| opendevreview | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/882653 | 03:51 |
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| opendevreview | James Page proposed openstack/governance master: Propose Sunbeam as a new OpenStack project https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/881384 | 07:21 |
| *** diablo_rojo is now known as Guest924 | 09:16 | |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/882653 | 10:09 |
| opendevreview | Kristi Nikolla proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Attempt at fixing broken docs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/881290 | 15:29 |
| knikolla | hopefully that is the correct redirect syntax :) | 15:31 |
| fungi | https://review.opendev.org/c/openinfra/openstack-map/+/882727 Remove TripleO [NEW] | 16:20 |
| fungi | heads up that i spotted we hadn't done that ^ yet | 16:21 |
| gmann | do we need to do it in deprecation or in retirement ? | 16:22 |
| gmann | we usually did it in retirement of project | 16:23 |
| opendevreview | Kristi Nikolla proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Attempt at fixing broken docs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/881290 | 16:25 |
| opendevreview | Kristi Nikolla proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Attempt at fixing broken docs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/881290 | 16:25 |
| fungi | gmann: i guess it's a question of whether we want to encourage new adopters to use something that's deprecated | 16:41 |
| fungi | this is used on the page where we explain what openstack is to people who are unfamiliar with it, so including already deprecated projects there seems like it would do them a disservice | 16:41 |
| gmann | fungi: humm yeah I think you are right. that will give clear pic of what is current in OpenStack | 16:42 |
| fungi | it came up because we're working on a revision of our print materials which get handed out at conferences, which at best gets done every couple of years | 16:42 |
| fungi | so want to make sure it's as up-to-date as possible | 16:43 |
| fungi | an alternative would be to add metadata which calls the project out as deprecated so that the map generator can skip it, but really i don't see the point in adding complexity to hide things which we can just delete instead | 16:44 |
| gmann | yeah, and if things are getting undeprecated (which is rare) before retirement then we can always add it back | 16:47 |
| knikolla | tc-members: reminder, meeting in ~40 minutes | 17:20 |
| knikolla | #startmeeting tc | 17:59 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue May 9 17:59:12 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is knikolla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 17:59 |
| knikolla | Hi all, welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee | 17:59 |
| knikolla | A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct | 17:59 |
| knikolla | #topic Roll Call | 17:59 |
| gmann | o/ | 17:59 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:59 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:59 |
| knikolla | o/ | 17:59 |
| jamespage | o/ | 17:59 |
| bauzas | o/ | 17:59 |
| knikolla | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 17:59 |
| slaweq | o/ | 17:59 |
| dmendiza[m] | 🙋♂️ | 18:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 18:01 |
| knikolla | There are no noted absences in the agenda. I'll give it 2 more minutes. | 18:01 |
| knikolla | tc-members: meeting time :) | 18:03 |
| knikolla | #topic Follow up on past action items | 18:03 |
| knikolla | noonedeadpunk has submitted two governance proposal, to add py38 to PTI and to clarify general expectations on supported Python versions | 18:04 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882165?usp=search | 18:04 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882154?usp=search | 18:04 |
| knikolla | We can discuss this item further on the appropriate meeting topic. | 18:04 |
| knikolla | Thank you noonedeadpunk. | 18:04 |
| knikolla | gmann has added python 3.8 back to the generic job template | 18:04 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/+/882175 | 18:04 |
| spotz_ | o/ | 18:04 |
| gmann | yeah, all the reverts are merged #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:oslo-drop-py38+ | 18:04 |
| knikolla | Thank you gmann. | 18:04 |
| bauzas | Huzzah | 18:04 |
| gmann | and py3.8 is voting job now #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/+/882175 | 18:04 |
| dansmith | ++ | 18:04 |
| gmann | *unit test job | 18:04 |
| knikolla | We can discuss this item further on the appropriate meeting topic for py38. | 18:04 |
| knikolla | Which I'm going to jump directly on :) | 18:05 |
| knikolla | #topic Schedule of removing support for Python versions by libraries - how it should align with coordinated releases (tooz case) | 18:05 |
| knikolla | Again thank you for submitting both sets of proposals and reverts. | 18:05 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882165?usp=search | 18:06 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882154?usp=search | 18:06 |
| knikolla | There's some discussion on the first patch about whether to keep this for libs only or to extend it to all projects | 18:06 |
| gmann | yeah, IMO it make sense to keep it for all projects not just lib | 18:07 |
| bauzas | if a project is imported, it becomes a lib | 18:07 |
| dansmith | yup | 18:07 |
| fungi | we've done a fairly terrible job in the past of drawing the line between libs and not-libs and avoiding importing the latter directly | 18:07 |
| gmann | and also integrated projects even they are not imported, operators need to move version up if either of integrated project bump up the version | 18:08 |
| gmann | for example, nova drop py3.8 but neutron want to keep or vice versa | 18:08 |
| slaweq | +1 | 18:08 |
| slaweq | in neutron case we can also ask if this is lib or not as it's still imported by many projects, like e.g. stadium ones | 18:09 |
| knikolla | ++, for things to be coinstallable it helps to target the same python version | 18:10 |
| bauzas | I've seen examples in my life where people were importing nova | 18:10 |
| bauzas | Even if we don't support it | 18:11 |
| rosmaita | cinderlib imports cinder | 18:11 |
| rosmaita | it would be nice if that were actually allowed | 18:11 |
| rosmaita | would solve some problems | 18:11 |
| gmann | that is why it will be easy and consistent for everyone moving to new python at same time | 18:11 |
| bauzas | Well Nova public APIs are strictly the REST ones | 18:12 |
| bauzas | But sometimes it's simplier for ops to just import the top-level package | 18:12 |
| bauzas | So they take the risk | 18:12 |
| knikolla | Required xkcd https://xkcd.com/1172/ | 18:13 |
| knikolla | The other proposal attempts to provide recommendations for which versions of Python to support, and mentions all not-EOL versions of Python | 18:13 |
| spotz_ | hehe | 18:14 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882154 | 18:14 |
| knikolla | Unless there is something we want to discuss here, we can continue the discussion in the changes. Please take a look. | 18:16 |
| knikolla | #topic Gate health check | 18:16 |
| knikolla | This is also related to py38, so it's a good continuation of the topic in more general terms. | 18:16 |
| dansmith | I think we got rid of the last job requiring focal last week | 18:17 |
| knikolla | Anything to report? | 18:17 |
| dansmith | so that's good and healthy | 18:17 |
| JayF | Ironic has been tracking a grenade issue for the last few days | 18:17 |
| gmann | ++ thanks again dansmith for working on it | 18:17 |
| bauzas | ++ | 18:17 |
| dansmith | also lots of volume tempest test fixes in the last two weeks which seem to be improving things across the board according to opensearch | 18:17 |
| knikolla | Awesome, thank you dansmith | 18:17 |
| gmann | yeah | 18:17 |
| knikolla | I'll note this down in the weekly mail summary. | 18:18 |
| knikolla | JayF: anything more on the grenade issue? | 18:18 |
| JayF | It's being worked on; there's no real update other than "try things and wait to see if they have an impact" | 18:19 |
| slaweq | in neutron gate we also see pretty many grenade failures | 18:20 |
| slaweq | all caused by timeouts while doing requests to nova API to create security group rules | 18:20 |
| slaweq | it's reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2015065 | 18:20 |
| slaweq | it can potentially be seen also in other projects probably | 18:20 |
| knikolla | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2015065 | 18:20 |
| fungi | there's been an uptick in node_error results for jobs relying on nested-virt nodes because we're down to only ovh supplying those and sometimes it takes >10 minutes for a server create call to switch from building to active there | 18:21 |
| knikolla | JayF: does this sound familiar? | 18:21 |
| JayF | Looks like it's a different issue than the one being tracked by Ironic. | 18:21 |
| dansmith | yup | 18:21 |
| knikolla | fungi: :( | 18:22 |
| gmann | slaweq: are you seeing SG failure in OVS grenade only or general grenade job also ? | 18:22 |
| dansmith | I don't think I've seen that security group thing myself | 18:22 |
| slaweq | gmann I saw it in ovs grenade job only | 18:22 |
| slaweq | but I think ykarel told us today he saw similar errors in other jobs as well | 18:22 |
| slaweq | and he is going to investigate that | 18:23 |
| gmann | yeah, I have also not seen those | 18:23 |
| gmann | slaweq: ack | 18:23 |
| knikolla | thanks slaweq | 18:23 |
| knikolla | anything else on the topic? | 18:23 |
| knikolla | #topic Broken docs due to inconsistent release naming | 18:24 |
| knikolla | I have updated my previous patch to include redirects from docs.openstack.org/2023.1.antelope to /2023.1 (and same for bobcat) | 18:25 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/881290 | 18:25 |
| gmann | knikolla: thanks, will check it. | 18:26 |
| knikolla | Thanks :) | 18:26 |
| knikolla | #topic Recurring tasks check | 18:26 |
| knikolla | Bare 'recheck' state | 18:26 |
| knikolla | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/recheck-weekly-summary | 18:26 |
| slaweq | all good there | 18:27 |
| knikolla | Awesome :) | 18:27 |
| knikolla | #topic Open Reviews | 18:27 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 18:27 |
| knikolla | We have 2 new changes proposing PTLs, and after that we're done, besides Winstackers. | 18:28 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882374?usp=search | 18:28 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/882139?usp=search | 18:28 |
| knikolla | Please take a look and review. | 18:28 |
| knikolla | We also have a proposal from jamespage to introduce a new project Sunbeam | 18:29 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/881384?usp=search | 18:29 |
| knikolla | I did see quite a few comments on the change, so thank you to everyone that did already take a look :) | 18:29 |
| jamespage | indeed - I think I'm caught up on reponses and a few updates | 18:30 |
| knikolla | Thanks jamespage for the quick responses. | 18:31 |
| rosmaita | jamespage: changes LGTM, hopefully Felipe will leave a comment soon | 18:31 |
| knikolla | Unless there's anything else to be discussed, that's all for what I had prepared. | 18:32 |
| jamespage | rosmaita: I shall nudge him again :) | 18:32 |
| knikolla | dansmith: and I managed not to say PR the entire meeting :) | 18:32 |
| slaweq | knikolla ups, You just did :P | 18:32 |
| dansmith | womp womp | 18:32 |
| gmann | :) | 18:32 |
| fungi | how meta | 18:32 |
| dansmith | you can say PR, you just can't say it in reference to something in gerrit :D | 18:33 |
| knikolla | haha, you would have similarly called me out for euphemistically saying GitHub terminology :) | 18:33 |
| bauzas | Please, don't speak about my nightmares :) | 18:33 |
| dansmith | I think we're done here yes? | 18:33 |
| knikolla | Thanks all for a quick and productive meeting. Giving you all back half-hour to use wisely. | 18:33 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2023-05-board-openstack-sync May 2023 OpenInfra Board Sync with OpenStack (20:00 UTC tomorrow, connection details are in the pad) | 18:34 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 18:34 |
| dansmith | ++ | 18:34 |
| slaweq | o/ | 18:34 |
| jamespage | \o/ | 18:34 |
| knikolla | thanks fungi for the reminder! | 18:34 |
| fungi | since there doesn't seem to be an "open discussion" topic | 18:34 |
| * bauzas cries at night when he dreams about OpenStack moving to GitLab or GH | 18:34 | |
| fungi | i'll tack it onto the "open reviews" discussion | 18:34 |
| spotz_ | I've got a CentOS board meeting at the same time but if we end early I'll join | 18:34 |
| knikolla | You should all have a calendar invite for the meeting tomorrow between TC and board. | 18:34 |
| jamespage | yep I'll be attending | 18:35 |
| fungi | i sent a couple to the openstack-discuss ml and TheJulia also sent one to the board ml | 18:35 |
| knikolla | Thanks fungi | 18:35 |
| fungi | feel free to add topics to discuss | 18:35 |
| knikolla | ++ | 18:35 |
| knikolla | There's an etherpad link in the email | 18:36 |
| knikolla | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2023-05-board-openstack-sync | 18:36 |
| fungi | yep, that's what i just linked above | 18:36 |
| knikolla | Awesome. Thanks all again. | 18:36 |
| knikolla | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue May 9 18:36:49 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-09-17.59.html | 18:36 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-09-17.59.txt | 18:36 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-05-09-17.59.log.html | 18:36 |
| gmann | thanks everyone | 18:37 |
| spotz_ | Wow all my meetings have been quick today! | 18:37 |
| fungi | something cosmic about that | 18:39 |
| fungi | spotz_: actually we ran one minute over with the d&i wg meeting | 18:39 |
| fungi | but got so much done! | 18:39 |
| spotz_ | True but we got SOOO much done! | 18:39 |
| spotz_ | Jinx:) | 18:39 |
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