| opendevreview | wu.chunyang proposed openstack/governance master: Appoint Wuchunyang as Trove PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902608 | 03:02 |
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| opendevreview | Axel Vanzaghi proposed openstack/governance master: Adding Axel Vanzaghi as PTL candidate for mistral https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902621 | 10:01 |
| frickler | just as I was about to add these to the inactive list ... weird. here comes the remainder: | 10:13 |
| opendevreview | Dr. Jens Harbott proposed openstack/governance master: Mark freezer project inactive https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902623 | 10:14 |
| opendevreview | Dr. Jens Harbott proposed openstack/governance master: Mark Solum project inactive https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902624 | 10:14 |
| opendevreview | Dr. Jens Harbott proposed openstack/governance master: Mark ec2-api project inactive https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902625 | 10:14 |
| opendevreview | Dr. Jens Harbott proposed openstack/governance master: Mark senlin project inactive https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902626 | 10:14 |
| *** tobias-urdin-pto is now known as tobias-urdin | 11:15 | |
| *** elodilles is now known as elodilles_pto | 11:21 | |
| fungi | tc-members: openinfra board of directors meeting underway now, if anyone is interested in attending: https://board.openinfra.dev/meetings/2023-12-05 | 15:02 |
| opendevreview | Axel Vanzaghi proposed openstack/governance master: Adding Axel Vanzaghi as PTL candidate for mistral https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902621 | 15:07 |
| fungi | cleaning up the special-casing of openstack in the foundation bylaws is under discussion now | 15:20 |
| fungi | the tc-members will need to vote on the changes which impact openstack | 15:27 |
| fungi | (sometime in the next month-ish) | 15:28 |
| fungi | board is now discussing shuttering of the interop working group | 15:29 |
| opendevreview | Peter Matulis proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: 2023.2: Add front page links to both charm guides https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/902695 | 15:55 |
| fungi | there is officially no longer an interop wg overseen by the foundation | 15:59 |
| fungi | but the foundation can engage with projects to help decide how their trademarks can/should be used by third parties | 16:01 |
| opendevreview | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/governance master: [WIP] Modernize Openstack Networking Programming Model https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902585 | 16:28 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Update email for James Page https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902111 | 17:03 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Remove Takashi Kajinami from TripleO's release liason https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/901760 | 17:37 |
| JayF | tc-members: meeting in 10 minutes at https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87108541765?pwd=emlXVXg4QUxrUTlLNDZ2TTllWUM3Zz09 | 17:50 |
| JayF | #startmeeting tc | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Dec 5 18:00:04 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JayF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 18:00 |
| JayF | #info Today's meeting is being held primarily via video call. Action items and meeting minutes will be documented in IRC but for a full replay of the meeting, please visit the OpenStack TC youtube channel, where the recording will be uploaded soon. | 18:00 |
| JayF | #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBuGwBXOmWHydSE09RM84wQ | 18:00 |
| JayF | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct. | 18:00 |
| JayF | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee. | 18:00 |
| JayF | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| jamespage | o/ | 18:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 18:00 |
| slaweq | o/ | 18:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 18:00 |
| JayF | #info One indicated absence: knikolla | 18:01 |
| JayF | #info dansmith out rest of 2023 as indicated last week | 18:02 |
| JayF | o/ | 18:02 |
| JayF | #topic Follow up on tracked action items | 18:02 |
| JayF | #info Rosmaita work with fungi on the gerrit meta-acls (for unmaintained branch statuses) | 18:02 |
| fungi | i guess i should dial in | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | a bunch of stuff happened last week to report on | 18:03 |
| JayF | fungi: I am happy to proxy comments to the zoom chat if you have them | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | the Amendment to the Unmaintained status resolution that provides for a global openstack-unmaintained-core team merged | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/900940 | 18:03 |
| opendevreview | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/governance master: [WIP] Modernize Openstack Networking Programming Model https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902585 | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | a Gerrit group was created: openstack-unmaintained-core | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/admin/groups/4d728691952c04b8b2ec828eabc96b98dc124d69 | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | The tech-committee owns the group indirectly via the openstack-unmaintained-core-owners group | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/admin/groups/d230bd1886601f1b2bcf0e5680a8ae204e4c07b6 | 18:03 |
| rosmaita | so openstack-unmaintained-core-owners will now show up for you in Your > Groups in gerrit | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | what this means is that TC members can add/remove people to/from openstack-unmaintained-core | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | but, TC members aren't member of openstack-unmaintained-core (unless explicitly added) | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | we already have 2 volunteers for openstack-unmaintained-core | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | namely, Elod Illes and Tony Breeds | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | I went ahead and added them because if they don't understand the openstack backport policy, then nobody does! | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | plus, with the openstack-unmaintained-core group initially populated, it's now self-maintaining | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | so nothing more for us to do there other than watch the excitement | 18:04 |
| rosmaita | As far as the abilities of openstack-unmaintained-core goes ... | 18:05 |
| rosmaita | This Gerrit ACL change gives the group its gerrit powers: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/902110 | 18:05 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 18:05 |
| JayF | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/902110 | 18:05 |
| rosmaita | That patch also adjusts the project-config tests so that if a project team overrides the global group, they'll still have to give "abandon" permissions to the Release Managers (so they can clear out any un-merged patches before deleting an unmaintained/* branch) | 18:05 |
| rosmaita | This leaves the situation as: | 18:05 |
| rosmaita | - the global openstack-unmaintained-core group maintains all branches in all projects in Unmaintained status | 18:05 |
| rosmaita | - individual projects can opt-in to having their own ${project}-unmaintained-core teams if they really want to | 18:05 |
| rosmaita | this ^^ was mentioned in my "[tc][releases][ptl][all] 'Unmaintained' branch update" email a few weeks back | 18:06 |
| rosmaita | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/ZYAZG43BLJJVXCYZVPYQX5733BYDVVNL/ | 18:06 |
| rosmaita | except maybe update Kristi's project team guide patch? | 18:06 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/897505 | 18:06 |
| rosmaita | the final thing is that I attended the release team meeting last week and gave them an update | 18:07 |
| rosmaita | #link https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/releaseteam/2023/releaseteam.2023-12-01-14.00.log.html#l-28 | 18:07 |
| rosmaita | they are aware that we're basically ready to go with Unmaintained branches | 18:07 |
| rosmaita | and you'll notice that in that discussion I said that the TC will help out in any way we can! | 18:07 |
| rosmaita | that's all from me | 18:07 |
| clarkb | JayF: fwiw you can bump up your mic volume if you like :) | 18:08 |
| JayF | I suggested we send an email to PTLs/projects with a call to action: if you want your own unmaintained core group; create a change that looks like [example change or commit] | 18:09 |
| fungi | new groups do start out empty, yes. you'll need a gerrit admin to insert an initial member (we usually add the ptl at the initial member) | 18:11 |
| fungi | if the acl change grants permissions to an existing group, then you sidestep that problem, yes | 18:12 |
| JayF | #info TC consensus is to complete project team guide changes, then complete communication and execute unmaintained branch changes | 18:14 |
| JayF | #topic Gate Health Check | 18:14 |
| JayF | #info Melwitt's recent ML post about Nova gate issues is worth attention | 18:16 |
| JayF | no other gate issues worth discussion | 18:16 |
| JayF | #topic Leaderless projects | 18:16 |
| JayF | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2024.1-leaderless | 18:16 |
| JayF | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902623/ | 18:17 |
| JayF | is the top of that chain of 4 to mark inactive | 18:17 |
| JayF | The topic for unmaintained branch statuses implementation was handled during action items; skipping dedicated agenda item. | 18:18 |
| JayF | #topic 2024.1 TC Tracker | 18:18 |
| JayF | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2024.1-tracker | 18:18 |
| JayF | #topic Open Discussion | 18:18 |
| JayF | #info Eventlet status | 18:18 |
| JayF | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/YO5CZDVAJ6QSF734ALWSGNOQDDAIOXKI/ | 18:19 |
| JayF | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902585 | 18:19 |
| JayF | #info OIF Board meeting | 18:21 |
| JayF | #info Bylaw changes impacting OpenStack have been approved by the board; TC will need to approve the related charter changes as a result. | 18:21 |
| fungi | i have a feeling that if we have revisions we want made to the proposed bylaws change, that's not going to happen in time for the 2024 election | 18:26 |
| fungi | better to consider it as a "go ahead" or "not until 2025" decision | 18:27 |
| fungi | the tc can make official decisions in resolutions | 18:27 |
| JayF | #action gmann to push up TC Charter change, in response to OIF bylaws changes, for TC to vote on | 18:27 |
| JayF | #action gmann to push up a TC resolution expressing approval for the approved OIF bylaws change | 18:29 |
| JayF | #action JayF to engage with OIF board to determine required timing for those two TC approvals | 18:30 |
| fungi | i was already asking foundation executives whether there's a precise deadline | 18:30 |
| fungi | i will let you know as soon as i find out | 18:30 |
| gmann | thanks | 18:31 |
| JayF | ++ thank you | 18:31 |
| rosmaita | cinderlib is a cycle-trailing release | 18:31 |
| fungi | while i'm waiting for an answer from jbryce, if we want to consider the eve of the start of the individual member director vote as a deadline, that would be 2024-01-07 | 18:32 |
| fungi | that's probably the most conservative deadline | 18:33 |
| JayF | #info Cinderlib is being retired; discussed needed communication for the retirement. Suggested reaching out on mailing list as a minimum bar, reaching out to known users or on socials as a nice-to-have. | 18:37 |
| gmann | #link https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/repository.html#deprecating-a-repository | 18:37 |
| JayF | Any other topics for open discussion from IRC side? | 18:37 |
| fungi | related to gate health, a new version of ansible has made a (minor) breaking change for security reasons, which may require revising some existing job playbooks. details can be found on the zuul-discuss ml: | 18:37 |
| fungi | #link https://lists.zuul-ci.org/archives/list/zuul-discuss@lists.zuul-ci.org/thread/C7A2U7HGVH2W6NV2IPCQP6KAHOZKOMXX/ Breaking change in Ansible 2.15.7 (Ansible 8) | 18:37 |
| fungi | this will take effect during opendev's zuul restart on saturday | 18:38 |
| fungi | if anyone sees interesting sudden breakage next week, this could be why | 18:38 |
| JayF | ++ thanks for that | 18:38 |
| JayF | anything else new? | 18:38 |
| clarkb | there is the asyncio stuff | 18:39 |
| fungi | no word back from jbryce on a deadline for the bylaws approval yet, but i'll update the tc members in here as soon as he gets back to me | 18:39 |
| JayF | Thank you :) | 18:39 |
| fungi | clarkb: JayF mentioned the eventlet/asyncio discussion at the start of the meeting | 18:40 |
| clarkb | ah I must've missed it while I was settlign in | 18:40 |
| JayF | meantioned it at the top of open discussion | 18:41 |
| JayF | see 18:18 timestamp here | 18:41 |
| clarkb | I've been juggling hvac stuff | 18:41 |
| fungi | sounds heavy | 18:41 |
| JayF | #info TC consensus to cancel Dec 26 2023 and Jan 2 2024 meetings. | 18:42 |
| JayF | Meeting video recording will be posted to youtube shortly. | 18:42 |
| JayF | #endmeeting | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Dec 5 18:42:48 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-12-05-18.00.html | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-12-05-18.00.txt | 18:42 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-12-05-18.00.log.html | 18:42 |
| JayF | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET0Pp8fwZ_M still processing, but it's on the way | 18:51 |
| fungi | tc-members: i heard back from jbryce, he confirmed that there is no hard deadline for the tc approving the bylaws changes, just that the foundation won't be able to adopt the revised bylaws until that occurs, so the sooner the better | 20:10 |
| gmann | fungi: thanks. that was my understanding too | 20:10 |
| gmann | I will try to push the charter and resolution soon so that we can do voting as sooner as we can | 20:11 |
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