Tuesday, 2024-08-27

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opendevreviewMerged openstack/governance master: Update DPL model reset steps  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/92592601:55
opendevreviewMerged openstack/governance master: Inactive state extensions: Monasca  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/92391901:56
opendevreviewTakashi Kajinami proposed openstack/election master: Adding Takashi Kajinami candidacy for Storlets PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92723507:24
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opendevreviewPranali Deore proposed openstack/election master: Add Pranali Deore candidacy for Glance PTL 2025.1  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92723707:43
opendevreviewArtem Goncharov proposed openstack/election master: Artem Goncharov candidacy OpenStackSDK PTL 2025.1  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92724409:05
opendevreviewWenping Song proposed openstack/election master: Adding songwenping candidacy for Cyborg  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92724609:42
opendevreviewWu Wenxiang proposed openstack/election master: Adding wu_wenxiang candidacy for Skyline  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92725210:11
opendevreviewWu Wenxiang proposed openstack/election master: Adding wu_wenxiang candidacy for Skyline  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92725210:14
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Add Grzegorz Grasza candidacy for Barbican 2025.1 PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92709512:48
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Adding Takashi Kajinami candidacy for Heat PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92707712:48
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Adding Takashi Kajinami candidacy for Puppet OpenStack PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92707312:55
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Add Jake Yip candidacy for Magnum 2025.1 PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92707212:55
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Add Martin Kopec candidacy for QA 2025.1 PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92709412:55
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Sylvain Bauza candidacy for 2025.1 TC membership  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92714212:55
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Add Pranali Deore candidacy for Glance PTL 2025.1  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92723713:05
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Adding Takashi Kajinami candidacy for Storlets PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92723513:05
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Artem Goncharov candidacy OpenStackSDK PTL 2025.1  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92724413:05
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Adding songwenping candidacy for Cyborg  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92724613:05
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Adding wu_wenxiang candidacy for Skyline  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92725213:05
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opendevreviewIan Y. Choi proposed openstack/election master: [trivial] Utils: ignore 'to-be-released' tag value  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92727614:05
opendevreviewGregory Thiemonge proposed openstack/election master: Adding Gregory Thiemonge candidacy for Octavia  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92727814:27
opendevreviewWalt proposed openstack/election master: Added Walt Boring candidacy for Cinder  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92728014:36
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: [trivial] Utils: ignore 'to-be-released' tag value  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92727614:41
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gouthamrtc-members: a gentle reminder that we're meeting here in ~13 minutes17:47
spotz[m]\o/17:59
gouthamr#startmeeting tc18:00
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gouthamrWelcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct.18:01
gouthamrToday's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee18:01
gouthamr#topic Roll Call18:01
gmanno/18:01
dansmitho/18:01
frickler\o18:01
spotz[m]o/18:01
gtemao/18:01
cardoeo/18:02
slaweqo/18:02
noonedeadpunko/18:02
gouthamrnearly full house18:03
gouthamrcourtesy ping JayF 18:03
gouthamralright; lets get started.. 18:04
JayFo/18:05
cardoeHe was just talking to me in #-ironic so he'll hopefully be back.18:05
gouthamrfirst off; i wanted to thank frickler for chairing the last meeting.. i put him on the spot18:05
gouthamr#topic AIs from last week18:06
spotz[m]He did a great job!18:06
gouthamr++18:06
fricklerty18:06
gouthamrfrom what i can tell, we didn't mark any AIs specifically to follow up this week.. 18:06
gouthamri do see one to continue the licensing discussion at a forum/PTG session 18:07
gouthamri'll track this and plan it18:07
gouthamrdid i miss any other AIs you were tracking?18:08
gouthamrregarding the licensing discussion, if anyone has ideas they'd like to put to paper, please do propose a resolution18:10
gouthamrtaking silence to mean no further AIs18:11
gouthamr#topic OpenInfra event planning (spotz)18:11
gouthamrspotz[m]:  had asked here a couple of days ago if anyone's going to be attending the OpenInfra summit in Suwon in-person18:11
gouthamr#link https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2024-08-18.log.html18:11
gouthamr#link https://2024.openinfraasia.org/18:12
dansmithbauzas: ^18:12
spotz[m]Ahh so I think this is about the TC session in South Korea next week and then thinking of doing an overall leadership one at NA18:12
fungiworth noting that the "bridging the gap" forum session on the summit schedule is, as i mentioned in my ml post, an outcome of specific requests made by the tc to the openinfra foundation18:13
gouthamr+1 18:13
fungiso if tc members are in suwon and don't have conflicts at that time, participation is welcome18:13
spotz[m]Basically how I worded it for Asia was current, future(as the election won't be over), and past TC members to just come and answer any questions folks might have18:13
gouthamrso if there are people on the floor, we have two events we would appreciate your participation in18:13
gouthamri'd go as far as "require" your participation in.. :) we need you.18:14
spotz[m]And potentially for NA it would be Board and TC members, or any other OpenInfra project leaders there18:14
gmannI will not be traveling either of events, otherwise would love to help18:14
noonedeadpunksame here18:14
JayFI will not be at either event as well.18:14
gouthamri'm hoping to be at the NA event18:14
JayFHappy to participate in a remote session as long as we can make it work.18:14
gouthamr^ i will try to work on this18:15
fungii won't be in suwon, clarkb and ildikov are leading the forum session there, but i'm planning to lead a similar one in indianapolis for oid-na18:15
spotz[m]It is 13 hour time difference FYI I did look it up to see if I could do regular work meetings while there18:15
spotz[m]NA is possible if we do the session there18:15
bauzasI'll stick around if no conflicts18:16
gouthamrbauzas++ 18:17
bauzas(tbc I'll be in suwon)18:17
JayFspotz[m]: I'll note my willingness to participate remote comes with a volunteer to be up at silly hours :)18:17
JayF(meaning I know if it happened, I'm probably going to be up at 3am or working at 9pm :D)18:17
spotz[m]Ok I'll see if we can, I know there will only be a single wifi so Asia may not end up working for remote but I believe NA will18:18
spotz[m]6am CST I think18:18
gouthamrack spotz[m].. is there a possibility to move the time for NA? or is it inflexible?18:20
spotz[m]Oh NA isn't even on the schedule:) That was the time translation for Asia18:20
gouthamrmy bad18:21
spotz[m]I just know there's a slot on Oct 16 we may need something so offered this18:21
gouthamrthank you.. since there can't be a remote session from Suwon, won't matter :) 18:21
spotz[m]I would say it may not be a good remote option18:22
gouthamrim hoping those attending can come back and brief us about the interactions18:22
gouthamranything else to add about $topic spotz[m]?18:22
gouthamrthank you for repping us, and for putting the session together18:23
spotz[m]Nope, I'll report back after and update about NA18:23
gouthamrthank you; lets move to the next topic18:24
gouthamr#topic A check on gate health18:24
gouthamranything going on this week?18:24
gmannabout oslo.policy 4.4.0 u-c, only horizon yet to be fixed which I am working on. other projects fixes are either merged or up for the review18:26
gmann#linlk https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/92546418:26
gmann#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/92546418:26
JayFno specific comments from me18:26
slaweqgmann: is it related to S-RBAC?18:26
gmannmy target was last week to merge this but due to horizon failure it is pending. let's see how soon I can push fix and we can merge the requirement one18:26
gmannslaweq: yes18:26
slaweqso I also saw issue in the neutron-designate job which I need to investigate still18:27
gmannslaweq: and neutron designate job also which I am testing with some possible fixes but no success yet18:27
slaweqbut it seems there is some issue related to s-rbac18:27
slaweqahh, thx18:27
gmannit can be on designate side I think as there is change in config on neutron side but 18:27
gmann*no change18:27
gmannI will discuss about it in neutron channel18:27
slaweqif you will have anything, please let me know18:28
gmannsure18:28
slaweqif I will find anything, I will also ping you 18:28
slaweqbut I will have probably time for it next week soonest18:28
gmannslaweq: this one is my debugging change, feel free to try things here18:28
gouthamrgmann: this requirement bump should merge this week?18:28
gmann#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/926945 18:28
slaweqthx18:28
gmanngouthamr: I am not sure about deadline but as FF is this week, we should merge not later than that18:29
gouthamri was understanding this is our requirements freeze week as well18:29
gmannI mean deadline for requirement change if there is any18:30
gouthamr#link https://releases.openstack.org/dalmatian/schedule.html#d-rf18:30
gmannyeah, requirement freeze also so yes this week is deadlin e18:30
fricklerreqs freeze doesn't hold for bumping openstack deliverables18:30
gmannohk18:31
fricklerthough that isn't an argument to delay things if that can be avoided18:31
gmannanyways I do not want to delay it just to avoid any last minute failure, though i tested/fixed ~15 projects on this so should not be any issue once we fix the horixon/neutron+designate job18:31
gmannfrickler: ++18:32
gmannthat is all from me on this18:32
gouthamrokay; thank you gmann 18:33
gouthamranything else for this topic?18:33
fricklermaybe on the aarch64 situation18:34
opendevreviewDoug Goldstein proposed openstack/election master: Add Doug Goldstein candidacy for TC 2025.1  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92730818:34
fricklerwe lost one of the donated clouds recently18:34
fungione of the only two18:35
dansmithuh18:35
dansmithI thought there were at least three?18:35
fungifor aarch64/arm64?18:35
slaweq:/18:35
fricklerand the other one (osousl) seems to be severely slower, which we didn't completely realise before18:35
fungionly two (osuosl and linaro/worksonarm/ampere)18:35
dansmithoh for arm18:35
dansmithgotcha18:35
dansmithmissed that part :D18:35
fricklerso kolla already had to stop running image build jobs for that arch currently18:36
fricklerI'm not sure how much other projects are doing testing there18:37
slaweqin neutron we are only running some UT jobs on arm IIRC18:37
gmannmostly it is UT jobs only18:38
fricklerso more as an fyi, not much the TC can do about this I think unless someone can draw another cloud donor out of their head ;)18:38
dansmithI'll be honest and say I really don't know who cares about the arm bit18:39
noonedeadpunkoh well I do know18:39
fungicloud providers with arm hardware who want people to use it more, maybe18:39
JayFThere are multiple confirmed users in the Ironic community using Ironic on ARM to provision ARM and Ironic on AMD64 to provision ARM18:39
dansmithIIRC the jobs were added a while back by someone that cared during the brief (?) obsession with arm servers18:39
noonedeadpunkbut probably not ones who can / in position to donate18:39
gmannnote, most of UT jobs are non voting so not sure about their status or who monitor the status18:39
JayFdansmith: from my perspective, I still see ARM server usage on the rise, specifically in the AI/ML space.18:40
noonedeadpunkTalking about arm I do have a topic for open discussion18:40
noonedeadpunk(related to the user suvey)18:40
gouthamrhttps://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/jobs with an "aarch" search tells me there's an ironic standalone job; and a "requirements-tox-py38-check-uc" (Run test for requirements project) job in addition to the kolla jobs18:40
dansmithJayF: ack, I heard a lot about it for like a year several years ago, but I haven't heard much of anything in a long time18:40
JayFyeah, I think the hype curve is falling off but as usual, actual use cases come flowing behind it without the hype :)18:41
dansmithjust.. someone needs to care if they want it18:41
JayF++ We have Ironic CI provisioning ARM-fake-BM-VMs on x86, which is really the case I'm more concerned about TBH18:42
opendevreviewMichael Johnson proposed openstack/election master: Adding Michael Johnson candidacy for Designate  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92730918:43
gouthamralright; lets wrap this up and move to the next topic18:43
gouthamr#topic 2024.2 TC Tracker18:43
gouthamr 18:43
gouthamr#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2024.2-tracker (Technical Committee activity tracker)18:43
gouthamr^ anyone chasing any item that has an update to share this week?18:44
gouthamrprobably not; things are looking better.. i'll make another pass on the etherpad and clean things up18:45
gouthamr#topic Open Discussion and Reviews18:45
fungii've tried to initiate a discussion on the mailing list about improving communication patterns around code review and related contribution based on efforts started by a request from tc members last year to find out why many foundation member organizations are struggling to get people more active upstream, so participation from the current tc membership on that thread is greatly18:45
fungiappreciated!18:45
fungi#link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/GTPTFUPXXBDMWNQZGZDLM2IIX4FSTT5Y/ Bridging the gap between community and contributing orgs18:45
gouthamrfungi++ 18:45
noonedeadpunkso I was pointed today that we're missing bunch of things on the user survey18:45
noonedeadpunkone thing - is relevant openstack releases - they stop on Antelope18:45
fungioh, ouch18:46
noonedeadpunkWhile there's 2 more out18:46
fungii'll make a note to ask aprice about that18:46
noonedeadpunkand another one - there's no KVM(aarch64) in list of used HVs18:46
noonedeadpunkso we actually have no idea if anyone cares about arm...18:46
fungithat definitely ties back into a recent discussion too! ;)18:46
clarkbnoonedeadpunk: do we distinguish between x86 and non x86 hypervisors already?18:46
clarkbI think that is a good idea but the matrix is bigger than just x86 vs aarch64 kvm18:46
noonedeadpunkthere's plenty of things there acvtually18:47
noonedeadpunkppc64 is there for instance18:47
fungimaybe a worthwhile step would be to check with the nova team to get a list of relevant hypervisor+processor backend combinations18:47
clarkbgot it18:47
fungii wouldn't be surprised if it was last revisited 5+ years ago18:48
dansmithrelevant or possible? :)18:48
opendevreviewDavid Wilde proposed openstack/election master: Add Dave Wilde's candidacy for Keystone PTL 2025.1  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92731018:48
fungii suppose possible, and then we can find out which is relevant18:48
* gouthamr probably missed an email asking for teams to update their questions for this 2024 survey18:48
noonedeadpunkgiven we are still having essex among releases - that's a good question18:49
dansmithhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/doc/source/user/support-matrix.ini18:49
dansmithnot sure where that gets rendered18:49
fungias in, what target platforms does the nova team think deployments might be using, so they can find out how many are relying on what18:49
dansmithhttps://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/support-matrix.html18:49
dansmiththere we go18:49
noonedeadpunkas apparently some still might run lxc/hyper-v/etc18:49
fungiyeah, that would be a good one to sync up against18:49
dansmithfor what I think people are using.. kvm on x64 :)18:49
noonedeadpunk(and kvm on aarch64)18:50
* gouthamr corrects himself with link: https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/QX7TPBPUQWS3R4FYIV7CJFHML6GT2IZP/ 18:50
fungikeeping in mind that some deployments are still on train, so may care about platforms we stopped officially supporting many releases ago18:50
dansmithI'll take your word for it, but I haven't seen much evidence18:50
dansmithunless it just all works, which I don't believe :)18:50
noonedeadpunkyeah, so the reporter was unhappy about missing aarch64 as that's what they were running18:51
fungii'm led to believe that there are public cloud providers offering aarch64 flavors18:51
noonedeadpunkand it does work eventually, yes18:51
fungii definitely don't have a list in my back pocket, however ;)18:51
noonedeadpunkit's a bit tricky though to prohibit x86 to emulate aarch64 and get scheduled there, but it's a different question18:52
gouthamrnoonedeadpunk: it could be worth starting an ML discussion regarding this, and copying aprice... adding new releases seems straightforward; but, mayyybe there are other inconsistencies that we need to fix18:53
noonedeadpunkwell tomorrow is a deadline for the survey anyway...18:53
gouthamrdon't know if its too late either because it'll mess up the analysis 18:53
gouthamryes18:53
fungithe survey "deadlines" are more like checkpoints18:54
noonedeadpunkjust we kinda need to be aware about that for upcoming analysis I guess18:54
slaweqfor this year's survey it is definitely too late but we should chagne it for next year18:54
noonedeadpunk++18:54
noonedeadpunkand acccount for upcoming releases during the year18:54
noonedeadpunkeven though we might not know name - at least have versioned ones18:54
slaweq++18:56
spotz[m]e-dalmatian, f-dalmatian, g-dalmatian...:)18:57
gouthamrokay; it looks like we can take an AI to check with aprice about when the 2025 User Survey questions are due18:57
fungithe openstack user survey absolutely continues collecting submissions after the deadline, they just end up rolled into the next checkpoint18:57
noonedeadpunkgood point...18:57
fungibut yes, for continuity it's best to batch the updates to questions themselves18:58
gouthamr++18:58
gouthamralright, a couple of mins left, so i want to highlight something else while i still have folks here :)18:58
fungiwhich also reduces the workload on foundation staff maintaining the survey configuration and reporting18:58
opendevreviewJon Bernard proposed openstack/election master: Add Jon Bernard candidacy for Cinder PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92731218:58
gouthamrOutreachy call for help18:58
gouthamr#link https://www.outreachy.org/blog/2024-08-14/outreachy-needs-your-help/18:58
gouthamr#link https://www.outreachy.org/communities/cfp/openstack/18:58
gouthamr^ this is probably the first time in a looooong time that the Open Infra Foundation nor any participting OpenStack sponsors have donated towards an Outreachy internship18:59
gouthamrso, i wanted to check if any of you know anyone/company can pitch in 18:59
gouthamreven if you don't have someone right away, please keep this appeal in mind :) 19:00
spotz[m]I have not heard back on my request for funding19:00
gouthamrOutreachy runs three internship cohorts every year; so if we can swing funding for future ones, we can continue deriving benefits of this great program19:01
gouthamri'd be happy to chat with anyone that needs any info regarding this19:01
gouthamrbut, we're over time for this meeting19:01
gouthamrspotz[m]: thank you for trying!! :) 19:01
gouthamrthank you all for attending19:01
gouthamrsee you here next week!19:01
gouthamr#endmeeting19:01
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slaweqo/19:01
gouthamrugh19:02
spotz[m]And funding company doesn't have to be the mentoring company if they don't have resources19:02
gouthamrslaweq: \o/ thanks for sending out the contributor emails 19:02
gouthamrfor all the projects that don't have PTL nominees19:02
gouthamri am hoping its going to be effective19:02
gtemayeah, good job slaweq19:02
spotz[m]++19:02
gmann++ thanks slaweq 19:02
gouthamrbut, its caused some fear too, especially in projects where there was some informal understanding of the current PTL re-nominating themselves :D 19:03
gmannbut it is good reminder as they have not nominated themselves yet?19:04
gouthamrbut, even there, they appreciated the note from the election official that any project contributpr can run to be a PTL.. something that people probably don't realize often19:04
gouthamrgmann: that too19:04
* gouthamr saw the skyline nomination, and sighed19:04
gouthamrmany people wait until the last day, as fungi once noted in the hope that someone else may decide to run :) 19:05
spotz[m]I do think alot of the projects discuss in meeting who is running19:05
fungii still like mtreinish's old threat, that he would nominate himself at the last minute for ever project that didn't have a nominee, with a platform of closing that project down19:06
fungis/ever/every/19:06
gouthamromg19:07
gtemasometimes I have a feeling nobody would even notice that19:07
dansmithI'd notice if keystone went away19:07
gtemalol, sadly count of reviewers is terribly low19:08
fungioh, yep, i did get a reminder that i could run to be keystone ptl! ;)19:08
gtemayeah, but too late, Dave created a change in the meanwhile19:09
fungioh, he can have it in that case19:09
fungii don't need extra headaches ;)19:09
gtemaright, enough is enough19:09
bauzasdon't be afraid about nova being leaderless, I'll do what needed if nobody else runs for the PTL seat19:18
bauzasI just leave that seat open to commnunicate my wish to pass the baton one day19:18
fricklercardoe: I see you proposed your TC candidacy, would you care to state your affiliation on your openinfra profile, please?19:23
cardoefrickler: absolutely. But where? https://id.openinfra.dev/accounts/user/profile has my company as Rackspace. https://www.openstack.org/profile/ has an Affiliation to Rackspace as well.19:30
fungiquerying the openstackid-resources.openstack.org rest api for the corresponding e-mail address should hopefully return accurate affiliation information now, if it was just recently updated19:32
spotz[m]It's not tied to the old Stackalytics stuff is it?19:33
fricklercardoe: oh, after reloading I do see the info on https://openinfra.dev/a/community/members/155659 , it wasn't there when I looked earlier. so seems all is well now19:33
fungispotz[m]: nope19:34
spotz[m]oh good!19:34
cardoeI don't see it on that page myself.19:38
opendevreviewDmitriy Rabotyagov proposed openstack/election master: Add Dmitriy Rabotyagov as Vitrage PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92731719:47
opendevreviewSylvain Bauza proposed openstack/election master: Add Sylvain Bauza candidacy for Nova 2025.1 PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92731920:00
opendevreviewDale Smith proposed openstack/election master: Adding Dale Smith candidacy for Adjutant  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92732520:58
opendevreviewCarlos Eduardo proposed openstack/election master: Add Carlos da Silva candidacy for Manila PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92733221:32
opendevreviewCarlos Eduardo proposed openstack/election master: Add Carlos da Silva candidacy for Manila PTL  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92733221:33
opendevreviewMerged openstack/election master: Adding Gregory Thiemonge candidacy for Octavia  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/92727821:43

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