| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Region / Availability Zone - update Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946986 | 11:34 |
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| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Region / Availability Zone - update Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946986 | 12:20 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: docs: Update Roles in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 12:31 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: docs: Update Roles in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 12:32 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update and add roles in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 13:14 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Region / Availability Zone - update Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946986 | 13:35 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update and add roles in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 13:39 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update and add roles in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 13:56 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Region / Availability Zone - update Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946986 | 14:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: cardoe: maybe we can ask the gerrit devs to put links to the groups that can satisfy conditions in the submit requirements view conditions card pop up thing | 15:35 |
| clarkb | they do show people who can leave those votes but only if those people were already activeo n the change | 15:36 |
| clarkb | which isn't useful in this particular situation | 15:36 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update and add roles in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 15:43 |
| opendevreview | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Drop "ossg" reference from Vulnerability Mgmt guide https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/947150 | 20:02 |
| opendevreview | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Drop "ossg" reference from Vulnerability Mgmt guide https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/947150 | 20:03 |
| gouthamr | anyone affected with this matrix/irc bridge issue? https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1850 | 21:03 |
| gouthamr | i hope it wasn't the worst case scenario identified here: https://www.oftc.net/2025/02/28/update/ | 21:05 |
| clarkb | on one of the ptg etherpads someone said that the bridges are half shutdown. YOu basically can't use the bridge to auth or join new channels anymore but existing channels work? | 21:34 |
| clarkb | I don't know who posted that though | 21:34 |
| fungi | that's unfortunate | 21:35 |
| gouthamr | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/apr2025-ptg-os-tc#L325 | 21:35 |
| fungi | i guess it's a sign they didn't meet their funding goal in that case? | 21:35 |
| clarkb | I have been checking their foundation blog posts for updates (they post fridays usually) and haven't see any but didn't check the most recent one | 21:36 |
| gouthamr | yeah, there've been pretty good "project updates", was hoping it meant good news | 21:36 |
| gouthamr | do you have any experience with "matterbridge"? | 21:37 |
| gouthamr | it seems quite fancy if it can do all kinds of bridges | 21:37 |
| fungi | my only experience with it is not having heard that name until this very moment | 21:38 |
| gouthamr | :D | 21:38 |
| clarkb | what is the context of it? | 21:39 |
| fungi | i guess it would be a custom way to bridge a matrix channel to a slack channel and an irc channel, in order to meet the request from some openstack operators? | 21:40 |
| gouthamr | i am assuming we run it, and allow bridging to our channels/slack/discord/<tool> | 21:40 |
| clarkb | I'll say right now I have very little interest in running such a bridge. My experience with those tools is that they don't ever work and its a terrible experience (this based on the gitea and gerrit discord bridges to matrix) | 21:41 |
| clarkb | something smaller in scope like oftc is probably more doable simply because the number of protocol problems is significantly reduced | 21:42 |
| gouthamr | ack, i really liked the matrix/oftc app-service bridge - it was pretty seamless to me, and to a bunch of drive-by contributors and new folks | 21:42 |
| clarkb | https://matrix.org/blog/2025/04/11/this-week-in-matrix-2025-04-11/ ya I don't see anything from their latest blog post | 21:43 |
| clarkb | but as mentioned during the ptg if I had a vote (I don't) I'd suggest just using matrix | 21:44 |
| clarkb | you get the ease of use of the other platforms (web login, web client, persistent data, emojis!, etc) but don't have to compromise on free software ideals | 21:44 |
| gouthamr | I think so, but all these irc bots and integrations we’ve accrued over the years would need to change, and what if some part of the community doesn’t want to join us there | 21:57 |
| clarkb | right these are all risks. Some of our bots area already running on matrix (we have logging and gerrit posts, but not meeting management). But also I think I'm still more trying to positiion this for the people who don't want irc | 22:00 |
| clarkb | acknowledge that and say ok cool can we try matrix? | 22:00 |
| clarkb | my furstration in these related conversations has been that everyone just wants to say slack and are unwilling to compromise even calling it a compromise. While refusing to actually use the compromise that is free software: matrix | 22:01 |
| clarkb | part of the community isn't going to join you on slack. I'm one of them so I don't think trying matrix is any worse off | 22:06 |
| gouthamr | agreed; what I could understand from last week’s discussion is that companies are hard to change, but, people are willing.. with this matrix OFTC bridging thing for the past year, I found people loved the “newer interface” and ease of staying connected alluring… there were no objections; I didn’t meet the people whose corporate overlords only approved Slack :) | 22:06 |
| clarkb | and the near complete dismissal without even trying it is frustrating when opendev has run matrix infrastructure of one sort or another for years at this point | 22:06 |
| clarkb | we started around when freenode exploded whenever that was | 22:07 |
| gouthamr | I didn’t see the dismissal of matrix though; just those that said my company doesn’t permit anything apart from Slack | 22:07 |
| clarkb | I think actions speak loudly here: how many slack servers are there? Apparently more than a handful. How mayn openstack matrix rooms? zero | 22:08 |
| gouthamr | that might just be a result of how decentralized we are; and lack of awareness that opendev has a home server | 22:14 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm in an elected leadership position in the open regulatory compliance working group. they started out using matrix and i joined their channels immediately when created. later they decided to move to slack in order to improve engagement, and i still haven't gotten around to setting up a slack connection to those new channels several months later | 22:35 |
| gouthamr | crap what was their reason? | 22:36 |
| clarkb | gouthamr: ya that may be. If that is the underlying issue then I think a bigger issue of being unaware of the homeserver is not being aware of community norms and the four opens | 22:36 |
| fungi | not enough businesspeople could figure out matrix and they were already on slack for other internal work stuff, apparently | 22:40 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Remove unicode prefix from code https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947059 | 23:39 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Region / Availability Zone - update Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946986 | 23:47 |
| opendevreview | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc master: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/security-doc/+/947166 | 23:56 |
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