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| gmann | tc-members: meeting time | 15:00 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Dec 9 15:00:17 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: indeed | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| spotz | o/ | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | two members would not be joining as mentioned in absence section | 15:02 |
| gmann | Dan Smith on PTO until 2nd Jan | 15:02 |
| gmann | Belmiro Moreira <belmoreira> - OpenInfra Live | 15:02 |
| ade_lee | o/ | 15:03 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:03 |
| gmann | we have 5 TC now so quorum, let's start | 15:03 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:04 |
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| gmann | ricolin_ to schedule adhoc meeting for pain point discussions | 15:04 |
| gmann | that is done, we had first meeting yesterday | 15:04 |
| gmann | thanks ricolin | 15:04 |
| ricolin | NP | 15:04 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:05 |
| gmann | what's the news on gate | 15:05 |
| gmann | I have not seen much frequent failure last week | 15:05 |
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| gmann | I think gate is not loaded much due to dec month may be | 15:07 |
| spotz | possib;e | 15:07 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:07 |
| fungi | we do still max out our test node capacity regularly, but not for the majority of the day | 15:07 |
| fungi | backlogs are typically not that long, and we tend to catch up quickly at the moment | 15:08 |
| gmann | ok | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | very well | 15:08 |
| jungleboyj | That is at least an improvement. | 15:09 |
| fungi | some teams, particularly neutron, have been taking a closer look at the percentage of overall utilization their changes represent | 15:09 |
| fungi | and working on reducing waste | 15:09 |
| gmann | yeah, they had discussed it in this week neutron CI meeting | 15:09 |
| gmann | also on e-r query | 15:09 |
| ricolin | fungi, devstack-platform-arm64 on check-arm seems to stuck for 25 hr is there anything I can do to unlock it? | 15:10 |
| fungi | ricolin: i'll take a look, but we should probably discuss that in #openstack-infra or #opendev | 15:10 |
| ricolin | fungi, we can discuss it after meeting | 15:11 |
| gmann | also, in QA we are going to discuss about collaboration on openstack-health dashboard with TripleO team. they are working on same dashboard so it will be good to reuse the existing one | 15:11 |
| gmann | kopecmartin will add the call details on ML | 15:11 |
| gmann | anything else on Gate health ? | 15:12 |
| gmann | #topic Pain points discussion meeting updates | 15:13 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-December/026245.html | 15:13 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/pain-point-elimination | 15:13 |
| gmann | we had meeting yesterday and ricolin already sent the summary on ML | 15:13 |
| gmann | we did check on many projects yesterday mentioned in ML | 15:14 |
| fungi | i saw zigo posted a few additions to the ml earlier today as well | 15:14 |
| ricolin | yes for Glance | 15:14 |
| fungi | and swift | 15:15 |
| gmann | yeah, we still have not covered all from etherpad but we can add them in the list | 15:15 |
| gmann | from yesterday discussion, we have two action item for TC which we can talk about here | 15:15 |
| gmann | I have added those at L47 in #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker | 15:16 |
| gmann | 1. Check possibility for OSC as community-wide goals, find champion | 15:16 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker#L47 | 15:16 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:16 |
| gmann | Artem volunteered in past to drive this as goal but we need to check again if Artem is ok to do now as per bandwidth or so | 15:17 |
| gmann | at least to have goal proposed | 15:17 |
| gmann | and after that we will talk about selecting it based on various factor like work needed, proposed targets dates etc | 15:18 |
| gmann | ricolin: would you like to check with Artem if not then we can ask other TC members or community member to drive it ? | 15:19 |
| ricolin | sure | 15:19 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:19 |
| gmann | #action ricolin to check with Artem about championing the OSC community-wide goal | 15:19 |
| gmann | next AI for TC is 2. Technical guidlines for logging levels with more example or scenarios | 15:19 |
| gmann | This will be a good outcome from TC on technical side to provide more detailed guidelines on Log levels. I am going to add it in our Technical guidelines section | 15:20 |
| gmann | Please add your name as volunteer if you would like to help on this | 15:21 |
| ricolin | The origin discuss is here if anyone interested | 15:21 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/pain-point-elimination#L265 | 15:21 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:22 |
| gmann | moved it to L13 in yoga tracer | 15:22 |
| gmann | tracker | 15:22 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker#L13 | 15:22 |
| gmann | and next meeting to continue the main point discussion will be schedule after Mid Jan sometime when most of community/TC members will join after vacations | 15:23 |
| gmann | I would like more TC members to join that and help where ever we can. This is one of good help to community if we as TC can solve/help to solve some of the pain points | 15:23 |
| spotz | While we're talking about guidelines I -W the directory as there was conflicting reviews on what to use as the placeholder | 15:24 |
| gmann | spotz: I was ok to refactor the current one and we do not need placeholder but if you do not want to touch those existing one then we can abandon and wait for first new guidelines to be proposed | 15:24 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/815921 | 15:25 |
| spotz | Ok maybe I was just confused:) I made a pllaceholder.rst that duplicated on used in anoother place vs the unified-linits.rst I originally had but then I read Dan as wanting the unified-linits.rst name vs placeholder | 15:26 |
| spotz | sorry for all the typos:( | 15:27 |
| gmann | spotz: yeah, let's leave the placeholder for unified limit. if you want to setup the directory then we can refactor the existing guidelines into different files like I mentioned in gerrit | 15:29 |
| gmann | other option is- we can just wait for the first guidelines to be proposed with directory structure. | 15:29 |
| gmann | spotz: I am ok with any option ^^ you prefer | 15:31 |
| gmann | and will review the patch accordingly | 15:31 |
| spotz | Ok I'lll giove it another looook | 15:31 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:31 |
| gmann | moving next if nothing else on pain points discussion ? | 15:31 |
| gmann | #Topic Yoga tracker | 15:32 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker | 15:32 |
| gmann | let's iterate over it and see the progress | 15:32 |
| gmann | one thing, I am happy that we are moving and doing more technical work in Yoga which is helping community | 15:33 |
| gmann | I will writeup the summary on ML what all things we are doing so that it can be easily read instead of going through the each items in tracker etherpad | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:34 |
| gmann | 1. Technical Guidelines: - we already talked about it | 15:34 |
| gmann | 2. GATE health: this too, this is in every weekly meeting agenda | 15:34 |
| gmann | 3. Yoga testing runtime updates | 15:35 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/820195 | 15:35 |
| gmann | I have pushed the updates we agreed in TC meeting | 15:35 |
| gmann | tc-members ^^ need more reviews | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | I'm unsure if I can still vote on that since I modified it | 15:35 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: I think you can but I will wait more vote from other TC when i will count | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | ok, let's do it like this then :-) | 15:36 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:36 |
| gmann | 4. TAG framework removal proposal | 15:36 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: any updates on removal proposal ? | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | no, sorry, it just needs to be done; my question is whether we need a resolution commited? | 15:37 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: I prefer to spend time on work than writing resolution :) but yes we can write one as this is something we are removing the very old framework | 15:38 |
| gmann | just a summary with all links to ML, PTG etc | 15:38 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: that's what I thought :-) | 15:38 |
| yoctozepto | not sure if this year but I will certainly propose it :-) | 15:39 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: no issue, thanks | 15:39 |
| gmann | 5. Improvement in project governance | 15:39 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: ^^ | 15:39 |
| gmann | I have not seen progress but let's check later | 15:41 |
| gmann | 6. Release name process change | 15:41 |
| gmann | belmiro is not here but I have not seen proposal yet. let's check later | 15:41 |
| gmann | 7. Community-wide goals: | 15:41 |
| gmann | decoupling is done, and we have two goals ready (selected/active). sent on ML too | 15:42 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-December/026218.html | 15:42 |
| gmann | one item left in this is adding the checklist. | 15:42 |
| gmann | ricolin: please add link in etherpad whenever you are ready. | 15:43 |
| gmann | 8. User Survey Feedback Responses | 15:43 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: ^^ | 15:43 |
| jungleboyj | Have not started on that yet. Will get that in my queue. | 15:44 |
| gmann | thanks. | 15:44 |
| gmann | 9. Technical Writing (doc) SIG | 15:44 |
| gmann | this is mine, and done. I have marked it done | 15:44 |
| gmann | that is all for Yoga tracker. | 15:44 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss on this? | 15:44 |
| spotz | Nope | 15:45 |
| gmann | #topic Updates on community-wide goal | 15:45 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-December/026218.html | 15:45 |
| gmann | I sent the two active goals to ML so that projects can plan and start working on those | 15:46 |
| gmann | RBAC goal is all ready with new direction, thanks to everyone who helped in discussion, review and especially lbragstad | 15:46 |
| gmann | Proposed community goal for FIPS compatibility and compliance | 15:47 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/816587 | 15:47 |
| gmann | ade_lee: is still waiting on more reviews as next step discussed in last meeting | 15:47 |
| ade_lee | yup | 15:48 |
| gmann | I have not had chance to review it, I will try next week sometime but other TC members please check it. | 15:48 |
| gmann | ade_lee: anything else you would like to add? | 15:48 |
| ade_lee | work is continuing on this goal, but yeah, just waiting for reviews at this point | 15:48 |
| spotz | I was waiting to vote based on the -1 ccomment, is this something that should be addressed before we go much further? Even if just a response | 15:49 |
| ade_lee | the timelines may need to be adjusted depending on when the goal is adopted | 15:49 |
| ade_lee | spotz, I thought there was a response | 15:49 |
| ade_lee | responses from me and fungi | 15:49 |
| gmann | yeah, once proposal is ready then timeline can be revisit. | 15:49 |
| spotz | ade_lee: see it noow:) | 15:50 |
| spotz | reading and willl vote after | 15:50 |
| ade_lee | thnaks | 15:50 |
| gmann | moving next | 15:51 |
| gmann | #topic Adjutant need PTLs and maintainers | 15:51 |
| gmann | no updates on this. still waiting on Braden getting permission | 15:51 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:51 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:51 |
| gmann | one is this which we talked already #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/820195 | 15:52 |
| gmann | ricolin: diablo_rojo ^^ if you can vote in this | 15:52 |
| * ricolin checking | 15:52 | |
| ricolin | +1ed | 15:53 |
| gmann | and on skyline proposal, Team have responded now with the plan which seems good to me, I will check those and review after meeting. other tc-members also can add your vote/feedback #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/814037 | 15:53 |
| gmann | ricolin: thanks | 15:53 |
| gmann | approved this #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/819856 | 15:54 |
| gmann | last review which we did not talk is #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810037 | 15:55 |
| gmann | ricolin has updated it, I will review after meeting. | 15:55 |
| gmann | last check: how many members are around for next meeting on 16th Dec. I will be there | 15:55 |
| jungleboyj | I will be here next week. | 15:56 |
| gmann | based on that we can decide on to cancel it or not | 15:56 |
| spotz | I'll be around next week but not the 2 weeks after | 15:56 |
| jungleboyj | Same here. | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | 16 is still fine so far | 15:56 |
| gmann | ricolin: diablo_rojo ? | 15:57 |
| ricolin | I will be around all these weeks:) | 15:58 |
| gmann | ok. | 15:58 |
| gmann | we have at least 5 members so let's do it on 16th and for 23rd or so we will discussion in 16th Dec meeting | 15:58 |
| gmann | that is all from me today. anything else to discuss ? | 15:58 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:59 |
| gmann | if nothing else, let's close it. thanks all for joining | 15:59 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Dec 9 15:59:40 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-12-09-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-12-09-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-12-09-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:00 |
| ricolin | gmann, thanks | 16:00 |
| yoctozepto | thanks gmann | 16:00 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Add NVidia vGPU plugin charm to OpenStack charms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/819856 | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Multitasking is clearly not my stron suit today | 16:03 |
| spotz | Thanks gmann and everyone | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I have a local change I need to push | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | thanks gmann | 16:03 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: ack, thanks. | 16:11 |
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