| frickler | tc-members: with the new cycle starting, I'd like to once again suggest you to reconsider doing meetings on zoom (where I still won't participate) | 10:05 |
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| mharley[m] | Got it, gouthamr. Thanks! | 10:08 |
| spotz[m] | frickler: Is there a platform you would? I understand why we try to do one a month but it's actually more work if you take good notes in the channel for the log | 13:14 |
| frickler | spotz[m]: mostly not, there's also timezone and language issues. I might join meetpad for specific topics, but if the result would be less effort being invested into taking notes, that would be another reason not to do so | 13:58 |
| cardoe | frickler: I'd like to understand why you don't participate? Is it the tool? Is it the medium? I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea for us to have an alternate medium than IRC on some regular cadence to get potential involvement of others. There's also something to be said about a sync call like that providing a different connection for folks. | 14:39 |
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| frickler | cardoe: it's difficult. objecting to zoom as non-free tool is the most important part, but I'd also have problems with listening and speaking otherwise, in addition to being uncomfortable with video sharing and the meeting time being outside my usual office hours | 16:05 |
| fungi | while not on the tc these days (we abolished weekly meetings in favor of asynchronous engagement when i was), i'll note that i often miss the "video" tc meeting week due to the general proliferation of conference calls resulting in unavoidable conflicts, though i still try to interject through irc when necessary and have that conveyed to the call participants | 16:09 |
| fungi | i was personally disappointed to see later incarnations of the tc reinstate meetings, but at least we laid enough groundwork with rollcall voting in gerrit and policy improvements requiring things to be socialized on the mailing list that the current state of meetings is not nearly so bad as they were in earlier times | 16:11 |
| gouthamr | frickler: hey, yes, we should actively reconsider this stuff with each new TC term | 17:04 |
| gouthamr | frickler: on my own part, i don't mind the video meetings.. i see people like to watch the recordings we post on youtube.. but, i hate zoom myself, and proposed to use meetpad, but i was in the minority the last time this came up | 17:06 |
| gouthamr | our PTG session last few times was on meetpad, and we didn't have any issues.. | 17:08 |
| gouthamr | and i see a lot of people not using video, that's totally fine.. just before i start recording, i ask folks to go off video if they're uncomfortable.. (that's been an unspoken norm with every community A/V meeting from way before COVID iirc) | 17:11 |
| gouthamr | english is the native language to a small subset of the TC, so i can totally get the rest of us may find it more comfortable typing rather than speaking it... | 17:13 |
| gouthamr | which is totally an option | 17:13 |
| gouthamr | as a meeting host, i pay attention to the IRC channel here, and any chat that's going on on the video platform | 17:14 |
| fungi | as noted earlier, your diligence in that regard is greatly appreciated! | 17:14 |
| gouthamr | so i can catch what fungi says ^ | 17:14 |
| gouthamr | haha, jinx | 17:14 |
| gmann | gouthamr: tc-memebrs: did we start the TC chair nomination process? | 17:41 |
| gmann | it should be open three business days after the TC elections are closed. https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tc-chair-elections.html#tc-chair-nomination | 17:42 |
| gouthamr | ^ no, we haven't had a chance to discuss it.. i added it as a topic to tomorrow's meeting | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | what's the purpose of the three business day deadline, gmann | 18:29 |
| gmann | cool | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | i think discussing it at a meeting would be better? | 18:30 |
| gouthamr | sometimes that might be within three days, but we finalized results a day after the last meeting | 18:30 |
| gmann | gouthamr: it gives enough time for tc members to consider if they want to run for chair. 3 days is mainly if any member not present in meeting or on leave for few days | 18:30 |
| gouthamr | ^ yeah, i see thats the downside of waiting for a meeting | 18:31 |
| gmann | if we get confirmation from all tc members during 1 day or meeting then we do not need to wait for 3 days | 18:31 |
| gmann | if not then keep it open for 3 days | 18:31 |
| gmann | gouthamr: we do not need to wait for the meeting we did not in past | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | ^ ack, that was my executive decision :D which could be wrong ofcourse, so i'm asking to be corrected in case there's a motive i'm missing | 18:32 |
| gouthamr | that = waiting for the next TC meeting to bring up the chair nomination process | 18:32 |
| gmann | as previous chair you can start the nomination on IRC or in email with deadline and it can be closed even before weekly meeting happen | 18:32 |
| gouthamr | yep, being a responsive/friendly bunch, doing this over IRC could suffice.. | 18:33 |
| gmann | sure, you can do in meeting but that will count tomorrow as start day of nomination and if we want to wait for someone response then we need to wait 3 days starting from tomorrow | 18:33 |
| gouthamr | yep | 18:34 |
| gmann | you can start today also counting today as start day and in tomorrow meeting it can be a reminder | 18:34 |
| gouthamr | yeah, don't think we need all three days.. | 18:34 |
| gouthamr | i mean, we'll wait, but, if someone's motivated, they'd | 18:35 |
| gouthamr | have let me/us know already | 18:35 |
| gmann | as per process we donot need to wait for meeting because not all tc members join meeting or meeting might not happen during election weeks or so | 18:35 |
| gouthamr | ack | 18:35 |
| gmann | gouthamr: I am saying we should wait 3 days until we hear from all members and if even one member do not provide response then 3 days waiting needed | 18:36 |
| gmann | I am ok if you want to wait for meeting to start the nomination but my point is that can delay. | 18:37 |
| gouthamr | we announced results on 26th, today is the third business day | 18:38 |
| gmann | but we did not start the nomination on 26th right | 18:38 |
| gouthamr | yeah, but that doc doesn't really say what starting the nomination means, does it? | 18:39 |
| gmann | if we want to consider the automatic/silent nomination start by default after election is closed then it is fine | 18:40 |
| gouthamr | i see some language here: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tc-chair-responsibilities.html#around-tc-elections | 18:40 |
| gmann | in past we follow the practice of starting the nomination by sending message to Tc members with deadline | 18:40 |
| gouthamr | i see | 18:40 |
| gmann | that is not written in doc but I am not sure if everything we need to document there | 18:41 |
| gouthamr | :D yes | 18:41 |
| gmann | but feel free to update if anything make it more clear. I prepared that doc thinking message to TC members in IRC, email etc counted as nomination start | 18:42 |
| gouthamr | maybe we can make it a bit easier.. by forcing a conversation before the results are announced, and closing out things after the results are announced.. lemme think about this | 18:42 |
| gouthamr | tc-members: when you see this, please note that tc chair nominations are currently requested, please see scrollback of the conversation here, and see https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tc-chair-responsibilities.html regarding what's expected of the chair.. | 18:56 |
| gouthamr | i'd be happy to see anyone step up and help chair for 2025.2.. | 18:56 |
| spotz[m] | I will log in tomorrow and listen but will be somewhere loud so will typing any responses I have. That said I will not be running for chair or co-chair:) | 19:05 |
| opendevreview | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/governance master: Add TC chair nomination folder for 2025.2 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/943203 | 19:29 |
| opendevreview | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/governance master: Add gouthamr's nomination for 2025.2 TC chair https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/943204 | 19:30 |
| * frickler will not run for any chairing position, either. also I know mnasiadka is travelling this week and may be slow in responding | 20:29 | |
| * noonedeadpunk -ENOTIME | 20:31 | |
| * noonedeadpunk for chairing postion | 20:32 | |
| gouthamr | ack spotz[m] frickler noonedeadpunk | 20:43 |
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