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| frickler | fungi: maybe my understanding of english language is wrong, but why does an "anonymous survey" ask me for my name and email? also are there no open surveys tools you could use? you sure won't get any data from me this way | 06:53 |
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| fungi | frickler: hm, i thought we made those fields optional | 09:57 |
| fungi | i'll test it again in a bit | 09:58 |
| fungi | frickler: ah, yeah i guess we did make them required fields, though not entirely wrong as the instructions state that the results will be anonymized and aggregated before sharing, so raw data is only visible to the foundation staff | 10:58 |
| frickler | so "survey with only anonymized results getting published" might be a better term, then. doesn't affect my intention in replying anyway | 11:05 |
| fungi | frickler: yes, i'm regrouping with the other staff folks as soon as they wake up to remind me why we made those fields required, and plan to reply to my announcement with a correction as soon as i have the facts straight | 11:06 |
| fungi | thanks for pointing it out! | 11:06 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Update project data of 2024.2 Dalmatian https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/945461 | 11:51 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Set 2025.1 Epoxy as released https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/945319 | 12:16 |
| opendevreview | Dr. Jens Harbott proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Revert "Bump hacking" https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946146 | 12:52 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Revert "Bump hacking" https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946146 | 15:15 |
| frickler | fungi: another question: isn't "How many times did you refer to your project’s Contributor Guide over the most recent release cycle?" missing an answer between "0" and "20+"? | 15:38 |
| frickler | also I wonder whether native speakers could really answer this in 2-3 mins. it takes me something like 20 minutes to only read the questions/options. I do note that they seem to be quite well formulated, though | 15:39 |
| JayF | I speak only English and it took me longer than 2-3 minutes, but "2-3 minutes" in a survey email is like, dog minutes that mean actually 7x as long ;) | 16:20 |
| * JayF wonders if the concept of "dog years" is a common idiom | 16:21 | |
| fungi | frickler: good point, i feel like i brought that up previously and it was supposed to have been fixed, but then i guess i forgot to check it again | 16:34 |
| fungi | frickler: clarkb brought it to ildikov's attention while i was at lunch and seems like it is properly fixed now | 16:36 |
| fungi | apparently formstack has problems with decimal integers ending in zero, or something similarly bizarre | 16:36 |
| jrosser | theres no question about developer workflow - i put attempting to fix broken CI for a project on the "too hard" pile today because 1) it has no docs for how to run the tests locally 2) unpicking manually how the zuul job works into a local VM is large work | 16:50 |
| fungi | jrosser: so specifically, lack of local test running documentation, coupled with complicated ci configuration? | 16:55 |
| jrosser | yeah, basically the combination of those | 16:56 |
| clarkb | I know its not always the best or most efficient approach, but speculative zuul testing does alleivate some of the pain of that if you're willing to add more logging or change tuneables or even just modify the test cases. | 16:58 |
| gmann | Which exact tests lack the docs? tox based test (unit, fucntional) runs or tempest tests? I think tox-based run are mentioned on the project side and how to setup/run tempest locally is well-documented here https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/overview.html#quickstart | 17:01 |
| gmann | What I feel is that we do have doc and clear guides on how to run tests (ofcourse those can be improved over time if needed) but main challenge for new contributors is 'where to find those doc' | 17:02 |
| jrosser | of course its complicated | 17:03 |
| opendevreview | ribaudr proposed openstack/governance master: Fix nova PTL irc nick https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/946175 | 17:03 |
| jrosser | becasue its a failing ansible assert: on the result of another ansible module that interacts with designate, on top of a devstack deployment | 17:03 |
| fungi | yeah, there is something to be said for omitting some tests just because any possible implementation would be too complex for local repeatability | 17:05 |
| jrosser | my motivation was to fix it by inspecting / reproducing locally as i think i have the requsitie understanding | 17:05 |
| gmann | True, and that is where upstream CI is very useful, but basic tests (tox based, tempest like tests) can be run locally | 17:06 |
| opendevreview | ribaudr proposed openstack/governance master: Fix nova PTL irc nick https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/946175 | 17:10 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix nova PTL irc nick https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/946175 | 18:17 |
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