| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/governance master: [masakari] Transfer PTL role to suzhengwei https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/824509 | 08:24 |
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| opendevreview | Gustavo Sanchez proposed openstack/governance master: Add the cinder-nimblestorage charm to Openstack charms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/824585 | 14:36 |
| dansmith | gmann: irc or video today? | 14:37 |
| dansmith | ah, you said irc in the email, so I assume so | 14:47 |
| dansmith | I'm playing post-operative nursing assistant for the next few days :/ | 14:47 |
| yoctozepto | :-( | 14:49 |
| gmann | dansmith: yeah. IRC. | 14:55 |
| gmann | tc-members meeting time | 15:00 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jan 13 15:00:12 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | we have quorum as required in today meeting, let's start | 15:02 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Agenda_Suggestions | 15:02 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 15:02 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | o/ | 15:03 |
| gmann | no action item from previous meeting | 15:03 |
| gmann | #topic TC vote on gender-neutral language bylaws change. | 15:03 |
| gmann | #link https://lists.openinfra.dev/pipermail/foundation/2021-October/003016.html | 15:03 |
| gmann | Need TC official approval for section Appendix 4, "OpenStack Technical Committee Member Policy". In the first paragraph it changes "his or her" to "their". | 15:03 |
| gmann | you might have read the above email from wendar | 15:04 |
| gmann | this is section which changes need TC approval #link https://openinfra.dev/legal/openstack-technical-committee-member-policy | 15:04 |
| gmann | before we start voting about approval, any question? | 15:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Nope. | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | easy peasy | 15:05 |
| jungleboyj | Pretty clear and easy. | 15:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Fairly straight forward. | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | Indeed, no doubt I see. | 15:06 |
| fungi | what sort of majority is required for the vote? | 15:06 |
| fungi | (simple or 2/3?) | 15:06 |
| spotz | o/ sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
| gmann | 5 as quorum ? | 15:07 |
| gmann | we have 8 TC members here so let's start voting | 15:07 |
| gmann | #startvote TC vote on gender-neutral language bylaws changes in section Appendix 4, "OpenStack Technical Committee Member Policy"? Yes, No, Abstain | 15:07 |
| opendevmeet | Begin voting on: TC vote on gender-neutral language bylaws changes in section Appendix 4, "OpenStack Technical Committee Member Policy"? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 15:07 |
| opendevmeet | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:07 |
| dansmith | we need to vote here instead of in gerrit? | 15:07 |
| gmann | #vote Yes | 15:08 |
| spotz | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| gmann | dansmith: here is fine | 15:08 |
| diablo_rojo | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| ricolin | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| dansmith | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | #vote Yes | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| jungleboyj | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | 8/8/9 | 15:08 |
| gmann | everyone is yes | 15:08 |
| gmann | #showvote | 15:08 |
| opendevmeet | Yes (8): dansmith, yoctozepto, belmoreira, ricolin, jungleboyj, spotz, gmann, diablo_rojo | 15:08 |
| gmann | thanks everyone | 15:08 |
| wendar | thanks all! | 15:08 |
| gmann | #endvote | 15:09 |
| opendevmeet | Voted on "TC vote on gender-neutral language bylaws changes in section Appendix 4, "OpenStack Technical Committee Member Policy"?" Results are | 15:09 |
| opendevmeet | Yes (8): dansmith, yoctozepto, belmoreira, ricolin, jungleboyj, spotz, gmann, diablo_rojo | 15:09 |
| fungi | yeah, looks like simple majority is all that was needed, per 9.1(d): "The amendment of Section 4.13 and the OpenStack Technical Committee Member Policy shall require the affirmative vote of the majority of the Board of Directors and the majority of the OpenStack Technical Committee." | 15:09 |
| gmann | wendar: anything else on this topic you would like to talk or we need from TC side ? | 15:09 |
| wendar | That's it. | 15:09 |
| gmann | ok, thanks for joining too | 15:10 |
| gmann | let's move to next topic | 15:10 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:10 |
| gmann | any highlights/news on gate. | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | \o/ | 15:10 |
| dansmith | noting from me on the gate (sadly) | 15:10 |
| gmann | there were few devstack changes on failure/backport which are merged | 15:11 |
| gmann | one thing is about centos8 EOL | 15:11 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-January/026621.html | 15:11 |
| gmann | clarkb: sent ^^ email about that and project need attension | 15:12 |
| fungi | yes, we're in the process of excising centos-8 (non-stream) images from our configuration | 15:12 |
| gmann | I have pushed job/nodeset removal from devstack victoria/ussuri also as it needs to be done in those stable branches too | 15:12 |
| gmann | stable/wallaby and onwards already transitioned to centos-stream | 15:12 |
| fungi | everyone's assistance is appreciated in either switching jobs to centos-8-stream nodes or dropping jobs if that doesn't make sense | 15:12 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:13 |
| gmann | these are devstack patches, please check in case anyone have objection or want to help to add centos-stream job in victoria and ussuri #link https://review.opendev.org/q/I36751569d92fbc5084b8308d423a75318ae7d406 | 15:13 |
| fungi | some folks (e.g. openstack-helm/loci) had already started to spot problems with centos 8 package repositories and epel, disagreements on version requirements and such, so i don't expect it to remain viable much longer anyway | 15:14 |
| gmann | I think there is no objection overall (from any project as far as i read reply in ML thread) on removal of centos8. | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | in kolla we are dropping centos linux 8 hard | 15:14 |
| gmann | k | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | hard to object if it's eol anyway | 15:14 |
| gmann | frickler: chateaulav Jan end is deadline right? if I read correctly ? | 15:14 |
| gmann | clarkb: ^^ | 15:14 |
| gmann | chateaulav: sorry please ignore the pin | 15:15 |
| gmann | ping | 15:15 |
| fungi | deadline for gracefully merging fixes, yes | 15:15 |
| gmann | cool | 15:15 |
| fungi | after that we'll break jobs/configuration for projects if necessary to remove the node definitions | 15:15 |
| gmann | sounds good | 15:15 |
| gmann | anything else on gate health ? | 15:16 |
| gmann | #topic Progress checks on Yoga Tracker | 15:16 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker | 15:16 |
| gmann | Please update if any progress on any of your assigned items | 15:17 |
| gmann | I have marked yoga testing runtime as completed | 15:17 |
| gmann | yoctozepto need early feedback on tag removal patch #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/822900 | 15:17 |
| gmann | I will review after meeting, sorry to miss this | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Tab open! | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | no problem, I understand we are all busy :-) | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | thanks gmann and diablo_rojo | 15:18 |
| gmann | other item I think good to do is 'User Survey Feedback Analysis/Responses' so that we can collect any AI/working item we need for Yoga cycle | 15:19 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: any plan on that^^ | 15:19 |
| jungleboyj | Not at the moment. I need to make time for that. | 15:19 |
| jungleboyj | Will put it on my backlog. :-) | 15:20 |
| dansmith | I also know the unified limits thing is pending | 15:20 |
| dansmith | just...a lot going on right now :/ | 15:20 |
| jungleboyj | dansmith: ++ | 15:20 |
| gmann | no issue, please take time. and thanks for working on those | 15:20 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. | 15:21 |
| gmann | anything else on any of item from tracker before we start the Z release name thing ? | 15:21 |
| gmann | Z Release Cycle Name | 15:22 |
| gmann | we are little late on this as release team need to start the Z release schedule or so | 15:22 |
| gmann | I have started the process | 15:22 |
| spotz | I'm surprised by how many names we have already | 15:22 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for doing that. | 15:22 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/824201 | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | spotz: me too, z looks popular | 15:22 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Yeah, I looked at that yesterday and was surprised! | 15:22 |
| gmann | please review this | 15:22 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Naming/Z_Proposals | 15:23 |
| gmann | current proposed name and yes there are lot | 15:23 |
| gmann | I was also had concern if we will get only few name with Z but it is opposite :) | 15:23 |
| dansmith | there's only one legit name on that list | 15:23 |
| dansmith | obviously Zomicron | 15:24 |
| gmann | :) | 15:24 |
| jungleboyj | Zomicron ? | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | is that a word? | 15:24 |
| dansmith | doesn't matter | 15:24 |
| fungi | yeah, it's just before zomnomnom in the dictionary | 15:24 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, I get it. | 15:24 |
| dansmith | lol | 15:24 |
| belmoreira | very appropriate | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | xDDD | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | Doot dooot da doo doo | 15:25 |
| gmann | as first step, please review the vote schedule #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/824201 | 15:25 |
| spotz | What sort of related question, have we decided to go bacck to A or noot yet? | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: I thought we had agreed to do that. | 15:25 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz that has always been the plan? | 15:25 |
| gmann | and next step is about naming process change which is what we discussed in PTG | 15:25 |
| gmann | spotz: yeah we agreed on that | 15:26 |
| gmann | L353 in https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-ptg | 15:26 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-ptg | 15:26 |
| spotz | Just confirming I knew we'd talked about it but couldn't remember if we'd 100% decided | 15:26 |
| diablo_rojo | THe only thing that was up for debate was if we were changing cadence when we loop back around | 15:26 |
| gmann | belmoreira: has item to propose the process change and A plan | 15:26 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, it was decided when they set the naming scheme way back before our times lol | 15:26 |
| gmann | one change for Z we talked is to 'open vote' instead of just 'TC vote' | 15:27 |
| belmoreira | gmann yes... time to start to think about it | 15:27 |
| gmann | I am wondering if we should keep old process 'TC vote' fore Z and change the process from A cycle ? | 15:27 |
| gmann | due to time constraint specially | 15:27 |
| spotz | I always thought it was fun voting so I think we should open it back up | 15:27 |
| belmoreira | as usual the best would be to get the input from the community | 15:27 |
| gmann | belmoreira: thanks | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: ++ | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | I am happy with that. It felt weird with just us voting. | 15:28 |
| gmann | from Z cycle itself ? | 15:28 |
| fungi | in the end the tc ends up deciding whether the community vote is viable, or deciding which selections the community gets to vote on, so the tc is still deciding it | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: I am ok waiting for A to make the change, but it would be nice if it were a community vote for Z . | 15:28 |
| spotz | +1 jungleboyj | 15:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | I know everyone is busy, so don't want to make it harder on people. | 15:29 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: yeah that was my hope but we are little late for Z and I do not want to delay it further | 15:29 |
| dansmith | yeah, whatever is least effort is best here, IMHO | 15:29 |
| dansmith | this is "fun" but not that important | 15:29 |
| fungi | also defining "community" is challenging. it'll be fun to see what the next opinion is on how to poll "the community" for a name choice | 15:29 |
| spotz | Didn't we goo through that for voting already on the TCC? | 15:29 |
| dansmith | if waiting until A is easier, that makes sense to me, but if it's easy to just revert to open right now for Z then just do it | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, yes, but this will be at a much larger scale | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | And it was just the special election? | 15:31 |
| gmann | dansmith: we need a another formal-vote and reivew on process change and that is after we push that so it will take time | 15:31 |
| dansmith | ah | 15:31 |
| dansmith | yeah | 15:31 |
| dansmith | makes sense for A then | 15:31 |
| gmann | ok, let's continue the same process 'TC vote only' for Z and work on process change for future releases in parallel | 15:31 |
| fungi | you can make it a completely open poll, that's fairly easy, but it's roughly the same as asking twitter what we should name the release. in the past we've also tried things like limiting it to the foundation individual members, limiting it to the tc electorate, and so on | 15:31 |
| jungleboyj | Works for me. | 15:31 |
| dansmith | gmann: ++ | 15:32 |
| jungleboyj | Twitter result ? Zoinks ! | 15:32 |
| belmoreira | gmann +1 | 15:32 |
| gmann | cool, I will start that once schedule is merged. | 15:33 |
| spotz | gmann +1 | 15:33 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: ++ | 15:33 |
| ricolin | gmann, +1 | 15:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good. | 15:33 |
| gmann | let's move to next topic | 15:33 |
| gmann | #topic SIG i18n status check | 15:33 |
| gmann | ianychoi[m]: has fixed the things and continue to lead this SIG. | 15:33 |
| gmann | I think we are ok now and we can drop this topic from agenda now? | 15:34 |
| spotz | Sounds good | 15:34 |
| gmann | unless anyone has any feedback or so | 15:34 |
| gmann | thanks again ianychoi[m] for help | 15:35 |
| gmann | #action gmann to remove the SIG i18 topic from meeting agenda | 15:35 |
| gmann | #topic Adjutant need PTLs and maintainers | 15:35 |
| gmann | no update on this | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | are we waiting indefinitely? | 15:36 |
| gmann | humm, Braden said still waiting for permission from company. ands there is no other help offering | 15:37 |
| gmann | so I will say let's see for Yoga and if during release or next cycle it is not decided then we think about other option like retirement or so | 15:37 |
| fungi | is it still releaseable for yoga? | 15:38 |
| gmann | this is time for next FY budget planning for most of company so i understand the waiting on permission things | 15:38 |
| gmann | Adrian said he will continue to help until someone will lead so I am hoping yes | 15:39 |
| gmann | we will see how it goes | 15:39 |
| fungi | just noticing that no changes have merged to the openstack/adjutant repo since october | 15:39 |
| diablo_rojo | And they still haven't been a part of a coordinated release. | 15:40 |
| fungi | oh, did they never actually reach releasable state anyway? | 15:40 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, no I don't think so. | 15:41 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:41 |
| fungi | releases.o.o claims adjutant 3.0.0 was included in xena | 15:41 |
| fungi | and 2.0.0 in wallaby | 15:41 |
| diablo_rojo | I was pretty sure that was empty.. | 15:41 |
| diablo_rojo | I would have to dig in further though. | 15:41 |
| fungi | 1.0.0 in victoria | 15:42 |
| gmann | elodilles ^^ feel free to reachout to us for Adjutant release issue if any for Yoga as it facing maintainer issue | 15:42 |
| fungi | looks like it's been "released" as part of the coordinated openstack release as far back as ussuri | 15:42 |
| fungi | https://releases.openstack.org/ussuri/index.html#ussuri-adjutant | 15:43 |
| gmann | k | 15:43 |
| gmann | let's wait on this and we will see if any things we need to do in Yoga or ok to wait until next cycle start during PTL appointment process | 15:43 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:44 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:44 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, I'm either wrong about the not being released or missing something else then. My mistake. | 15:44 |
| gmann | we have 8 open review, let's see what all need attension | 15:44 |
| gmann | [masakari] Transfer PTL role to suzhengwei #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/824509 | 15:45 |
| gmann | this is ready to vote, thanks yoctozepto for your leading masakari | 15:46 |
| yoctozepto | :-) | 15:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes, thank you for all your hard work! | 15:46 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:46 |
| gmann | other project updates need two project-config change to merge | 15:47 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/823803 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/824584 | 15:47 |
| gmann | fungi: mnaser frickler clarkb ^^ if any of you can review these | 15:47 |
| fungi | sure | 15:47 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:48 |
| gmann | other review are in review i think. | 15:48 |
| gmann | that is all from my side for today meeting. | 15:49 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss ? | 15:49 |
| fungi | we discussed project renames in this week's opendev meeting | 15:49 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from me. | 15:49 |
| gmann | fungi: when it is planned ? | 15:50 |
| fungi | #link https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/infra/2022/infra.2022-01-11-19.01.log.html#l-75 | 15:50 |
| fungi | monday the 2022-01-24 is what we're planning to announce | 15:50 |
| gmann | ok, sounds good | 15:50 |
| fungi | no specific time decided yet, but probably late utc hours | 15:51 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:51 |
| fungi | so if any other renames/moves are known to be needed, please get them onto the list in our agenda wiki | 15:51 |
| gmann | ack | 15:51 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 15:52 |
| gmann | if nothing else, let's close today meeting. | 15:53 |
| spotz | Thanks gmann and everyone! | 15:53 |
| gmann | thanks all for joining and stay safe. | 15:53 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jan 13 15:53:31 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-01-13-15.00.html | 15:53 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-01-13-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-01-13-15.00.log.html | 15:53 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 15:53 |
| yoctozepto | thanks gmann | 15:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks gmann! | 15:55 |
| elodilles | gmann: thanks! I don't know but i guess adjutant was just automatically released since it had changes and release management tooling caught it and was force approved. as far as I see there are merged bugfixes already so i think if we leave it like it is now, then it will be released the same way. Should we have any action to prevent the adjutant release? | 19:04 |
| fungi | bug fixes which merged to master a few days after the xena release, looks like. nothing since | 19:38 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: did they get backported? | 19:44 |
| fungi | i didn't check, merely looked at the dates on the commits in master | 19:47 |
| yoctozepto | ok | 19:48 |
| elodilles | yepp, only some bug fixes. one is backported to xena, wallaby and victoria | 19:48 |
| yoctozepto | ok | 19:48 |
| fungi | most recent merge to the master branch was october 26, three weeks after the xena release | 19:48 |
| elodilles | (victoria patch hasn't merged yet) | 19:48 |
| gmann | elodilles: thanks, no action needed. doing it in same way is good. I was wondering if there are some requried things from release team and due to no maintainer those are stuck. | 19:51 |
| gmann | elodilles: thanks for reply | 19:51 |
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