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| opendevreview | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Modify the meeting channel preference https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/794839 | 09:41 |
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| fungi | mnaser: spotz: i see you're mistral's tc liaisons... i'm trying to get up with their security liaison and not having much luck (either via launchpad, or the e-mail address listed in governance, or asking around in the team's irc channel)... do you know if the project is still maintained? | 14:46 |
| gmann | fungi: yes, it is slow progress. many of freenode migration patches are not merged even I added many core there | 14:51 |
| fungi | noted | 14:52 |
| spotz | fungi I believe it is. Let me see what I can find | 14:56 |
| fungi | thanks! | 14:56 |
| gmann | tc-members: meeting time. | 15:00 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jun 17 15:00:16 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| spotz | o/ | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | let's start | 15:01 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| gmann | gmann reachout to sahara team and PTL to get control of the #openstack-sahara channel | 15:02 |
| gmann | there is no response , I will check again | 15:02 |
| fungi | that's been solved | 15:02 |
| gmann | ok | 15:02 |
| gmann | did you get contyrol | 15:02 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:03 |
| fungi | sergey got back to folks, and got access turned over, and i've reverted the temporary bot removal patch for that channel, so yeah all set now | 15:03 |
| gmann | fungi: great. thanks | 15:03 |
| fungi | at this point there are no remaining channel access tasks | 15:03 |
| gmann | nice, thanks again | 15:04 |
| fungi | we're completely caught up | 15:04 |
| * mnaser wallks in late | 15:04 | |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Nice! | 15:04 |
| gmann | ricolin to send email on asking projects to enable and test tls-proxy in their jobs | 15:04 |
| ricolin | also send patches already to projects | 15:05 |
| gmann | ricolin: you did I think | 15:05 |
| fungi | i know he sent it, i read it ;) | 15:05 |
| ricolin | to enable tls-proxy | 15:05 |
| spotz | :) | 15:05 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-June/023000.html | 15:05 |
| ricolin | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%2522exame-tls-proxy%2522+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 15:05 |
| gmann | mnaser, yoctozepto, and jungleboyj to work on cinder bug with cinder team. | 15:07 |
| gmann | any update on the cinder bug | 15:07 |
| mnaser | i had some discussions .. yesterday or before yesterday? this week is all a blur :) | 15:07 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: I followed up with Cinder and thanks to mnaser for debug help. | 15:07 |
| mnaser | we've identified one failure caused by a segfault that has an open patch | 15:07 |
| mnaser | not sure if that merged or not | 15:07 |
| jungleboyj | I need to double check. | 15:07 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/772126 | 15:07 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Ah good. Will work to get that merged today. | 15:08 |
| gmann | nice | 15:08 |
| mnaser | so this is ONE failure case where lvdisplay was segfaulting ... so, once that merges, if we see more further failures, id be happy to debug them | 15:08 |
| jungleboyj | We also had barbican issues causing failures which are now fixed. | 15:08 |
| mnaser | i dont know if this is going to close all of the issues, but, it's one class of them | 15:08 |
| mnaser | thanks to dansmith for sharing a failure with me, | 15:08 |
| jungleboyj | I think that there will be more sefaults that we need to handle. | 15:09 |
| mnaser | please feel free to share cinder fails with me and im happy to debug, turns out being an operator for a hot minute means you can comb through these failures quickly (: | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | We have gotten agreement from the Cinder team to not blindly recheck but to start keeping track of failures. | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Yeah, I was impressed with the response time. :-) | 15:09 |
| gmann | that is good direction | 15:09 |
| mnaser | jungleboyj please cc me on any failures and ill gladly dig into them | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Awesome. Thank you! | 15:09 |
| fungi | our ci resources thank them for not just blindly rechecking changes without looking into failures too ;) | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think we made good progress there this week. | 15:10 |
| mnaser | gmann: in summary, we're moving in a positive direction | 15:10 |
| dansmith | excellent news | 15:10 |
| gmann | great, thanks a lot mnaser jungleboyj dansmith for getting things done | 15:10 |
| gmann | and Cinder team. | 15:10 |
| spotz | Great work! | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:11 |
| gmann | let's move to next topic | 15:11 |
| gmann | #link Gate health check (dansmith/yoctozepto) | 15:11 |
| gmann | this is same topic | 15:11 |
| gmann | any other news | 15:11 |
| dansmith | nothing other than the above from me | 15:11 |
| gmann | ok | 15:12 |
| jungleboyj | That is progress too. :-) | 15:12 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check (dansmith/yoctozepto) | 15:12 |
| gmann | sorry i missed the topic thing | 15:12 |
| dansmith | look gmann , I said no more! :P | 15:12 |
| dansmith | oh, hehe | 15:13 |
| gmann | ok | 15:13 |
| gmann | #topic Migration from 'Freenode' to 'OFTC' (gmann) | 15:13 |
| jungleboyj | ヽ(ຈل͜ຈ)ﾉ︵ ┻━┻ | 15:13 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-irc-migration-to-oftc | 15:13 |
| mnaser | freenode helped us in doing that so thats nice | 15:13 |
| mnaser | is anyone still there? | 15:13 |
| gmann | I sent reminder to projects to finish the wiki/doc updates | 15:14 |
| dansmith | I dropped all my openstack joins | 15:14 |
| gmann | me too | 15:14 |
| jungleboyj | I got k-lined | 15:14 |
| jungleboyj | Gave up at that point. | 15:14 |
| spotz | I'm still thterer I thihnk | 15:14 |
| gmann | I did small write up also in openatack blog #link https://www.openstack.org/blog/the-openstack-community-irc-network-moved-to-oftc/ | 15:15 |
| gmann | and OpenStack/Openinfra site required update on two page are also informed | 15:15 |
| gmann | also I asked Alison price about twitter etc from openstack account | 15:16 |
| gmann | and remaining thigns we need is to finish the project side wiki/doc | 15:16 |
| gmann | I will keep this until we finish those too | 15:16 |
| gmann | anything else on this topic ? | 15:16 |
| gmann | #topic Recommendation on moving the meeting channel to project channel | 15:17 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/794839 | 15:17 |
| gmann | this is merged now so we are good on this | 15:17 |
| gmann | I will remove this from next meeting agenda | 15:17 |
| gmann | #topic Governance nono-active repos retirement & cleanup | 15:18 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/governance-repos-cleanup | 15:18 |
| gmann | I started this ^^ etherpad to cleanup the non-active repos under governance | 15:18 |
| gmann | I added some data also like last relevant commit | 15:19 |
| gmann | any objection on any of the repo to start the retirement ? | 15:19 |
| spotz | I'm good | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:20 |
| gmann | openstack/scientific-wg one is to talk to Scientific SIG first and then take decision, I will reach out to them | 15:20 |
| gmann | ok, I will start cleaning those | 15:21 |
| gmann | before I move to Open Review | 15:21 |
| spotz | I haven't seen any Scientific SiH meeting reminderrs in a while but think they're still about | 15:21 |
| gmann | yeah, I will email to chair | 15:22 |
| belmoreira | they are still going | 15:22 |
| gmann | Y release naming: we have one TC member yet to vote on Y release name | 15:22 |
| gmann | today is last day to vote | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | the scientific-wg repo does not look relevant too much anyway | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | they might be good to retire it as well | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | but yeah, needs asking | 15:23 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: yeah in case you want to continue or so | 15:23 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: and you won't tell us who that late member is? | 15:23 |
| yoctozepto | I hope you remembered to vote :-) | 15:23 |
| gmann | I do not know until I end the vote | 15:23 |
| gmann | CIVS just show the number of voter vs authorized voters | 15:23 |
| yoctozepto | oh, tricky | 15:23 |
| jungleboyj | I voted this morning. Have you checked in the last hour or so? | 15:23 |
| spotz | Vote vote!!!! | 15:24 |
| gmann | yes, just now i refreshed | 15:24 |
| * yoctozepto remembers morning was 9 hours ago | 15:24 | |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:24 |
| jungleboyj | My morning. | 15:24 |
| * jungleboyj is still in morning. | 15:24 | |
| yoctozepto | obviously | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | it is either timezone or a good party :-) | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | (or both) | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | Bwah hah ha | 15:25 |
| belmoreira | I liked what jungleboyj did with the poll | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. I didn't expect the response I got and unfortunately found out that Survey Monkey holds your info hostage after 40 respondents. | 15:25 |
| gmann | yeah, I still like to have community to vote instead of just TC but jungleboyj way is good to get vote from community | 15:25 |
| spotz | <e too, wish I'd thougght of it but I'dd just voted when he posted! | 15:26 |
| belmoreira | it shows that people are willing to participate | 15:26 |
| gmann | yes | 15:26 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: Yeah, wanted to get the community input too and let everyone feel like they could help. Honestly, I couldn't choose and needed help. | 15:26 |
| spotz | Do we maybe want to open voting back up? | 15:26 |
| yoctozepto | jungleboyj: what won from the community? | 15:26 |
| gmann | I am in favor of that | 15:26 |
| spotz | yoda:) | 15:26 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: I would say yes, but it got so contentious. | 15:27 |
| * spotz rerad the tweet:) | 15:27 | |
| gmann | ok, Iw ill add topic in next meeting for voting rights to communtiy again | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | https://twitter.com/jungleboyj/status/1405503937470513154 | 15:27 |
| spotz | Sweet, I like the idea I wasn't sure why it changed | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | So, likely it will be Yak? | 15:27 |
| belmoreira | I think this is one of the things that all the community should be involved. I don't remember why it changed | 15:28 |
| fungi | the problem with opening voting up "to the community" is you'll need to settle on a mechanism for doing that (deciding who gets to vote, how to let people know to vote, et cetera) whereas holding a poll for a known set of contacts is relatively trivial | 15:28 |
| spotz | I honestly don't know if yoda will pass legal but think of the poossibilities. We can have Baby Yoda as rc1:) | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | lol | 15:28 |
| belmoreira | fungi true | 15:28 |
| gmann | we can find some mechanish on that, let's discuss next | 15:29 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Yeah, depending on what the final vote is we are likely to have Legalissues. | 15:29 |
| gmann | next week | 15:29 |
| gmann | for this release, can everyone check if they have voted or not. | 15:29 |
| spotz | I did | 15:29 |
| jungleboyj | I did. | 15:29 |
| fungi | but also, in the end, it's the tc and foundation legal who have to agree on a choice, so it gets contentious when the community favorite winds up getting overridden by tc dictate | 15:29 |
| mnaser | i just did | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | oh, so we have all votes cast | 15:30 |
| mnaser | (but honestly didn't pick a name because i still don't think i get to name releases) | 15:30 |
| gmann | fungi: yeah, we need to change that thingsso that we can avoid ussuri likle situation | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | SHOW US THE RESULTS | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Ah, that is right. I knew the community was upset by something in the process. It was the fact we had to override. | 15:30 |
| gmann | mnaser: ditto, same here | 15:30 |
| gmann | dansmith: diablo_rojo ? | 15:30 |
| mnaser | so everything is ranked 18 for me | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | OMG, so we don't even have everyone voting. | 15:30 |
| gmann | ricolin: ? | 15:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I voted. | 15:31 |
| jungleboyj | I guess we do need to change the process given that I went to a community vote. | 15:31 |
| dansmith | gmann: what are you asking me? I voted. | 15:31 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: yeah, I am in favor of that since starting | 15:31 |
| gmann | dansmith: ok | 15:31 |
| gmann | I think ricolin left then ? | 15:32 |
| belmoreira | also voted | 15:32 |
| gmann | I will check with him | 15:32 |
| ricolin | sorry catching up, double meeting_ | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | ricolin: vote for Y name :-) | 15:32 |
| ricolin | oh! | 15:32 |
| ricolin | voted! | 15:32 |
| ricolin | :) | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | oh | 15:32 |
| gmann | great, its vote now | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | then gmann needs to refresh | 15:32 |
| gmann | let me end and see result | 15:33 |
| * yoctozepto can't wait | 15:33 | |
| gmann | https://civs1.civs.us/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f065453ffd2537cb | 15:33 |
| * jungleboyj does a drumroll, Christmas Vacation Style. | 15:33 | |
| yoctozepto | oh noez | 15:33 |
| gmann | I also voted 18 for all with same reason mnaser mentioned | 15:33 |
| dansmith | ugh, so it's going to be york? | 15:33 |
| mnaser | well | 15:34 |
| mnaser | we need legal vetting first | 15:34 |
| mnaser | so id wait before we go screaming to the twittarz :) | 15:34 |
| dansmith | right I assume yoda and yeti will be ruled out | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | Assuming that Yoda and Yeti lose upon legal vetting. | 15:34 |
| gmann | as next step i will check the legal things with foundation | 15:34 |
| yoctozepto | so it's Yak then | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | And it is a tie between York and Yak. | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | Yak was rated higher in my community vote so I would support that. | 15:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah definitely let legal go first. | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:35 |
| ricolin | will see | 15:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I had already voted before jungleboyj started his poll or I would have done 18 for all of them too. | 15:35 |
| spotz | Yeti should pass legal | 15:35 |
| ricolin | I still give my high hope on Yoda:) | 15:35 |
| gmann | yeah, this is one part of process and we will get the final name after legal checks | 15:35 |
| diablo_rojo | As it was I did 18 for 15 of them and 1 for three pronounceable names. | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, I am sorry, York isn't tied with Yak | 15:35 |
| * jungleboyj is glad that 'you' didn't win. | 15:35 | |
| yoctozepto | ^ that ^ | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 15:36 |
| gmann | one more thing which is not in agend but good to discuss "election official onboarding meeting by diablo_rojo " | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Yeti ... The coolers. | 15:36 |
| fungi | i suppose if it winds up being york, we know where to have the next ptg | 15:36 |
| dansmith | You should have been disqualified, | 15:36 |
| ricolin | `you cycle` sounds strange :) | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, it's not a noun | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | it's a pronoun | 15:36 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: go ahead | 15:36 |
| dansmith | because it would be impossible to distinguish between people saying U release and You release | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | OpenStack is all of us. | 15:37 |
| fungi | it's the y'all release down here | 15:37 |
| jungleboyj | LOL | 15:37 |
| spotz | jungleboyj: Yeah but Rocky the movie, I think therer's enough other uses of the word | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | dansmith: we should call it "Why" as in "Why did you call it <<you>>?" | 15:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh yeah well I setup a meeting | 15:37 |
| * dansmith scowls | 15:37 | |
| diablo_rojo | for the... | 15:38 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Well, we will see what happens with Legal. | 15:38 |
| gmann | ohk moving to "election official onboarding meeting by diablo_rojo " | 15:38 |
| gmann | 10:36 AM <jungleboyj> Jay Bryant | 15:38 |
| diablo_rojo | 29th | 15:38 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: sorry, it was copy paste :) | 15:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes. | 15:38 |
| spotz | jungleboyj: I'm just saying it's a possible. Yoda I don't think will pass:( | 15:38 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-June/023060.html | 15:38 |
| diablo_rojo | So, for those interested in being election officials. | 15:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Please join! | 15:38 |
| gmann | who all volutneer to help for next election ? | 15:38 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 15:39 |
| diablo_rojo | I will have to teach people and then hang around in an advisory capacity becuase I think I am up for reelection. | 15:39 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: I think you would not be able to be election official if you are running for TC. | 15:39 |
| gmann | ok | 15:39 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yep, that is correct. | 15:39 |
| spotz | I said I'd help | 15:39 |
| gmann | we need two member at least right? or one is enough | 15:39 |
| fungi | or for ptl | 15:39 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, does that meeting work for you? | 15:39 |
| diablo_rojo | we can run a combined election again | 15:40 |
| fungi | more generally, if you're running for an office you can't officiate the election you're also running for, as it would be a conflict of interest | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | I offered to help if you guys need me. | 15:40 |
| gmann | +1 for combined election | 15:40 |
| diablo_rojo | What fungi said :) | 15:40 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, aren't you going to be up for reelection with me? | 15:40 |
| fungi | s/can't/shouldn't/ really | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yes, but I am not planning on running again at this point in time. | 15:41 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: yeah it looks doable. I'll get it on my work calendarr. Won't say I won't be on the pony:) | 15:41 |
| gmann | I will add this to next meeting agenda also to have next election official or we get someone from community | 15:41 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, oh cool then yes please help | 15:41 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:41 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, sounds good | 15:41 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, spotz I attached the ical to the email so you should be able to block your calendars with it | 15:42 |
| gmann | #action gmann to add election official assignments in next week meeting agenda | 15:42 |
| jungleboyj | Yep. It is on my calendar. I will attend the meeting. If there are enough people interested in helping I will leave my options open. | 15:42 |
| * jungleboyj is all about going with the flow lately. | 15:42 | |
| spotz | hehe | 15:43 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: spotz thanks | 15:43 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:43 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open' | 15:43 |
| diablo_rojo | You are all welcome to join to learn about the process even if you don't help this time | 15:43 |
| gmann | panko retirement has enough vote but I added OpenStack Puppet PTL to ack this. | 15:44 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: ++ | 15:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Learning this time doesn't mean you HAVE to do it for the next election | 15:44 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: My thought exectly. | 15:44 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: I'd say puppet has nothing to deploy if panko is retired | 15:45 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: yes, but as pocess we need PTL +1 for repo retirement from their project | 15:45 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: should mrunge repropose to retire only telemetry's part then and don't worry about puppet-panko? | 15:46 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: puppet-panko content is also removed so we can do it together or in separate patch which agfain need PTL +1 | 15:47 |
| gmann | so I am fine with waiting on this patch itself | 15:47 |
| yoctozepto | ack | 15:47 |
| gmann | I added them in Reviewer but they have not yet voted. I will ping on IRC also if available | 15:48 |
| gmann | that's all form me for today meeitng | 15:48 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss? | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | not from me | 15:48 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from me. | 15:49 |
| ricolin | diablo_rojo, can you update according https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/778304/4/sigs.yaml#b163 | 15:49 |
| spotz | Nada | 15:49 |
| ricolin | for the K8s SIG irc | 15:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Sure. | 15:50 |
| ricolin | nothing else from me | 15:50 |
| ricolin | diablo_rojo, thanks:) | 15:50 |
| gmann | ok, let's close then | 15:50 |
| gmann | thanks all for joining. | 15:50 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jun 17 15:50:45 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-06-17-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-06-17-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-06-17-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
| ricolin | thank you gmann | 15:50 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks all! | 15:50 |
| yoctozepto | thanks gmann | 15:51 |
| spotz | Thanks gmann and everyone! | 15:51 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: I'll see you in a few hours:) | 15:52 |
| opendevreview | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: k8s SIG updates https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/778304 | 15:52 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, yep! | 15:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Good reminder :) | 15:53 |
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| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: k8s SIG updates https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/778304 | 16:11 |
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| zaneb | just a reminder that the thinking behind having the TC vote on names was that y'all could filter out the ones that will obviously just cost the OSF a bunch of money to reject at legal review (like "Yoda"), names that seem funny but clearly make everyone's life a little bit worse (like "You"), and names that could cause an international incident and get us all banned from summit (like <redacted>) | 21:09 |
| fungi | yeah, after the debacle with meiji, the tc was a bit gun-shy about the possibility of people voting for uyghur or urumqi on the tenth anniversary of the... event | 21:30 |
| gmann | that should be solved by having some pre-trademark check or so which does not invovle cost instead of limiting the voter and expecting those voter to collectivly decide on filtering the names | 21:42 |
| fungi | sure, the problem was twofold: 1. the standing policy documented by the tc at the time was that all submissions could be voted on by the community, but also 2. "the community" was not well-defined and trying to support that voting model while guarding against brigading and similar abuses was nontrivial | 22:06 |
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