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| fungi | quiet office hour today | 15:26 |
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| gmann | I think after weekly meeting, all office hours are quiet. | 15:26 |
| fungi | anyone put any more thought into the vacancy provisions laid out in https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#election-for-tc-seats | 15:27 |
| fungi | ? | 15:27 |
| fungi | fourth bullet: "If there is no candidate available to fill the vacancy as per above mentioned criteria (either no extra candidate from election results or none of the candidates who do not win in previous elections accept the vacant TC partial term), then special election is held to fill the vacancy." | 15:28 |
| gmann | added this in etherpad which we can discuss in tomorrow meeting | 15:29 |
| gmann | one option we discussed is to reduce the seat to 8 | 15:30 |
| gmann | but that is something need more discussion. | 15:30 |
| fungi | yeah, i think that means amending https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#number-of-seats-to-elect | 15:30 |
| gmann | or in PTG may be | 15:30 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:30 |
| fungi | i would be wary of taking a vote to revise the charter without a full set of tc members | 15:30 |
| fungi | there is at least one volunteer to run in a special election for the vacant seat | 15:31 |
| fungi | but also, there's not much point in having rules about how to fill vacancies if the tc decides to no longer have a set number of seats | 15:32 |
| gmann | this talks about "If a seat on the TC is vacated before the end of the term for which the member was elected, the TC will select a replacement to serve out the remainder of the term. " - https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#election-for-tc-seats | 15:34 |
| gmann | but does not talk on vacant seat from election | 15:34 |
| fungi | the seat was vacant before the end of the term because there is nobody to serve out any of the term | 15:35 |
| fungi | it does indicate a rule for holding a special election if there are not sufficient additional candidates from the prior election to choose from | 15:35 |
| gmann | mean in between of term. I am finding difficulties to map this to "election vacant seat". which is first time ever i think | 15:36 |
| fungi | in this case a seat for the 2021-q1 to 2022-q1 term is vacant well before the 2022-q1 election. the charter says the tc will have 9 members in total | 15:36 |
| fungi | yes, the charter doesn't specifically lay out what to do if you don't have enough people run for the tc to fill the available seats, but it has rules which can be applied without particularly distorting their intent | 15:37 |
| fungi | if you forget for a moment that not enough people ran in the 2021-q1 election, the actual words and intent of that provision seem entirely applicable | 15:38 |
| gmann | yeah, I am wondering if that need some charter change too | 15:38 |
| fungi | there is a vacancy, it's too long before the next election to just wait for it to be filled then, and there is explicit guidance in the charter as to how to deal with that exact situation | 15:39 |
| fungi | that the seat was vacated on the day of the prior election seems like a minor detail | 15:40 |
| fungi | the charter doesn't say that it's not applicable to that situation, it just doesn't mention that it also applies in that specific case | 15:40 |
| fungi | vacant at the very start of the term seems like it's just a special case of an early term vacancy | 15:41 |
| fungi | which the charter already covers | 15:41 |
| fungi | anyway, it seems like that would be the safest interpretation of the current charter. and then with a full 9 tc seats, the validity of subsequent votes to amend the charter wouldn't be in question | 15:43 |
| fungi | for example changing vacancy provisions or further adjusting the future tc size | 15:44 |
| gmann | yeah, as i read it seems like we should modify in both option but not sure if its just me. | 15:45 |
| gmann | let's discuss in tomorrow meeting. | 15:45 |
| fungi | also when is the tc electing its new chair? is that already underway? | 15:46 |
| fungi | or is that being deferred until its decided what to do about the vacant seat? | 15:47 |
| gmann | not yet discussed on chair too. | 15:47 |
| gmann | I do not think chair election needs to wait for vacant seat fill but may be yes if there is election for chair or the 9th member want to be chair or so? | 15:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Add Ghanshyam nomination as chair https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/782811 | 16:15 |
| gmann | tc-members ^^ my nomination for TC chair. | 16:15 |
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