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| JayF | gouthamr: fyi I will either not be at the TC meeting or will be extremely distracting during it. | 14:15 |
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| JayF | **distracted | 14:15 |
| gouthamr | JayF: ack! thanks for letting me know | 14:53 |
| gouthamr | tc-members: a gentle reminder that we're meeting here in ~55 mins | 17:06 |
| gouthamr | #startmeeting tc | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Jul 30 18:00:29 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| gouthamr | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
| noonedeadpunk | o/ | 18:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 18:01 |
| slaweq | o/ | 18:01 |
| gtema | o/ | 18:01 |
| spotz[m] | o/ | 18:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | noted absence: JayF | 18:02 |
| frickler | \o | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | #chair frickler | 18:03 |
| opendevmeet | Current chairs: frickler gouthamr | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | everyone else is here; so lets get started | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | #topic Action Items from the past week | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | 1. Follow Up on Eventlet Removal | 18:04 |
| gouthamr | hberaud had a typo-fix patch up; and he told me he's working on the rest of the comments he received on the goal proposal | 18:05 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/924944 ([follow up] Fix typos - eventlet removal) | 18:05 |
| gouthamr | 2. Skyline Project: Await response from wu_wenixang on frickler's concerns | 18:05 |
| gouthamr | i don't see anything on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/924109 | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | wu_wenixang: if you see this; a gentle nudge | 18:07 |
| gouthamr | frickler: are you in touch with skyline folks in any other way? perhaps any pending release team patches? | 18:09 |
| frickler | nope | 18:09 |
| gouthamr | okay; i cross posted your comment on ythe original change: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/skyline-console/+/924130 | 18:10 |
| gouthamr | in similar news; setuptools forced us to bump the upper constraint on packaging in stable/2023.1 | 18:11 |
| noonedeadpunk | Um | 18:11 |
| gouthamr | we had an AI to take a look and get clarkb's patch merged | 18:12 |
| noonedeadpunk | Aha, ok, that's probably fine:) | 18:12 |
| gouthamr | which i see mnaser is taking back to unmaintained/zed: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/925271 | 18:12 |
| clarkb | as mentioned in the nova channel earlier today. The issue is somewhat forced on us. Bit rot happens. We can choose to "break" policy and make things work again or we can choose to leave things boken in which case the policy isn't helping anyone | 18:13 |
| gouthamr | (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 18:13 |
| mnaser | yes, without that, we cannot land the CVE fixes into zed still. | 18:13 |
| mnaser | its poopy, but it is following pattern | 18:13 |
| clarkb | it is my personal opinion that the policy is too rigid if it can't be bent to allow for fixing things | 18:13 |
| gouthamr | yeah :( | 18:13 |
| clarkb | and its unlikely we're going to break anything harder than it already is in this particular circumstance | 18:13 |
| fungi | also packaging is fairly disconnected from anything we do directly, so increasing the version when setuptools needs it should be fairly safe | 18:14 |
| spotz[m] | If there's a fix for a CVE and we can fix the issue by going around policy I think it's a no brainer | 18:14 |
| gouthamr | agreed; distros for one are obviously keen on the CVE fixes, so they should be paying attention to the UC bumps we're making | 18:14 |
| noonedeadpunk | I feel actually that we must land that backport in this case | 18:15 |
| spotz[m] | I'll point RDO folks to this | 18:15 |
| gmann | noonedeadpunk: ++ | 18:15 |
| gouthamr | ty folks; perhaps prometheanfire can help with landing the change into unmaintained/zed | 18:16 |
| fungi | well, the distros also don't continually update setuptools, so may not need the packaging update | 18:16 |
| fungi | updates to setuptools are somewhat forced on us due to our non-use of distro-packaged dependencies | 18:17 |
| gouthamr | i see | 18:17 |
| mnaser | fwiw this primarily breaks the installation of a specific package/tool which we use to monitor ci job health (I think something about load monitor or something) | 18:17 |
| frickler | it also breaks other things, dbcounter is just the first failure of that type in devstack | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | alright, lets move on.. | 18:19 |
| fungi | thankfully all testing-related impact, seems like (not that it makes it any less painful for us) | 18:19 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 18:19 |
| gouthamr | dansmith gmann spotz[m]: can i have your attention on a couple of openstack-manuals updates? | 18:19 |
| spotz[m] | Yep | 18:20 |
| gmann | sure, will check | 18:20 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/owner:d1nuc0m@protonmail.com+project:openstack/openstack-manuals+status:open | 18:20 |
| gouthamr | thank you! | 18:20 |
| gouthamr | the last AI we had was around assessing the relevance and maintenance status of TC-managed repositories like constellations and goal-tools.. i was working on governance-sigs last week; will add this item to the tracker and make incremental progress here | 18:21 |
| gouthamr | that's all the AIs i was tracking | 18:21 |
| gmann | I think we can retire constellations but keep goal-tools as it can be useful in future goals or so | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | gmann: ack | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | any other AIs that we want to chat about? | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | #topic A check on gate health | 18:23 |
| gouthamr | do we have any broken/unstable gate issues in the past week to bring up? | 18:24 |
| dansmith | no changes that I've noticed in the last couple weeks, aside from the setuptools problems | 18:24 |
| gmann | pretty much good shape. I did not notice any blocker last week | 18:24 |
| slaweq | me neighter | 18:25 |
| fungi | centos-8-stream nodesets were finally removed from our job config late yesterday | 18:25 |
| clarkb | and we have removed the linaro cloud as the hardware it was running on is going away on the 10th | 18:26 |
| fungi | also we shut down the linaro arm64 region in nodepool, so right now all arm jobs are running in osuosl | 18:26 |
| clarkb | oh and tempest added early failure detection to the zuul job | 18:26 |
| fungi | that should squeeze a bit more resources out of gate runs at least | 18:27 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tempest/+/924956/ (Add early failure detection for tempest base job) | 18:27 |
| fungi | since resets can happen as soon as tempest knows it's going to fail rather than waiting for the job to complete and report | 18:27 |
| fungi | so changes down-queue can get their new test runs started sooner | 18:27 |
| gouthamr | great! | 18:28 |
| gouthamr | ty for that update clarkb fungi frickler | 18:28 |
| gouthamr | thanks for sharing dansmith slaweq gmann | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | i was trying to find a mail a while ago regarding zuul config errors | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | #link https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/config-errors | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | some of these could mean that these jobs are unusable, while some others are deprecation warnings and such | 18:30 |
| gouthamr | 357 "errors", 364 warnings | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | pretty evenly split | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | maybe its time we reprise the task of having someone from each of the project teams look at this | 18:32 |
| slaweq | There is a lot of neutron related warnings there, I will look into those this week | 18:33 |
| gouthamr | slaweq++ ty | 18:33 |
| gouthamr | #action: gouthamr will note this in the weekly email | 18:34 |
| fungi | removing dead branches cleaned up a bunch. also there's a pending cleanup of non-openstack projects which should knock the total count down | 18:34 |
| gouthamr | oh yeah, all these "x/" ones show up under the "openstack" tenant | 18:35 |
| fungi | ah, the cleanup i was remembering for those merged yesterday though, so this is after that's been done | 18:35 |
| gouthamr | acj | 18:37 |
| gouthamr | ack* | 18:37 |
| gouthamr | anything else about the gate? | 18:37 |
| gouthamr | #topic 2024.2 TC Tracker | 18:37 |
| * gouthamr hit enter too soon | 18:37 | |
| * gouthamr pauses 30 seconds, please feel free to chime in | 18:38 | |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2024.2-tracker (Technical Committee activity tracker) | 18:39 |
| gouthamr | gmann: on kuryr-kubernetes's retirement, i didn't see any changes in tacker | 18:40 |
| gmann | yeah, no change in situation, it is still on hold | 18:40 |
| gouthamr | okay; any impact on any deliverables for us? | 18:41 |
| gmann | I do not think so any risk or impact, retirement can be done later or even in next cycle | 18:42 |
| gmann | it does not really harm to wait | 18:42 |
| gouthamr | i.e., we're approaching milestone-3, do any of these components (kuryr-kubernetes, kuryr-tempest-plugin) get an automatic release for them that we need to avoid | 18:42 |
| gmann | if things are working and it is release-able then no harm otherwise it can stay without release and retire once tacker is ready | 18:43 |
| gmann | we have already asked for the help to maintain it so no release should not surprise anyone | 18:43 |
| gouthamr | yes; the release team can take a call here i guess? | 18:44 |
| gmann | I will check with release team if anything they need from TC to take action/decision on this | 18:44 |
| gmann | yeah | 18:44 |
| gouthamr | ty gmann | 18:44 |
| gouthamr | i see no further updates on the monasca inactivity extension change | 18:45 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/923919 (Inactive state extensions: Monasca) | 18:45 |
| gouthamr | frickler's concern is valid; its silly to refer to what freezer did as being the same situation with monasca ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 18:46 |
| gouthamr | but, i had workflowed this change before | 18:47 |
| * gouthamr adds another comment | 18:49 | |
| gouthamr | let me see if thuvh can come back to the change | 18:49 |
| gouthamr | anything else on the tracker that needs a discussion here today? | 18:50 |
| gmann | need more reviews on this follow up https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/923876 | 18:51 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion | 18:53 |
| gouthamr | gmann: can you add your +1 too | 18:54 |
| gmann | sure | 18:55 |
| gouthamr | T-4 minutes left to add something to the minutes here | 18:56 |
| * gouthamr just filled out the October PTG survey for the TC | 18:58 | |
| gouthamr | The PTG will be held October 21 through 25; and there's still a month to let diablo_rojo know you need a room | 18:59 |
| gouthamr | #link https://openinfrafoundation.formstack.com/forms/oct2024_ptg_survey | 18:59 |
| spotz[m] | And OpenInfra Days NA CFP is open https://forms.gle/V2qjCnEtitr3ALHPA | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | its a virtual event, so room space is not at a premium :D just that it helps to have the foundation advertise participating groups and get more participation | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | ah ty spotz[m] | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | we're at the hour | 19:01 |
| gouthamr | thank you all for attending | 19:01 |
| gouthamr | our next meeting will be here and on Zoom simultaneously | 19:01 |
| noonedeadpunk | ++ | 19:01 |
| gouthamr | see you there | 19:01 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Jul 30 19:01:47 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2024/tc.2024-07-30-18.00.html | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2024/tc.2024-07-30-18.00.txt | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2024/tc.2024-07-30-18.00.log.html | 19:01 |
| slaweq | o/ | 19:02 |
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| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: [follow up] Fix typos https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/924944 | 23:19 |
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