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| gmann | tc-members meeting time | 15:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 15:00:28 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| spotz[m] | /o | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | slaweq and arne_wiebalck informed about their absence in today meeting | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | I will be out next week, btw. :-) | 15:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: ack | 15:01 |
| gmann | let's start | 15:02 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting | 15:02 |
| gmann | today agenda ^^ not much topic so may be it will be quick | 15:02 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| gmann | rosmaita to send the email on openstack-discuss and community (local user groups ML) about asking who need translation | 15:02 |
| rosmaita | yeah, still working on that | 15:02 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:02 |
| gmann | rosmaita: ack. | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | i have some questions, will wait for open discussion | 15:03 |
| gmann | rosmaita: ok sure | 15:03 |
| gmann | gmann to ask about Adjutant maintainer on ML and start the next step of retirement or adding it in In-active project list. | 15:03 |
| gmann | I sent and we have PTL volutneer also | 15:04 |
| gmann | #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-July/029514.html | 15:04 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/849606 | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 15:05 |
| gmann | please review the PTL nomination patch | 15:05 |
| gmann | gmann to remove this(environmental SIG proposal) from agenda and we will check feedback on review or ML | 15:05 |
| gmann | that is also done | 15:05 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:05 |
| gmann | one update is about centos stream 9 testing stability | 15:05 |
| gmann | centos stream maintainer joined our previous week meeting and we discussed few of the things, I sent the summary of discussion on ML #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-July/029468.html | 15:06 |
| gmann | let's see if communication improve in both way but it was clear that we both community needs to debug the failure together, expecting centos stream alone doing that is difficult for them as per devstack/tempest and failure debugging knowledge | 15:07 |
| gmann | not sure what else we can do on this then triage the failure at openstack side first and then report to them | 15:08 |
| gmann | and when to make to voting as new issue can come at any time due to nature of latest version deps in centos stream | 15:08 |
| dansmith | I think we just need to keep these periodic | 15:09 |
| gmann | keeping it non voting make failure gets ignored and making it voting impact our development progress | 15:09 |
| dansmith | unless they're going to change their workflow (which is the point of stream to begin with) I don't see how we can be voting on it | 15:09 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:10 |
| dansmith | even if they triage and fix bugs very quick, we can't stall pipelines for 24 hours, which is realistically about as fast as it could be | 15:10 |
| gmann | I also think periodic is best possible way here | 15:10 |
| gmann | true | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | does anyone have an understanding of why ubuntu-based jobs are more stable than centos? | 15:11 |
| dansmith | because the things they put in are tested | 15:11 |
| gmann | in QA office hour and I am sure other projects also, we monitor periodic job results | 15:11 |
| dansmith | stream things are not, that's the point | 15:11 |
| gmann | yeah stream is kind of testing *next* things | 15:11 |
| dansmith | we test on released ubuntu, which means it has been tested | 15:11 |
| dansmith | stream is like testing on bare upstream trees for the most part | 15:12 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | i thought it was supposed to be "mostly tested" | 15:13 |
| spotz[m] | We can definitely put out an invite but maybe with an idea of what time they’re needed | 15:13 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: not that I know of.. at least one situation before came because they were putting things into stream *so* they could test them, not *because* they had tested it | 15:14 |
| gmann | rosmaita: texsted at some level but not with all things deps latest version like openstack tested libvirt version | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | so realistically, it doesn't seem like a suitable distro to use as the basis for our CI | 15:15 |
| gmann | they put libvirt new version but how it will be working with OpenStack or any other usage is not well tested | 15:15 |
| dansmith | "tested at some level" meaning it might have passed libvirt project testing, because it landed there | 15:15 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: right that's my point | 15:15 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:15 |
| gmann | in that case we can test it periodic but keep it in our testing runtime so that we have python version testing at least which are compatible to them | 15:15 |
| dansmith | right | 15:16 |
| gmann | any objection of making it periodic with experimental pipeline(on demand run) ? | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | well, periodic would be less waste of resources than having it nonvoting | 15:16 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | but i don't know that anyone will pay attention to it | 15:16 |
| dansmith | I also think periodic is less likely to be ignored than non-voting | 15:17 |
| gmann | and we will have enough data for failure | 15:17 |
| dansmith | nv failures are basically just waste, IMHO | 15:17 |
| gmann | dansmith: true | 15:17 |
| gmann | rosmaita: in QA we do monitor all periodic job in QA projects weekly basis | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: That sounds like it might be a better approach then. | 15:17 |
| gmann | I think many other project might be doing the same. but checking periodic jobs in weekly meeting is good way | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:18 |
| dansmith | I think periodic also has more chance of being statistically stable, so noticing going from 95% pass to 100% fail is easier | 15:18 |
| dansmith | n-v jobs failing can be because of the patch not being finished, etc | 15:18 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | this sounds like a good plan to me, then | 15:19 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense to me. | 15:19 |
| gmann | cool | 15:19 |
| fungi | right, periodic jobs are testing changes which have already merged, so rules out broken changes (unless the changes themselves are suddenly introducing incompatibilities for centos) | 15:20 |
| gmann | #agree to make centos stream jobs testing in periodic way but keep it in testing runtime. monitor, debug, and report the failure to centos stream team | 15:21 |
| gmann | any other news on gate health ? | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | gmann: you can make this change in the zed template? | 15:22 |
| gmann | rosmaita: yeah, we can and remove it from non voting also which are in project side mostly | 15:22 |
| gmann | we are not stopping testing but testing in a most feasible way | 15:23 |
| rosmaita | right | 15:23 |
| gmann | so should be ok to do change in zed cycle | 15:23 |
| gmann | ok | 15:23 |
| gmann | if nothing else, moving to next topic? | 15:24 |
| gmann | #topic RBAC community-wide goal | 15:24 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/847418 | 15:24 |
| gmann | patch is up, thanks dansmith rosmaita for review | 15:24 |
| gmann | nothing else on this than other tc-members please review it as we are already late in zed cycle | 15:24 |
| gmann | unless there is any question anyone want to discuss here | 15:25 |
| gmann | ok moving next | 15:26 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:26 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:26 |
| gmann | this is one patch to review other than we already discussed #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/849155 | 15:27 |
| gmann | adding skyline in emerging technology list | 15:27 |
| gmann | that is all | 15:27 |
| gmann | rosmaita: please go ahead on i18 SIG things | 15:27 |
| rosmaita | oh, ok | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | my question is whether anyone has a suggestion for a survey tool that is accessible in china | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | or, whether that's not a concern | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | i've used wufoo, but the free version is very limited | 15:29 |
| gmann | no sure, may be we can ask ricolin about it | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will email him | 15:31 |
| gmann | Open infra day asia might be good place to inform about that survey also. it is schedule on July 22-23. ricolin is one of the organizer of it | 15:31 |
| rosmaita | thanks for that suggestion | 15:31 |
| gmann | it include most of the group of asia which are/were using translation including this SIG mainatiner ianychoi[m] | 15:32 |
| rosmaita | it's helpful to have a deadline | 15:33 |
| gmann | may be if some usage data we can get within zed cycle so that in 2023.1 we can take some decision ? | 15:34 |
| rosmaita | yep | 15:35 |
| gmann | ok, anything else on this topic? | 15:35 |
| rosmaita | nope | 15:36 |
| gmann | ok, thanks rosmaita for working on it | 15:36 |
| gmann | that is all from today meeting. | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | np, now i will work faster | 15:36 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:36 |
| gmann | let's close the meeting. thanks all for joining | 15:36 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 15:37:01 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-14-15.00.html | 15:37 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-14-15.00.txt | 15:37 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-07-14-15.00.log.html | 15:37 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you all! | 15:37 |
| clarkb | I missed the stream discussion but wanted to point out that we do have rocky images available (and I think there is work in progress to add rocky 9 now too) for rhel like testing if people want to look at that | 15:37 |
| gmann | clarkb: ack, starting some testing in rocky is good idea | 15:40 |
| rosmaita | clarkb: that is good to know ... i wonder if we should run periodic jobs in rocky, too | 15:40 |
| clarkb | rosmaita: well rocky is in theory stable like rhel beacuse its downstream of all that effort | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | right, i was thinking it would be good to have comparison data | 15:41 |
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