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| gmann | spotz: are you online to start the meeting at google meet ? https://meet.google.com/uzo-tfkt-top | 15:00 |
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| gmann | not sure if any other redhat member can do? dansmith ^^ | 15:01 |
| dansmith | I'm in there | 15:01 |
| dansmith | but nobody else is | 15:01 |
| gmann | I am still waiting to be in | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | I have another meeting right now but will join when it is done. | 15:01 |
| dansmith | gmann: redhat people are in | 15:02 |
| dansmith | gmann: I really think it's better that we create a new meeting each time, whoever is around | 15:02 |
| dansmith | because none of us are being asked to permit outsiders on this meeting | 15:02 |
| gmann | ohk | 15:02 |
| noonedeadpunk | shouldn't it be even open one? | 15:02 |
| dansmith | should we switch to a different one? | 15:03 |
| arne_wiebalck | I am in the waiting room as well | 15:03 |
| JayF | I mean, it seems improper to have the meeting in a different venue than the one announced ahead of time | 15:03 |
| JayF | we don't know if there are non-TC members in the lobby as well | 15:03 |
| gmann | yeah, dansmith can you start one and we can figure out some permanent link there | 15:03 |
| dansmith | JayF: yeah understand, but if she's not here and can't admin people... | 15:03 |
| noonedeadpunk | but all other meetings are open for public... | 15:03 |
| JayF | Exactly | 15:04 |
| JayF | this is essentially a non-public meeting if we change the venue | 15:04 |
| JayF | IRC as a fallback would at least be logged; but still non-ideal | 15:04 |
| noonedeadpunk | So which brings me to thought why not use https://meetpad.opendev.org/ :D | 15:04 |
| gmann | we can update and ping it in IRC | 15:04 |
| gmann | we do start the meeting in IRC also | 15:04 |
| dansmith | https://meet.google.com/eai-mwxm-ktm | 15:04 |
| JayF | noonedeadpunk: hm, that's a pretty good idea for moving forward ++ | 15:04 |
| dansmith | JayF: we should just not pre-post the url and say "find it in irc" | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | i don't think you can record in meetpad, at least not easily | 15:04 |
| JayF | I'm OK with that too; but that doesn't fix the problem with this time | 15:04 |
| gmann | tc-members: let's join here https://meet.google.com/eai-mwxm-ktm | 15:04 |
| JayF | I do not concur | 15:05 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:05 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 15:05:56 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:05 |
| JayF | o/ | 15:06 |
| gmann | everyone, tc-members video call meeting to join @ https://meet.google.com/eai-mwxm-ktm | 15:06 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:06 |
| noonedeadpunk | rosmaita: you can - jitsy is capable of recording | 15:06 |
| noonedeadpunk | at least I do see record button in some test channel | 15:07 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:07 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:07 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting | 15:07 |
| arne_wiebalck | o/ | 15:07 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 15:07 |
| JayF | o/ | 15:08 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:08 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:08 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:08 |
| gmann | #topic 2023.1 TC tracker | 15:14 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2023.1-tracker | 15:14 |
| gmann | add osc goal in the tracker | 15:18 |
| gmann | #topic TC questions for the 2023 user survey | 15:18 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2023-user-survey-questions | 15:19 |
| gmann | #topic TC chair election process | 15:20 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862772 | 15:20 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862774 | 15:20 |
| gmann | go for the dir structure than single file | 15:24 |
| gmann | #topic TC weekly meeting time | 15:25 |
| gmann | #link https://framadate.org/xR6HoeDpdXXfiueb | 15:25 |
| gmann | #startvote wed 16 UTC for TC weekly meeting with one video call in month? Yes, No | 15:39 |
| opendevmeet | Begin voting on: wed 16 UTC for TC weekly meeting with one video call in month? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 15:39 |
| opendevmeet | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:39 |
| gmann | Yes | 15:39 |
| dansmith | #vote Yes | 15:39 |
| arne_wiebalck | Yes | 15:39 |
| gmann | #vote Yes | 15:39 |
| arne_wiebalck | #vote Yes | 15:39 |
| noonedeadpunk | #vote yes | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | #vote yes | 15:39 |
| JayF | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| spotz | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| slaweq | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| knikolla | #vote Yes | 15:40 |
| gmann | #endvote | 15:40 |
| opendevmeet | Voted on "wed 16 UTC for TC weekly meeting with one video call in month?" Results are | 15:40 |
| opendevmeet | Yes (9): gmann, slaweq, arne_wiebalck, rosmaita, spotz, dansmith, JayF, knikolla, noonedeadpunk | 15:40 |
| TheJulia | Hi folks, I see a vote and a start meeting, but I don't see any discussion. This concerns me because the actual discussion of the TC is not publicly available from the meeting log for review as a result. | 15:45 |
| gmann | it is video call and it is public, recorded and will be published in youtuve | 15:46 |
| gmann | youtube | 15:46 |
| TheJulia | That seems insufficient since the words used are not searchable nor directly associated with the meeting as far as I can see. | 15:46 |
| JayF | As I said in PTG; that's still not as accessible as full IRC logs. I agree with TheJulia but understand that I'm the minority opinion now. I don't think doing video calls is nearly as open as an IRC meeting where 100% of the discussion is logged in an accessible format. | 15:46 |
| TheJulia | Bottom line, video meetings were supposed to be the exception, not the rule. | 15:47 |
| gmann | it is one meeting in month as video and rest in IRC | 15:47 |
| TheJulia | Searchable format as well. | 15:47 |
| dansmith | we've been doing video meetings once a month for, what, over a year now? I'm a fan. | 15:47 |
| JayF | I also have hearing problems and can't understand spoken word as well, but I got outvoted | 15:48 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | I was always -1 on video meetings. | 15:48 |
| TheJulia | As someone who also has hearing damage, it does not help to be forced into going and finding video meetings that cannot be text searched. | 15:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Agreed about the searchability. | 15:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | +2 TheJulia | 15:49 |
| noonedeadpunk | https://meetpad.opendev.org/tc-meeting ? | 15:49 |
| gmann | #action gmann to test the meetpad for video call | 15:49 |
| TheJulia | Bottom line, it is reduced transparancy, so unless there is is notes being taken, voted on, and approved for publishing, it really is not helpful to treat a posted video someplace on youtube as an acceptable option. | 15:50 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | It's not as timezone inclusive or where English isn't the first language. | 15:50 |
| JayF | I hear, it's OK that once a month we exclude people who have hearing loss or can't understand english | 15:50 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Also, in my experience it seems to exacerbate people talking over one another. | 15:51 |
| TheJulia | JayF: Yeah, that is my take as well. | 15:51 |
| TheJulia | which is frankly, just not cool. | 15:51 |
| TheJulia | diablo_rojo_phone: which makes it even harder for those of us with hearing damage | 15:51 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Exactly. | 15:52 |
| * TheJulia grumbles, since it is all the travel for this community which contributed to her hearing damage | 15:52 | |
| JayF | spotz++ | 15:53 |
| JayF | For those not in the video; spotz proposed that we do all TC meetings in IRC and supplement with a video office hours once a month. | 15:53 |
| TheJulia | JayF: I was just going to ask, thanks! | 15:53 |
| TheJulia | see, that is totally cool to me | 15:53 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Just because the k8s community does video calls (which they just talked about ramping down for a variety of reasons ) doesn't mean it's a solution for us. | 15:53 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | +2 I like that plan | 15:53 |
| TheJulia | and I know is cool with so many others who have expressed similar concerns about a default to video meetings | 15:54 |
| jungleboyj | JayF: ++ | 15:54 |
| knikolla | I'm torn on the subject. Seeing and talking to each other is an important activity that builds community and we seldom do in these days of working from home and slack and emails. | 15:54 |
| knikolla | I understand all the concerns. | 15:54 |
| TheJulia | diablo_rojo_phone: I've had some folks in the k8s community I know express similar transparency concerns with their own usage, so it is good to know they are starting to shift | 15:54 |
| TheJulia | knikolla: i completely agree, but a vote in irc for a discussion taking place on a video call is not transparency unfortunately | 15:56 |
| spotz | knikolla: hence still having something once a month like it is now to still get the bonds in person/visual helps with | 15:56 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | It was actively being discussed as something that prevents community members from rising to the steering committee. | 15:56 |
| knikolla | TheJulia: I agree. That vote specifically was asked by me to confirm the results of the poll. | 16:00 |
| gmann | #topic Recurring tasks check | 16:02 |
| JayF | I'm taking an action item to write a resolution to change us in line with spotz's suggestion: 4 IRC meetings + an added office hours video call | 16:03 |
| gmann | Bare 'recheck' state | 16:03 |
| dansmith | spotz: in case it's not clear, I think we agree what the problem is (no context) and I was just saying, let's not do the same thing again right here and now :) | 16:03 |
| gmann | #action JayF to propose the resolution for the TC weekly meeting on IRC or video call | 16:03 |
| TheJulia | JayF: Much appreciated, thank you | 16:03 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 16:03 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862637 | 16:04 |
| arne_wiebalck | knikolla: ++ | 16:04 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 16:05:12 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-11-03-15.05.html | 16:05 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-11-03-15.05.txt | 16:05 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-11-03-15.05.log.html | 16:05 |
| slaweq | any url for the meetpad test? | 16:06 |
| gmann | are we trying with this or any other url ? https://meetpad.opendev.org/tc-meeting | 16:07 |
| spotz | 4 of us are in https://meetpad.opendev.org/osf-diversity-and-inclusion | 16:09 |
| gmann | ohk, let's try https://meetpad.opendev.org/tc-meeting | 16:09 |
| gmann | spotz: JayF noonedeadpunk knikolla rosmaita ^^ | 16:09 |
| clarkb | jitsi meet does support recording, but not in the way ours is currently deployed. It requires you to run an additional service and you need a running version of that services for every concurrent meeting that may need to be recorded. If someone wants to figure out how to add that to our deployment I'm sure it would be appreciated. Also it works by streaming the video to another | 16:13 |
| clarkb | sink like youtube whihc can then store the video long term. | 16:13 |
| clarkb | you can also theoretically record the webrtc content on the client side. I think there are browser plugins that do htis | 16:13 |
| clarkb | https://github.com/jitsi/jibri is the component that would need to be added | 16:14 |
| clarkb | https://recordrtc.org/ is a client side option | 16:16 |
| clarkb | (that has a browser plugin so you don't have to write js aiui) | 16:16 |
| clarkb | oh yup they have a link to the chrome extension at the top of that page | 16:17 |
| gmann | recording is not so good, voice are echoing in recording | 16:19 |
| clarkb | gmann: in what recording? | 16:19 |
| gmann | local recording | 16:19 |
| clarkb | using recordrtc? | 16:19 |
| gmann | we are testing in https://meetpad.opendev.org/tc-meeting | 16:19 |
| clarkb | right, I'm trying to clarify what specifically isn't working since meetpad itself does not directly support recording | 16:20 |
| gmann | yeah | 16:20 |
| clarkb | gmann: they have a bit about fixing echo issues on the page I linked | 16:20 |
| gmann | ok | 16:20 |
| clarkb | those might be toggles in the chrome extension? I dunno I haven't used it myself | 16:20 |
| gmann | tc-members: as we need to record video call, I will ask the zoom pro if availabile. | 16:21 |
| JayF | Although I apprecaite and agree it shouldn't be a personal account forever; I do have a Zoom Pro account paid for by GR-OSS for my open source work; I'm happy to let it be used for this if no other option exists. | 16:22 |
| gmann | sure, will let you know. thakns | 16:24 |
| gmann | tc meeting recording is available @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjpxiT2Egok | 17:37 |
| gmann | dansmith: thanks for sharing recording, you can unshare now. | 17:37 |
| dansmith | cool | 17:37 |
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