| opendevreview | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/governance master: Define Emerging technology and inactive projects framework https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/839880 | 05:48 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 15:00:05 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| gmann | tc-members: meeting time | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:03 |
| gmann | slaweq informed that he will not attend as holiday in Poland | 15:03 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:03 |
| gmann | dansmith also informed that he might not attend as he has medical commitment | 15:03 |
| gmann | spotz: diablo_rojo_phone arne_wiebalck are you attending? | 15:04 |
| gmann | anyways let's start. we do not have quorum but that is fine and we will not have any formal voting in this meeting. | 15:06 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting | 15:06 |
| gmann | today agenda ^^ | 15:06 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:06 |
| gmann | slaweq to report bug for fedora job failure | 15:06 |
| gmann | I think fedora job worked as dansmith tested that so no need for bug? | 15:07 |
| arne_wiebalck | sorry o/ | 15:08 |
| gmann | devstack platform job is passing and failing but not sure what is failure #link https://zuul.openstack.org/builds?job_name=devstack-platform-fedora-latest&skip=0 | 15:08 |
| gmann | arne_wiebalck: hi, np! | 15:08 |
| gmann | will check with them if anything needed on this Action item | 15:08 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:08 |
| gmann | what's news on gate? | 15:09 |
| gmann | I have not seen any frequent failure in master gate this week | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | woo hoo. | 15:10 |
| gmann | (rosmaita) update on cinder-backup memory bloat issue | 15:10 |
| gmann | rosmaita: please go ahead on this | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | Gorka was looking into this and thinks he may have a fix | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/845805 | 15:11 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/845805 | 15:11 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/845806 | 15:11 |
| rosmaita | he was talking with dansmith in either -cinder or -qa yesterday | 15:11 |
| rosmaita | the change affects all devstack services, so he's going to look further at performance | 15:11 |
| rosmaita | because it seems to work well for cinder backup and shouldn't hurt anyone else | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | but we do need to be sure | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | there's also a cinder patch, but it only affects about 30 MB of memory | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | the big one is the devstack patch which changes malloc settings | 15:12 |
| gmann | nice, I think it should be visible in performance.json file too ? | 15:12 |
| gmann | I mean the improvement should be visible in that file | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | yes, dansmith told him about that and Gorka's looking into it | 15:13 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | that's all | 15:13 |
| gmann | thanks rosmaita for updates and thanks to Gorka for fixing this. it will be a great improvement. | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | we are hopeful! | 15:14 |
| gmann | any other news on gate? including stable branch gate ? | 15:14 |
| gmann | #topic New ELK service dashboard: e-r service | 15:15 |
| gmann | I think dpawlik is also on holiday as slaweq mentioned | 15:15 |
| gmann | so skipping this topic unless anyone else have any updates on this? | 15:15 |
| gmann | #topic RBAC feedback in ops meetup | 15:16 |
| gmann | we have feedback and these are few etherpads where feedback is there from ops meetup or forum sessions | 15:17 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/BER-2022-OPS-SRBAC | 15:17 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/deprivilization-of-service-accounts | 15:17 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/rbac-operator-feedback | 15:17 |
| gmann | I was hoping to have the last etherpad as central one to collect from everywhere but no big deal | 15:18 |
| spotz | o/ Sorry I'm late | 15:18 |
| gmann | from ops meetup, it seems clear that system scope are not a popular things anyone require at this stage at least | 15:18 |
| gmann | this line make it clear #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/BER-2022-OPS-SRBAC#L47 | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | that is useful info | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | lines 37-38 are also interesting | 15:19 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:20 |
| gmann | I am not surprise that operators do not understand scope things even sometime we as developers also do not :) | 15:21 |
| gmann | but anyways this is very useful feedback | 15:21 |
| gmann | next plan is 1. I will compose all the feedback in central etherpad 2. schedule policy popup meeting on next Tuesday (21st) 3. decide the next direction based on feedback in meeting 4. update goal document and projects on agreed direction | 15:21 |
| fungi | and i still see a lot of references to "admin" in there, which should ideally only be by way of analogy for the new rbac model | 15:21 |
| fungi | given the desire to eradicate the string "admin" from default role names | 15:22 |
| gmann | fungi: yes, global admin is something most of operator want. that is what few NVF operatror also mentioned | 15:22 |
| gmann | I will do the 1st and 2nd today and let's discuss in tuesday RBAC call | 15:22 |
| gmann | anything else on RBAC topic? | 15:23 |
| fungi | i would say "global admin" is how they were referring to what they want, but it's not what we would name it | 15:23 |
| fungi | due to the baggage and confusion around what "admin" means | 15:24 |
| gmann | fungi: yeah naming is one part but it seems like "admin (someone whatever name is) able to do everything is their requirement" and that is what we wanted to avoid in new SRBAC | 15:25 |
| gmann | by introducing the scope but anyways we should ship what operator need than what developer think it can be useful for them | 15:25 |
| gmann | s/them/operator | 15:25 |
| gmann | moving next? | 15:27 |
| gmann | #topic TC + Board meeting | 15:27 |
| gmann | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1yCiZy_9A6hURXD0BRdr33OlK7Ugch5EgSvFzL-jvDIg/edit#slide=id.g129c4257ac3_0_1456 | 15:27 |
| gmann | I virtually presented the 'OpenStack Updates' in berlin board meeing | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: Thank you for doing that! | 15:28 |
| gmann | initially, there was a delay in zoom setup but really appreciate foundation, Jonathan, berlin venue guys to make it work. | 15:29 |
| gmann | but later it went well | 15:29 |
| jungleboyj | Good! | 15:30 |
| gmann | I am glad that board liked the presentation and the content. | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | nice | 15:30 |
| gmann | and happy to know about the status and challenges we are facing in OpenStack. | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | That is good. | 15:31 |
| gmann | this kind of communication was missing for last couple of years due to COVID or so and it is nice to have such updates from projects | 15:31 |
| gmann | there was discussions on OpenStack Challenges especially on diversity, fewer contributors slides | 15:32 |
| gmann | there was no solution discussion about those but at least board ack this and agreed to solve this in some way. which is what our main motive for these updates were | 15:33 |
| gmann | and on the same note, I shared the idea of starting an "Open Infra project interaction" group under board to have such regular checks/updates on each Open Infra project, not just OpenStack. Board agree to start it and we have a few volunteers also. I will communicate it on ML sometime next week. | 15:34 |
| gmann | that is overall updates from board meeting. | 15:35 |
| gmann | anything else on this or any query? | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | nope, thanks for doing the presentation | 15:37 |
| spotz | Thanks gmann | 15:37 |
| gmann | np!, hoping next time we all can attend in-person | 15:37 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:38 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:38 |
| gmann | let's discuss rosmaita item first before I check the open reviews things | 15:38 |
| gmann | (rosmaita) quick update on SLURP Release Notes | 15:38 |
| gmann | rosmaita: go ahead pleae | 15:39 |
| gmann | please | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | sure | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | i got some good feedback on the patch | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/843457 | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | I have a -W on it while i work on an update | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | though i have been working on other stuff | 15:40 |
| rosmaita | I have some ideas that I think could automate a version of the manual procedure outlined in the current patch without requiring any reno changes, but I haven't had time to test them yet | 15:40 |
| gmann | great | 15:40 |
| rosmaita | and i am kind of back-burnering this because it doesn't need to be settled until M-3 of 2023.1 (though my goal is to have it worked out before M-3 of Zed) | 15:40 |
| gmann | yeah, we have time on this | 15:40 |
| rosmaita | it's shown up on the past few gmann update emails, so i figured i should say what the status is | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | that's all from me | 15:41 |
| gmann | thanks rosmaita for updates and working on that. zed m-3 or before 2023.1 start it is fine. | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool | 15:42 |
| gmann | on open review | 15:42 |
| gmann | slaweq: updated this patch, please review/add your vote #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/839880 | 15:42 |
| gmann | and we need one mroe vote in this charter change #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/844882 | 15:43 |
| gmann | I think jungleboyj arne_wiebalck ^^ you can add your vote | 15:43 |
| gmann | other are done already | 15:43 |
| jungleboyj | Looking. | 15:44 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:44 |
| gmann | that is all from me today | 15:44 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss from anyone? | 15:44 |
| gmann | if nothing else let's close the meeting. | 15:45 |
| gmann | Thanks everyone for joining. | 15:45 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 15:45:30 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-06-16-15.00.html | 15:45 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-06-16-15.00.txt | 15:45 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-06-16-15.00.log.html | 15:45 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 15:45 |
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