| gouthamr | tc-members: o/ Happy New Year! A gentle reminder that our first weekly meeting of 2025 is in an hour in this channel and on Zoom: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 17:00 |
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| spotz[m] | Be 2 minutes late meeting running over | 17:59 |
| gouthamr | ack spotz[m] | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | #startmeeting tc | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Jan 7 18:00:28 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | #info Today's meeting is being held primarily via video call. Action items and meeting minutes will be documented in IRC but for a full replay of the meeting, please visit the OpenStack TC youtube channel, where the recording will be uploaded soon. | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBuGwBXOmWHydSE09RM84wQ | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct. | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| noonedeadpunk | o/ | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | on the video bridge: slaweq cardoe noonedeadpunk gtema gmann spotz[m] | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | fungi and clarkb too, ty for joining everyone.. | 18:01 |
| spotz[m] | o/ | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | courtesy ping: bauzas | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | not in today: f r i c k l e r | 18:02 |
| bauzas | arriving | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | #topic Last Week's Action Items | 18:04 |
| gouthamr | we had some AIs on Unmaintained Branches.. we'll follow up on a separate topic for this one | 18:05 |
| gouthamr | election dates have been proposed; we'll chat about that in a bit too | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | noonedeadpunk took an AI to figure out addressing blocked documentation changes | 18:08 |
| noonedeadpunk | ++ | 18:08 |
| gouthamr | he'll summarize here since we're having technical difficulties on the Zoom call | 18:08 |
| gouthamr | we did have other AIs pertaining to Ubuntu Noble jobs | 18:09 |
| gouthamr | we'll address those in a separate topic too | 18:09 |
| gouthamr | #topic Update on unmaintained branches (frickler) | 18:09 |
| gouthamr | as of the last meeting, we know elodilles's company would like to maintain Victoria | 18:10 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/937515 (Transition unmaintained/victoria to EOL) | 18:10 |
| gouthamr | The deadline for the opt-in process was 30 Jan 2025 | 18:11 |
| noonedeadpunk | yup, last meeting a poor state of openstackdocstheme has been raised along with nobody being around on voting on changes there. while we can drop own theming, alternative would be to find way of landing proposed changes to such generic repos by tc, without having maintenance obligation due to rolling nature of tc members | 18:11 |
| gouthamr | next step, elodilles can update the patch directly to exclude the projects being left in unmaintained state | 18:11 |
| gouthamr | lets continue the discussion on the gerrit patch | 18:12 |
| gouthamr | we are unsure if elodilles intends to volunteer to maintain W, X, Y, Z branches of the same repos | 18:14 |
| gouthamr | gmann followed up on the gerrit change | 18:14 |
| gouthamr | we'll keep this topic through the next meeting so we can chat with f r i c k l e r as well | 18:15 |
| gouthamr | lets move on to the next topic | 18:15 |
| gouthamr | #topic Update on election and changes | 18:15 |
| gouthamr | 18:15 | |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/937408 | 18:16 |
| gouthamr | ^ election officials have kick-started the next election | 18:16 |
| gmann | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 18:16 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/937741 (Allow more than 2 weeks for elections) | 18:17 |
| gouthamr | ^ we are yet to merge this | 18:17 |
| gouthamr | we have published the election dates already, we are unsure if we can make this charter change for this election without causing any confusion | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | spotz[m] points out if we checked for holidays during the election period | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | we may have an overlap with the Chinese New Year holidays | 18:20 |
| gouthamr | maybe we can allow early nominations in lieu of this | 18:21 |
| fungi | note that nomination check jobs will fail (or at least used to) if pushed prior to the open date for the nomination period, and so may need rechecking | 18:21 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 18:22 |
| gmann | ++ | 18:22 |
| fungi | the main blocker is when the configuration with the precreated directories for teams hasn't been added to the repo yet | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | we have a couple of things to set up elections: | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | - kickoff email to the mailing list | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | - schedule updates to https://releases.openstack.org/epoxy/schedule.html | 18:22 |
| gmann | fungi: yeah, we need to create that in advance. | 18:23 |
| gouthamr | sorry the third item, election officials creating the nomination directories | 18:23 |
| fungi | yes, the candidates/2025.2 directory and team subdirectories are missing at the moment, so need creating first | 18:24 |
| gouthamr | #action follow up on these three election todos in next week's meeting | 18:24 |
| fungi | after that, nominations are technically possible | 18:24 |
| clarkb | maybe go ahead and create a couple years worth of directories? | 18:25 |
| fungi | there is an openinfra newsletter going out in a week or two, if the schedule can be confirmed before then i can include a mention of the dates there | 18:25 |
| gouthamr | thanks fungi | 18:25 |
| gouthamr | clarkb: true, we don't really need the names anyway do we | 18:26 |
| gouthamr | release names | 18:26 |
| gouthamr | #topic Status on migrate CI to Ubuntu Noble | 18:26 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/migrate-to-noble (Etherpad tracking the goal) | 18:26 |
| fungi | we still need to tag a pbr release | 18:26 |
| fungi | but it's not altering how pbr does pyproject.toml support, it was more us proving it works | 18:27 |
| fungi | i have a change proposed to update the docs too | 18:27 |
| gouthamr | a set of changes to pbr occurred in the past couple of weeks: | 18:27 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/pbr+status:merged | 18:28 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/938585 Clarify PEP 517 implementation for users | 18:28 |
| gouthamr | plan is to tag a beta release, and have projects test this | 18:28 |
| fungi | we've been proving it all out with a series of changes to bindep, in case anyone wants to see a real world example | 18:28 |
| gouthamr | there are three projects with failing noble jobs still: | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/migrate-to-noble#L172 | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | we may be blocked by inactive project teams, or its unclear if project maintainers have stepped away for the holidays | 18:30 |
| gouthamr | gmann has raised the issue on irc channels, the openstack-discuss mailing list | 18:30 |
| gouthamr | the concern is how the release would go for these project teams that won't follow the runtime testing guideline in time | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | we | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | will follow up next week with updates | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | anything else for $topic? | 18:32 |
| gouthamr | #topic A check on gate health | 18:32 |
| gouthamr | we haven't identified anything new/specific show up in the new year | 18:33 |
| gouthamr | bauzas notes that nova jobs in december were flaky with VM networking issues | 18:34 |
| gouthamr | clarkb notes that dockerhub rate limits affect openstack-helm CI jobs | 18:34 |
| gouthamr | the project teams chatted with opendev-infra over the holidays | 18:35 |
| gouthamr | they've been told that opendev-infra can't control these rate limits, and a migration is teh best course of actioon | 18:35 |
| fungi | we kept the lights on | 18:36 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 18:36 |
| gouthamr | gerrit stores cache files on disk that inflated over the holidays | 18:37 |
| gouthamr | this led to a bunch of timeouts and mess; manual intervention was required | 18:38 |
| gouthamr | #topic PTG AIs and the TC Tracker | 18:38 |
| gouthamr | 18:38 | |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2025.1-tracker (Technical Committee activity tracker - 2025.1) | 18:39 |
| gouthamr | ^ any thing that we'd like to share an update about today? | 18:39 |
| gouthamr | we'll are getting back into full momentum now, so we can go over each item next week | 18:40 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion and Reviews | 18:40 |
| gouthamr | spotz[m] announced that there'd be a celebration of OpenStack 15th Birthday at FOSDEM 2025 | 18:41 |
| gouthamr | there'll also be a BOF session on OpenStack, spotz[m] will update us soon | 18:41 |
| gouthamr | slaweq will be at FOSDEM 2025, and eat some cake on our behalf | 18:41 |
| gouthamr | fungi mentions that there were some ML regarding lack of review attention in octavia | 18:43 |
| gouthamr | cardoe pointed out that octavia might not be the only case where core reviewers aren't paying attention to reviews from new folks or individuals that don't contribute often | 18:46 |
| gouthamr | slaweq mentions that he can check with the core team, he says the team is pretty small and might be stretched thin | 18:46 |
| gouthamr | gmann says he's had to ping them a few times to get SRBAC patches merged | 18:46 |
| gouthamr | #link https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openstack-lbaas/%23openstack-lbaas.2024-12-25.log.html | 18:47 |
| gouthamr | ^ a message on Dec 25 that wasn't ack'ed on IRC, but, the patch got some reviews when folks came back by the looks of it | 18:48 |
| gouthamr | bauzas notes that new contributors may be expecting sync conversations over IRC | 18:49 |
| gouthamr | we may have folks getting confused between IRC channels for #openstack-lbaas (official channel for octavia discussions) and #openstack-octavia (unregistered) | 18:52 |
| gouthamr | someone from the octavia team may need to park in the channel and actively drive discussion away, or register the channel and set a topic/redirect message | 18:52 |
| gouthamr | we're at M-2, the check point for any released projects to be tagged inactive if the project's momentum has stalled | 18:56 |
| gouthamr | Monasca's CI jobs have been failing for months, and there is no activity on the various repos | 18:56 |
| gouthamr | monasca is tagged "inactive" though.. no coordinated releases have occurred since 2023.2 | 18:57 |
| gouthamr | #action start an ML thread copying the PTL and ask to retire the project | 18:58 |
| gouthamr | during this cycle, the ubuntu-noble migration effort was a good check on the health of project teams | 19:01 |
| gouthamr | most teams were responsive, monasca and skyline remain the concern.. | 19:02 |
| gouthamr | hberaud brought up an issue with masakari and eventlet on the ML: | 19:02 |
| gouthamr | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/4RWJH7L7QWVO3SJ64MIGPUQ6Z4Q7HMYD/ ([masakari] failures with new version of Eventlet) | 19:02 |
| fungi | i do wonder what can be done to attract a more global maintainer base to skyline, with it posed as the successor to horizon | 19:03 |
| gouthamr | we'll follow up next week regarding this concern, its possible the issue was fixed | 19:03 |
| gouthamr | fungi: it'd be the case if that plan was official.. i.e., if horizon was on a retirement path | 19:04 |
| gouthamr | we wrapped up the meeting on Zoom | 19:04 |
| gouthamr | sorry for running on here, wanted to make sure we had minutes :D | 19:04 |
| gouthamr | thank you all for attending today, next week's meeting is back on IRC | 19:05 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 19:05 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Jan 7 19:05:07 2025 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:05 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2025/tc.2025-01-07-18.00.html | 19:05 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2025/tc.2025-01-07-18.00.txt | 19:05 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2025/tc.2025-01-07-18.00.log.html | 19:05 |
| fungi | wrt skyline succeeding horizon, the hope i had was that it was a possible escape route for horizon being stuck on an eol/abandoned web framework without sufficient contributors for the needed overhaul | 19:05 |
| fungi | and that the remaining horizon contributors might help out on skyline as a path forward | 19:06 |
| fungi | but that doesn't seem to have happened | 19:06 |
| gouthamr | yeah, there's still active feature development on horizon | 19:10 |
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