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| gmann | tc-members: weekly meeting in 2 min from now | 14:58 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 15:00:10 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| arne_wiebalck | o/ | 15:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | In absence section for today meeting: rosmaita (will miss 28 July and 4 August) | 15:01 |
| gmann | let's start | 15:02 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 15:02 |
| gmann | today agenda ^^ | 15:02 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| gmann | there is one action item from previous meeting | 15:03 |
| gmann | rosmaita to send question about https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ to the legal-discuss ML | 15:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:03 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:03 |
| gmann | I saw brian added legal issue FAQ #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/850675 | 15:04 |
| gmann | slaweq is there anything else on this action item? | 15:04 |
| slaweq | gmann: no | 15:04 |
| gmann | cool | 15:04 |
| slaweq | that was all AFAIR | 15:04 |
| gmann | ok | 15:04 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:05 |
| gmann | any news on gate health before we discuss the recheck data | 15:05 |
| dansmith | nothing specific from me, | 15:05 |
| dansmith | other than the move to remove stream from the voting jobs, which I think merged | 15:05 |
| gmann | I have not monitored the gate much this week | 15:05 |
| dansmith | same | 15:05 |
| gmann | yeah that is merged | 15:05 |
| gmann | Bare 'recheck' state | 15:06 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/recheck-weekly-summary | 15:06 |
| gmann | slaweq: go ahead | 15:06 |
| slaweq | I sent new data today | 15:06 |
| slaweq | and I fixed my script a bit so it just counts comments from the given period of time (7 days in my results) | 15:06 |
| gmann | #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-July/029757.html | 15:06 |
| slaweq | percentage are still pretty high in many projects | 15:07 |
| slaweq | I tried to explain in the email about what are "bare" rechecks and what people can do to make less of them | 15:07 |
| slaweq | lets see how it will be in the next weeks | 15:07 |
| slaweq | if that will not improve, I will probably try to go to some team meetings to talk with people about it | 15:08 |
| slaweq | and that's all from me | 15:08 |
| gmann | +1, I think ML are helping to get some awareness | 15:08 |
| slaweq | definitely | 15:08 |
| gmann | thanks slaweq for collecting and sending it on ML | 15:09 |
| gmann | anything else on the Gate health? | 15:09 |
| slaweq | nothing from me | 15:10 |
| gmann | #topic 2023.1 cycle PTG Planning | 15:11 |
| gmann | as we know PTG for next cycle is planned as in-person event, we need to check who all are ok to travel and based on that we need to decide if we will have in-person PTG or virtual. | 15:12 |
| gmann | many project like QA, Cinder decided to go for virtual PTG | 15:12 |
| diablo_rojo | But there are also over a dozen projects signed up | 15:13 |
| gmann | we as TC have three option 1. if many members are not traveling then we can conduct the virtual PTG 2. if majority of TC members are traveling then in-person PTG or 3 as hybrid PTG | 15:13 |
| diablo_rojo | and we still have about 2 weeks till the team signup deadline | 15:13 |
| gmann | sure, per project is project wise decision but we can decide TC PTG | 15:13 |
| slaweq | I would like to go there but I don't know yet about if I will be able to | 15:14 |
| slaweq | so it's hard to say now | 15:14 |
| gmann | rosmaita pinged about if he can attend remotely, I think he is not planning to travel but will confirm from him | 15:14 |
| jungleboyj | I would also be remote. | 15:14 |
| arne_wiebalck | I will not travel | 15:15 |
| jungleboyj | Especially if Cinder is keeping it virtual ... | 15:15 |
| knikolla | I should be able to travel | 15:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I will be there in person | 15:15 |
| jungleboyj | Well that was a showstopper? | 15:18 |
| gmann | ok, It seems 3 'not going' 2 'going' and 3 yet to decide/tentative ? | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 15:18 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I have that kind of effect. | 15:18 |
| gmann | should I out the poll to tc-members about virtual PTG or in-person ? | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I would just start an etherpad | 15:19 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: Probably a good idea. | 15:19 |
| dansmith | I am not going | 15:19 |
| gmann | and do we want hybrid PTG (in-person + virtual)? I think that will be difficult | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Something else to consider is I had been working on getting k8s Steering there in person to meet with us | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo | (they expressed interest at KubeCon EU) | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo | and KubeCon NA is the week after | 15:20 |
| gmann | ok | 15:20 |
| gmann | let me put poll from current situation it seems 4 members are not traveling at least | 15:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't have confirmations from any of them yet, but I know there were two or three that were interested. | 15:21 |
| gmann | #action gmann to start poll among tc-members whether to do in-person PTG or virutal PTG for TC | 15:21 |
| gmann | ack | 15:21 |
| TheJulia | Would the TC engage the community in person even if the whole of the TC doe snot meet in person? | 15:22 |
| dansmith | snot? | 15:22 |
| diablo_rojo | TheJulia: I would say yes? But can you elaborate? | 15:22 |
| gmann | did not get? | 15:22 |
| fungi | doe snot -> does not | 15:23 |
| gmann | if TC decide the virtual PTG then any community member can attend it like any other virtual PTG | 15:23 |
| TheJulia | My concern is if the TC does not explicitly meet in person, then there may end up being no reason percieved by some to attend, which begins to degrade reasoning for a PTG in general. | 15:23 |
| jungleboyj | I like doe snot better. | 15:23 |
| dansmith | TheJulia: are you asking me to travel against my will to be symbolic? | 15:23 |
| diablo_rojo | TheJulia: ahhhh yes that makes sense. | 15:23 |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith: no she's not- just that the people that do attend in person meet there | 15:24 |
| diablo_rojo | which I agree should happen | 15:24 |
| gmann | TheJulia: there is some concern from community member on decision on in-person PTG where community was not involved to get feedbck | 15:24 |
| TheJulia | dansmith: no, but I'm asking for the TC to be willing to engage. I think we all know not everyone can or will be able to make it, we just can't completely disregard the need for engagement | 15:24 |
| diablo_rojo | particularly if we have k8s members attending. | 15:24 |
| gmann | engagement can be done virtually also | 15:24 |
| diablo_rojo | TheJulia: +2 | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | gmann: but then are we risking creating two entirely different events? | 15:25 |
| gmann | like we were doing now a days | 15:25 |
| dansmith | meh, I think having a fraction of the TC meeting there in person "just because" is not very useful | 15:25 |
| gmann | TheJulia: that is the risk as many project already decided to go for virtual PTG | 15:25 |
| dansmith | if the majority are not going, then fully virtual makes more sense to me, especially since anyone can attend that, whether on-site ornot | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | I'm not saying the TC *has* to meet in person there, just that there needs to be some level of engagement | 15:25 |
| gmann | agree, but by seeing the situation of travel and so, it is hard to except all engagement in-person. | 15:26 |
| dansmith | so some sort of office hours then? | 15:26 |
| gmann | *expect | 15:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I agree. | 15:26 |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith: yeah thats what I was thinking | 15:26 |
| TheJulia | dansmith: that is a great idea | 15:26 |
| knikolla | But what about Karaoke nights by the piano? | 15:26 |
| gmann | yeah, like QA decided to have virtual PTG after checking conflict time with other group in in-person event | 15:27 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann: she isn't expecting that every TC member go. | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | dansmith: Ok. That makes sense. | 15:27 |
| knikolla | I agree that there needs to be some level of engagement, and office hours seems like a good way to go about it. | 15:27 |
| TheJulia | knikolla: also a possibility, although some of us... myself included will run from karaoke :) | 15:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Just that something in person needs to happen for the folks that decide that they will be there physically. | 15:27 |
| TheJulia | ++++++++ ^ $hugenumber | 15:27 |
| dansmith | I don't agree that it's necessary, but as long as it's in addition to any sort of meeting (if we decide to be virtual), then meh | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:28 |
| gmann | so usual PTG discussion topic virtually where most of TC and community members can attend + in-person members office hour for general engagement ? | 15:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes it would be in addition I would thing because if we dont have critical mass, we can't have the conversations. | 15:28 |
| dansmith | gmann: sounds like that yeah | 15:29 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann: depending on the result of the poll to TC members, yes. | 15:29 |
| slaweq | diablo_rojo: +1 | 15:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I dont think we should just decide virtual here and now when not everyone is present. | 15:29 |
| gmann | let's wait for the poll | 15:29 |
| knikolla | It's a tough balancing act. The informality and organic engagement that in-person brings is almost impossible to recreate virtually, and I don't want to see it disappear. | 15:29 |
| TheJulia | knikolla: ++ | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | knikolla: +2, there is a trust and a openness and sense of community that we get from meeting in person that you cannot get from virtual stuff. | 15:30 |
| dansmith | but you know what works against that? | 15:30 |
| gmann | knikolla: agree but travel for everyone is also difficult things | 15:30 |
| dansmith | people who can't travel being excluded from that | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we have a lot more disagreements and struggle over little details and nitpicking these days because we havent all been able to meet in person, together, as a community in so long. | 15:30 |
| TheJulia | Then you create informal engagement to replicate. Coffee time or *whateveR* | 15:31 |
| gmann | but I think there are valid reason not to travel | 15:31 |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith: which is why we wouldnt do the main PTG discussions at the PTG if we didnt have critical mass | 15:31 |
| TheJulia | err, s/eR/er/ | 15:31 |
| dansmith | diablo_rojo: really? I have the opposite impression.. I feel like we're meeting high-bandwidth virtually much more often than we did before when we would just "meh, punt to ptg" | 15:31 |
| knikolla | Someone is going to feel left out in the end, even virtually. It's tough to balance, and I don't have a clear answer. | 15:31 |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith: There are a number of teams that still do that- punt to the PTG. | 15:31 |
| diablo_rojo | knikolla: cause timezones :) | 15:31 |
| gmann | if not PTG discussion in PTG then what is that event for? | 15:31 |
| TheJulia | community building | 15:32 |
| dansmith | diablo_rojo: sure, I'm just saying overall, I feel like the teams I'm involved with are doing virtual face-to-face meetings much more often now, to resolve tough things | 15:32 |
| knikolla | diablo_rojo: not even just timezones. I and a lot of other people struggle to speak up in Zoom meetings because of the inability to have parallel conversations. | 15:32 |
| gmann | then we should rename it for better communicating the agenda of the event | 15:32 |
| gmann | I do not think anyone against of straying in-person but it seem people cannot travel due to pandemic (which is still there) or any other valid reason are not considered . | 15:33 |
| gmann | and that is community member feedback too | 15:33 |
| gmann | I feel we should consider the majority and then decide if in-person or virtual PTG as overall | 15:34 |
| gmann | at least PTG which is developer/community-mmebers event | 15:34 |
| spotz_ | Hey all sorry I'm a bit late but I'm finally meeting my team at RH | 15:35 |
| gmann | anyways, I will put the poll for this and we will see how it goes and we can continue the discussion in next meeting too. | 15:35 |
| gmann | which is for TC PTG things. | 15:35 |
| spotz_ | Reading back through this there is value in virtual to include more people but at the same time I wouldn't change this week for anything. The connections and the conversations | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | spotz_: Saw that. That is great! | 15:35 |
| gmann | project PTG planning is as per project team. | 15:35 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: may be to get the actual situation, there should be signup for virtual PTG, that way we can get to know how many projects going for virtual PTG and how many for in-person ? | 15:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Building community is secondary to the technical discussions | 15:36 |
| diablo_rojo | but just as important. | 15:37 |
| TheJulia | Community leadership is also just as important as building and technical agreement. | 15:37 |
| gmann | I think currently we are asking only signup for in-person PTG? | 15:37 |
| knikolla | TheJulia: ++ | 15:38 |
| fungi | i don't think a virtual ptg should happen at the same time as an in-person ptg since the time constraints will be vastly different, but having virtual ptg sessions the week before or the week after might make sense | 15:39 |
| gmann | yeah it should be planned week before or after | 15:39 |
| TheJulia | fungi: ++ | 15:39 |
| spotz_ | ++ | 15:39 |
| gmann | anything else on PTG? | 15:40 |
| fungi | also the flexibility for virtual sessions is much greater, since we're not limited by the number of meeting rooms a particular venue provides, can have sessions at different times of day to accommodate people in other timezones, and so on | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Good thinking. | 15:40 |
| fungi | so planning isn't as urgent to have done farther in advance | 15:40 |
| spotz_ | I know from CentOS we're talking having both in-person and virtual events through the year | 15:40 |
| gmann | yeah, first we need to get data hw many project are not going in-person and how many going, based on that we can plan virtual one | 15:41 |
| gmann | moving next | 15:43 |
| gmann | #topic RBAC community-wide goal | 15:43 |
| gmann | nothing else to discuss on this except if you want to review the proposed update in goal if not yet done #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/847418 | 15:43 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:44 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:44 |
| gmann | i checked and most of the open review are in good shape, means voted already or waiting for deps/author action | 15:45 |
| gmann | that is all for today meeting from agenda. anything else to discuss ? | 15:45 |
| gmann | ok, if nothing else let's close today meeting | 15:46 |
| gmann | thanks everyone for joining | 15:46 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 15:46:50 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-28-15.00.html | 15:46 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-28-15.00.txt | 15:46 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-28-15.00.log.html | 15:46 |
| arne_wiebalck | thanks gmann ! | 15:46 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you all! | 15:47 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:48 |
| spotz_ | Thanks all sorry I was late | 15:51 |
| jungleboyj | BTW, it sounds like Cinder hasn't made a final decision on in person vs. virtual. | 15:56 |
| jungleboyj | But they are leaning virtual based on input thus far. | 15:57 |
| gmann | ack | 15:57 |
| gmann | QA members also going for virtual PTG but still not yet planned about which week, before or after the in-person one | 15:58 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Well, it is helpful to think about doing the virtual meetings at a different time than the in-person ones. | 15:59 |
| fungi | yeah, for people who are doing cross-team work and will be at the in-person ptg, having to juggle that going all day long and then virtual sessions which might be happening in the middle of the night or trying to find a quiet place to join a videoconference session could be a struggle | 16:02 |
| fungi | doing virtual sessions on a separate week makes that a little easier | 16:02 |
| dansmith | unless it means the physical meetings have no virtual path in | 16:03 |
| fungi | i'm unable to parse that sentence | 16:04 |
| fungi | you mean hybrid virtual+physical sessions? | 16:05 |
| TheJulia | I think that is what dansmith means | 16:05 |
| TheJulia | I know, at least in my circle of project, that there seems to be consensus of likely a couple ad-hoc video calls to pull in people who will be unable to be present in person or who can't pull visas in time. | 16:05 |
| TheJulia | Timezones.. being the root of all evil | 16:06 |
| fungi | i won't discourage that, some teams have been able to make that work okay as long as a majority of the attendees are one or the other, but a large gathering where half are on a teleconference is really challenging to make work | 16:06 |
| gmann | hybrid can be good but it is more challenging also | 16:06 |
| knikolla | I take spanish classes on a hybrid in-person and virtual mix and it works pretty well. There's some cameras with a 360 view that focus on whoever is talking. | 16:07 |
| fungi | 30 people in a nova ptg session where ~15 are in a room together and another ~15 are on a videoconference would probably not work out so well | 16:07 |
| fungi | knikolla: are those installed into the conference venue? | 16:07 |
| gmann | I think mostly it will be like that but with less members on each side. | 16:08 |
| fungi | curious what the budget would have to look like for that sort of hardware temporarily installed into conference rooms at a mid-range hotel | 16:08 |
| dansmith | TheJulia: yeah, I meant physical sessions with no way for remote people to at least marginally attend | 16:09 |
| gmann | true, hybrid event is costly and needs to be planned in advance | 16:09 |
| knikolla | fungi: They're called Meeting Owls. They're just placed on a table in the middle. | 16:10 |
| TheJulia | Yeah, that is hard, but I think it behooves projects to find a way to balance things and also document/detail as far in advance as possible so people can set schedules/plan appropriately | 16:10 |
| gmann | that is why I was saying, there should be at least data on how many projects moving towards virtual PTG. so that member can plan their travel/scheudle | 16:11 |
| fungi | knikolla: thanks! i'll look that up and pass the idea along. installing teleconference gear into conference rooms for a ptg would completely blow the budget from what i understand, but maybe it's something which can be looked into for future events | 16:12 |
| TheJulia | and also, if we're carrying a bunch of weight that makes things painfully difficult to engage through, I suspect maybe it might be time to look at streamlining and looking to reach easier consensus. We culturally built heavy weight process of an expectation of dedicated full time engagement, and that can't be reality moving forward. | 16:12 |
| TheJulia | Each project should be asking themselves these questions though, and working through things as they feel is appropriate to make our lives easier/better in whatever mutually agreeable fashion we can find. | 16:12 |
| dansmith | there's a bit of a chicken and egg problem too, | 16:16 |
| knikolla | ++, most of the people I know are not full-time on OpenStack, me included. | 16:16 |
| dansmith | nova wants to know what other projects are doing before committing, apparrantly | 16:16 |
| dansmith | man, messed that up | 16:16 |
| gmann | and I think many other projects also might be in same situation | 16:17 |
| TheJulia | dansmith: we are all, after all... and as far as I know, only human :) | 16:17 |
| * TheJulia is failry sure she is not a clone, nor an alien of some sort. | 16:17 | |
| TheJulia | knikolla: yeah, and given that the necessity needs to be on what is generally good, so we don't let ourselves get trapped by the enemy of good | 16:18 |
| TheJulia | good on top of good does begin to approach perfection too... I think :) | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo | +2 that the virtual activities should not be the week of the PTG (or the week after because a non zero number of people will be at kubeCon). | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo | And yes timezones are stupid and there will never be a perfect event. | 16:22 |
| TheJulia | perfect is the enemy of good :) | 16:24 |
| diablo_rojo | +2 | 16:25 |
| diablo_rojo | So true | 16:25 |
| gmann | challenge is that how project plan virtual PTG and its week as they have to plan it instead of any central entity like foundation or so ? | 16:26 |
| dansmith | yeah, it's nice to allow the projects to decide for themselves based on what the majority of people want, | 16:27 |
| dansmith | but it's also unfortunate to seemingly push the logistics back on them based on that decision :( | 16:27 |
| TheJulia | There is value in organic and distributed decision making since the context of the immediately neeful is localized | 16:30 |
| dansmith | yes, which is the first part of what I said | 16:30 |
| * bauzas just steps into the conversation | 16:32 | |
| diablo_rojo | gmann: teams used to do it all the time- midcycles | 16:33 |
| bauzas | fwiw, I don't wanna judge, I'm just challenged about any x-project discussions we may have | 16:33 |
| fungi | looking at it from the other end though, organizing a virtual event and an in-person event is organizing twice as many events | 16:33 |
| bauzas | I asked the nova folks, and I heard about a yay for a physical PTG, hence me replying yes to it | 16:34 |
| dansmith | fungi: right, which is why I'm not super jazzed about the idea of two events, just some support for the hybrid approach for one event | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | For reference, we have tripleO, Manila, Nova, Barbican, Keystone, Neutron, Tacker, the openstack operators, and ironic are signed up to attend in person | 16:35 |
| fungi | i wouldn't be surprised if making the venue "hybrid-capable" would double or triple the cost for an event which is already being put on with a shoestring budget | 16:35 |
| bauzas | diablo_rojo: thanks for the list, was looking into it | 16:35 |
| diablo_rojo | bauzas: I was planning on promoting the whole list when the survey closed, but for purposes here- thats what I have so far for openstack specific groups. | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | I also have StarlingX, and D&I WG and some other teams as well | 16:37 |
| bauzas | considering the usual timeslots we used for virtual PTGs, I wonder whether something hybrid could work | 16:38 |
| bauzas | with 2 or 3 hours in the morning dedicated to virtual streams | 16:38 |
| fungi | in the past when we tried to do remote participation for the design summit (like san diego/portland timeframe) we discovered that the bandwidth requirements for videoconferencing from a bunch of rooms at the same time were well in excess of the network capacity for the conference venues we'd chosen. not to mention dedicated personnel to manage the videoconferencing software (cisco supplied | 16:38 |
| fungi | them at the time). i know the technology has improved and bandwidth has too, but i would still expect a very rough experience | 16:38 |
| fungi | if the goal were to put on a hybrid event, then the venue would probably have to be chosen with that in mind | 16:39 |
| dansmith | just seems like that should be a consideration for venue selection knowing there are likely to be lots of remote-wanting people | 16:39 |
| dansmith | but I guess that ship has sailed | 16:39 |
| knikolla | I wonder if some of our partners would be willing to sponsor some 5G hotspots | 16:40 |
| fungi | well, also venue selection for the ptg focuses a lot on how to keep the ticket and hotel costs low in order to allow more people to attend | 16:40 |
| fungi | as it is we already have a bunch of sponsors helping subsidize things too | 16:41 |
| TheJulia | wouldn't the venue also have internet already? surely some people have good micrphones? | 16:41 |
| fungi | "have internet" is not necessarily the same thing as "a dozen rooms can teleconference over our internet connect, no sweat" | 16:42 |
| TheJulia | ahh, super true | 16:42 |
| fungi | and a "good microphone" for you to participate in a videoconference is not necessarily the same thing as a "good microphone" for picking up conversations involving lots of people in different parts of a conference room with perhaps questionable acoustics | 16:43 |
| diablo_rojo | But also, the PTG isn't just for openstack anymore. There are other projects and groups and teams that are attending in person, so changing direction to optimize the hotel selection for hybrid because thats what openstack wants, as opposed to keeping costs low for everyone attending isn't fair. | 16:43 |
| TheJulia | diablo_rojo: +++++ | 16:43 |
| dansmith | only the openstack people want remote options? that's interesting. | 16:44 |
| bauzas | fungi: about the acoustics, I was thinking about us wearing heasets but we're bandwidth-constrained | 16:44 |
| fungi | potentially. that's all stuff that might work, but also might not, and it's hard to know other than to get the venue to tell you it's something within their capacity, which for our lower-cost hotel conference options is generally not a focus for them | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith: so far this round, I have only heard from 3 teams within openstack ask questions around hybrid/virtual | 16:45 |
| dansmith | diablo_rojo: and you think that's somehow intrinsic to openstack-ness and not just that openstack ends up with a large-enough sample of the people that it's more likely to have a whole team tend towards "no"? | 16:46 |
| dansmith | anyway, this certainly seems to be already decided and no room for really anything to be done, so I'll stop arguing | 16:47 |
| TheJulia | So only three teams feels like a minority. Granted, I think a lot of people are still trying to navigate things like budget, family constraints, life in general, so maybe a number are just still trying to figure things out without committing either way. | 16:47 |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith: no I don't, just giving the data requested :) | 16:48 |
| diablo_rojo | There could very well be more people asking about hybrid/virtual, but at this point, for the PTG in columbus all the Foundation can really do is offer suggestions/best practices, unless a sponsor company will stepup to buy the hardware required to make it work for the event. | 16:51 |
| TheJulia | woot, hotel power outlet not actually having power and not charging devices | 16:54 |
| TheJulia | :( | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | *sad_trombone.wav* | 17:15 |
| * TheJulia suddenly springs back to mirc and tons of wav files ages and ages ago | 17:24 | |
| gmann | I have heard many project facing difficulties to attend/gather enough attendee for in-person event. | 17:35 |
| dansmith | gmann: right I kinda expect it's "yes $project will be in person because some people will be there" | 17:36 |
| gmann | true | 17:36 |
| gmann | we should formalize the things clearly before community gets more confused or scattered. | 17:37 |
| *** gibi is now known as gibi_pto | 17:43 | |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith: yes, I expect that too. | 18:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Which is fine IMO. | 18:03 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann: you mean for the TC specifically and our plan yes? | 18:03 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: I mean for all the OpenStack projects, especially for cross project sessions and to know which project is meeting virtually or in-person | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Well I will publish the list of all the teams attending in person when the survey closes August 12. | 20:00 |
| *** dasm is now known as dasm|off | 21:47 | |
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