might cost me a future +1 | 16:17 |
| amrith | well, I was thinking a finger or three. | 16:17 |
| pmackinn | lol | 16:17 |
| amrith | Guido was dispatched this morning | 16:17 |
| pmackinn | hey now | 16:17 |
| amrith | he works for the waste management company | 16:17 |
| amrith | watch out for the dump truck as it backs up towards you. | 16:18 |
| pmackinn | my -1 are powerless iirc | 16:18 |
| amrith | so what's three fingers? | 16:18 |
| amrith | one good drink? | 16:18 |
| amrith | no, seriously though | 16:18 |
| amrith | your -1 is NOT powerless | 16:19 |
| amrith | the question is this ... | 16:19 |
| amrith | or the questions are these | 16:20 |
| amrith | 1. there was no mail to the ML, I could send one. | 16:20 |
| amrith | 2. I'm not sure I understand the second question | 16:20 |
| amrith | hbase has no SQL interface (that may be Hive) | 16:20 |
| amrith | hbase offers rest and thrift | 16:20 |
| amrith | you could layer pig and hive on it | 16:20 |
| amrith | if you want | 16:20 |
| amrith | the issue I'm addressing is that some have asked us for support for hbase | 16:21 |
| amrith | and it makes sense, like adding support for a graph database (in the works now). | 16:21 |
| pmackinn | crap, got my hive and hbase mixed up...apologies | 16:21 |
| pmackinn | but sahara is definitely in the business of hadoop clusters | 16:22 |
| amrith | that's ok. pig is the other option and I am wondering how to politely make a porcine reference but can't come up with one. | 16:23 |
| amrith | yes, sahara is in the business of hadoop clusters. | 16:23 |
| amrith | no doubt. | 16:23 |
| amrith | hbase is hadoop clusters plus a lot more | 16:23 |
| pmackinn | what are your feelings about api v1 fit for what hdfs represnets as a db? | 16:23 |
| amrith | so surely the argument could be made that trove should call sahara | 16:23 |
| amrith | but that seems largely pointless given that much of the framework we need is already in Trove. | 16:23 |
| amrith | re: hdfs as a DB, I'm not really seeing HDFS as a DB. | 16:24 |
| amrith | HDFS is a storage subsystem as far as I can tell. | 16:24 |
| amrith | I can't 'query' hdfs any more than I can query ext3 (or 4) | 16:24 |
| amrith | my understanding of HDFS is that it is a scalable distributed resilient <insert buzzword here> FILE SYSTEM. | 16:25 |
| pmackinn | but you don't really resize it either, or back it up | 16:25 |
| amrith | sure you do resize HDFS | 16:25 |
| amrith | and sure you make data resilient | 16:25 |
| amrith | in a different way. | 16:25 |
| amrith | but consider this, cassandra support the same n-copies mechanism. | 16:25 |
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| amrith | so would you say that Trove shouldn't support backup for cassandra? | 16:26 |
| amrith | backup serves a different function (IMHO) than n-copies and resiliency. | 16:26 |
| amrith | in point of fact, some may use replication as a backup and restore strategy | 16:26 |
| pmackinn | you add/remove clusters and change replication | 16:26 |
| amrith | but 'backup' in trove serves another purpose as well, cloning an instance. | 16:26 |
| amrith | correct, and in hbase fully-distributed, I intend that the cluster API will provide that capability as well. | 16:27 |
| amrith | but for HBASE | 16:27 |
| amrith | or rather, with theprimary target being HBASE. | 16:27 |
| amrith | under the covers, it means HDFS fully distributed as well | 16:27 |
| pmackinn | sure | 16:27 |
| amrith | but that's only in service of HBase | 16:27 |
| amrith | If you want a HDFS file system, then Trove isn't your answer. | 16:27 |
| amrith | If you want HBase, I would like Trove to be a feasible solution | 16:27 |
| pmackinn | well you mention this as a beachhead for other BD db | 16:28 |
| amrith | just as it is if you want a cassandra cluster. | 16:28 |
| amrith | what is BD? | 16:28 |
| pmackinn | big data | 16:28 |
| amrith | sure | 16:28 |
| amrith | vertica is a BD database | 16:28 |
| amrith | we already support that. | 16:28 |
| amrith | and in any event, we do have people interested in another hadoop based database in Trove. | 16:29 |
| amrith | so yes, I see support for those as a natural extension for Trove. | 16:30 |
| amrith | insofar as they are databases. | 16:30 |
| amrith | HDFS is NOT a database | 16:30 |
| amrith | a Hadoop Cluster is not IMHO a database | 16:30 |
| amrith | if someone else wishes to add native hadoop cluster support to Trove, I wouldn't say no for sure. | 16:30 |
| amrith | if there is a use-case and someone would like to contribute code, why would I object to it? | 16:30 |
| pmackinn | which hbase flavor do you intend to support? | 16:31 |
| pmackinn | just apache? | 16:32 |
| amrith | For now, Apache HBase 1.1.2 | 16:32 |
| amrith | that's current | 16:32 |
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| pmackinn | what about other distros? cloudera? hortonworks? | 16:33 |
| pmackinn | these are roads already well travelled by sahara | 16:33 |
| tosky | but wouldn't it make sense to leave the provisioning part to Sahara, get the endpoints returned by Sahara and then let Trove do the things it's good for (operate with the database)? | 16:33 |
| pmackinn | amrith, also why make note of the different hbase clients other than their default ports? | 16:34 |
| pmackinn | still command&control only, right? | 16:34 |
| amrith | pmackinn, for now, nothing. but great idea, maybe those too down the road. | 16:35 |
| amrith | sure tosky, that's an alternative. | 16:35 |
| amrith | not one I prefer because it makes more stuff go out of Trove's control. for example, how would you implement a trove guest agent for that? would your image have two guest agents? | 16:36 |
| tosky | Sahara has no guest agent | 16:36 |
| amrith | pmackinn, what do you mean by difereht clients and ports. | 16:36 |
| amrith | tosky, ok. if sahara has no guest agent then where would you inject the trove guest agent? | 16:37 |
| tosky | couldn't it be a separate node in the cluster, oracle-like? | 16:37 |
| amrith | sure, all alternatives. | 16:37 |
| pmackinn | HBase Shell Support | Y | X | X | | 16:38 |
| pmackinn | +-----------------------------+------------+------------+------------+ | 16:38 |
| pmackinn | | REST API Support | Y | X | X | | 16:38 |
| pmackinn | +-----------------------------+------------+------------+------------+ | 16:38 |
| pmackinn | | Thrift API Support | Y | X | X | | 16:38 |
| pmackinn | +-----------------------------+------------+------------+------------+ | 16:38 |
| pmackinn | | Python Trove Client (CLI) | Y | X | X | | 16:38 |
| pmackinn | what do these matter beside ports in the sec group? ^^ | 16:38 |
| amrith | pmackinn, in order for hbase to support these, the daemons must be started | 16:38 |
| amrith | see the trove-integration chkin which launches rest and thrift daemons. | 16:38 |
| amrith | and configures the ports in the cnf files | 16:38 |
| tosky | the "out of control" part is relative, as Sahara is another big-tent project, which is not going away, with a stable API | 16:38 |
| amrith | and as you say, puts them in the sec group. | 16:39 |
| amrith | sure tosky, nothing you say is wrong. it is an alternative. | 16:39 |
| amrith | this too, is an alternative approach. | 16:39 |
| amrith | and being a big-tent project makes no guarantees on longevity. | 16:40 |
| amrith | pmackinn, does that answer your question? re: support for clients. | 16:41 |
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| pmackinn | i guess for me fundamentally: trove gets compute from nova, volume storage from cinder, swift storage for backups...seems sensible to interface with sahara for hadoop infra | 16:42 |
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| pmackinn | also sahara is adding (added?) support for in-memory analytics like spark | 16:43 |
| amrith | I'm not sure that it seems any more 'sensible' than the argument that Trove should interface with heat for everything. | 16:43 |
| amrith | great, let sahara do that | 16:43 |
| amrith | more options is good, or so I thought. | 16:43 |
| amrith | like adding support for ceph and swift. | 16:44 |
| tosky | amrith: sorry, but the "no guarantees on longevity" is not an argument, or then it could open door to reimplementing every other service | 16:44 |
| amrith | it isn't an argument, I was just pointing out an inconsistency in your statement. | 16:44 |
| tosky | I'm pretty sure that if Sahara would die, that would mean that HBase support (and any other bigdata stuff) would not be needed anymore | 16:44 |
| tosky | I disagree on the inconsistency; code duplication on the other side is bad, and this is what the main proposal is leading to | 16:45 |
| tosky | but, anyway | 16:45 |
| amrith | tosky, feel free to put comments on the review however please be clear to observe that the things you suggest are alternative approaches which while valid do not detract from the validity of a different approach as proposed in the spec. | 16:48 |
| tosky | amrith: which means that it's pointless to add them | 16:49 |
| amrith | tosky, that's a defeatist point of view that I don't subscribe to. I vote (even though I get only one vote in 300+ million), I contribute to charity even though I'm not a millionaire, and I know people who exercise reguarly knowing that they have many generations of heart disease in their families. I also put -1's on reviews and sometimes +1's. | 16:50 |
| amrith | but if you wish not to post comments, that is your choice. | 16:51 |
| amrith | But, I believe the robustness of open source depends on fee and open communicatin and the mechanism of reviews. And therefore, while I disagree with your point of view, I respect it and welcome it as I do Pete's review. | 16:52 |
| amrith | pmackinn, what's the API fitness question? | 16:55 |
| pmackinn | amrith, e.g., what does it mean to backup Hbase? | 16:58 |
| amrith | it means, in Trove-speak, to serialize all the data in a form that can be used to launch a new instance at a future time. | 16:59 |
| amrith | and to store that on some inexpensive medium | 16:59 |
| amrith | such as swift | 16:59 |
| amrith | which is traditionally cheaper to operate than, say, cinder. | 16:59 |
| amrith | and the ability to do that in such a way that many such copies of a single instance can be made over time. | 17:00 |
| amrith | and in the future, extend that capability to fully-distributed hbase deployments with trove. | 17:00 |
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| amrith | aka, same thing as it means for MySQL, PostgreSQL, MariaDB, MongoDB, Cassandra, CouchDB, Couchbase, Redis, ... | 17:01 |
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| amrith | What is implemented (now) in the strategy is what is called Full Shutdown Backup in HBase terminology. See more at http://hbase.apache.org/0.94/book/ops.backup.html | 17:06 |
| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/trove-specs: Add support for hbase in Trove https://review.openstack.org/256079 | 17:11 |
| amrith | pmackinn, I've updated the review with a section describing this backup and placing the link (above) in the references section. | 17:11 |
| pmackinn | amrith, thx | 17:11 |
| sushilkm_ | @amrith go ahead, if you want to work on root-disable | 17:13 |
| dloi | Hello @cpnet16. Do you have the power to add the new trove-dashboard to launchpad? Or do you want to open bugs and stuff in trove for that? | 17:13 |
| amrith | sushilkm_, thx. I will (most likely) ping you for some clarifications on what you had done in the bp you said may have been written already and to get more details about the bug. | 17:13 |
| pmackinn | amrith, i think it's the API fitness to the fully distributed model where things break down for me; "instance" is problematic since you are not really restoring an "instance" | 17:13 |
| amrith | pmackinn, so what of a pxc cluster? | 17:14 |
| amrith | let's leave hbase out of this for a second and talk pxc cluster | 17:14 |
| amrith | let's say mariadb with galera | 17:14 |
| amrith | what does it mean to take a backup of that? | 17:14 |
| dloi | oops @cp16net I meant in the last entry for me :) | 17:14 |
| amrith | pmackinn, I thought the clarification re: instance and cluster in what I put in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256079/7..8/specs/mitaka/hbase-in-trove.rst would address the issue you raise. so I must be missing something. | 17:16 |
| amrith | pmackinn, to be continued. I'm going to go and get something to eat before a 1pm meeting. | 17:17 |
| pmackinn | amrith, sure thx | 17:18 |
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| cp16net | dloi: i'lll look | 18:14 |
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| cp16net | dloi: i was looking around to see what other projects have done reguarding their dashbaoard and it looks like most of them have just filed the bugs/specs within their main lp project (designate and sahara) | 18:37 |
| cp16net | they tag the bugs with dashboard to separate them in the list | 18:38 |
| cp16net | and put something in the bug/bp title as well | 18:38 |
| cp16net | like [ui] - bug name | 18:38 |
| cp16net | or designate-dashboard: bug name | 18:38 |
| cp16net | i'll bring this up tomorrow in our meeting | 18:39 |
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| amrith | pmackinn, hello | 21:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ishita Mandhan proposed openstack/trove: Code refactoring for couchdb https://review.openstack.org/263922 | 21:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ishita Mandhan proposed openstack/trove: Code refactoring for couchdb https://review.openstack.org/210170 | 22:00 |
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| cp16net | pmalik: so looks like the cluster scenario tests are working for pxc after i rebased my pxc grow/shrink on your finish cluster int-tests patch | 22:21 |
| cp16net | i just had to remove the skips for grow shrink on pxc | 22:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simon Chang proposed openstack/trove: Fix to_gb & to_mb conversion function rounding issue https://review.openstack.org/263905 | 22:26 |
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| pmalik | cp16net good news. I was actually testing with pxc as well (not grow/shrink at the time). | 22:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-troveclient: Drop py33 support https://review.openstack.org/257713 | 23:47 |
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