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| diablo_rojo_phon | Just sent it. | 00:55 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Sorry it was late. | 00:55 |
| fungi | np, thanks again! | 01:00 |
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| yoctozepto | lol, I am blind, sorry gmann, that was mnaser :D (though gmann occupies the line before and after the wish so it was easy to see wrong) | 07:25 |
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| gmann | yoctozepto: you heard my unwritten wishes, see :) | 13:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rafael Weingartner proposed openstack/election master: Adding Rafael Weingärtner candidacy for Cloudkitty https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779525 | 16:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Thode proposed openstack/election master: add Matthew Thode PTL candidate for Requirements https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779536 | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthias Runge proposed openstack/election master: Adding Matthias Runge candidacy for Telemetry https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779537 | 16:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Martin Kopec proposed openstack/election master: Add Martin Kopec candidacy for Quality_Assurance PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779543 | 17:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Vishal Manchanda candidacy for Horizon PTL(Xena) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779423 | 18:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Brian Rosmaita candidacy for Cinder PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779425 | 18:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Chris MacNaughton candidacy for OpenStack Charms PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779434 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add mgoddard candidacy for Kolla PTL for Xena https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779480 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: [Rally] Add candidacy for xena cycle https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779483 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Takashi Kajinami candidacy for Storlets PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779485 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Pierre Riteau's candidacy for Blazar PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779490 | 18:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Spyros Trigazis proposed openstack/election master: Add Spyros Trigazis candidacy for magnum PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779554 | 18:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Spyros Trigazis proposed openstack/election master: Add Spyros Trigazis candidacy for magnum PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779554 | 19:18 |
| fungi | a little over 4 hours from close of nominations and we're still lacking any ptl candidates for the following teams: Adjutant Barbican Cyborg Keystone Masakari Mistral Monasca Openstack_Chef Senlin Swift Vitrage Zaqar Zun | 19:25 |
| fungi | tc-members: please reach out to your teams if you think it's warranted | 19:25 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 19:26 |
| fungi | we also need at least two more tc candidates to fill open seats | 19:26 |
| dansmith | swift and keystone are the ones in that list that raise concern for me | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Working on it. I'll poke timburke about swift. | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | dansmith: pretty sure Tim just missed the email- it happened last time too. | 19:26 |
| dansmith | okay cool | 19:26 |
| yoctozepto | masakari and tc coming soon | 19:27 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: nice | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yayayay yoctozepto! | 19:27 |
| gmann | many of those project current PTLs are in Asia TZ | 19:28 |
| fungi | also if someone can get ahold of noonedeadpunk about https://review.opendev.org/779321 that would be appreciated. he hasn't seen my review comment and i've tried irc privmsg as well | 19:28 |
| gmann | fungi: noonedeadpunk is on vacation this week | 19:29 |
| gmann | jrosser updated me on ansible channel, | 19:29 |
| dansmith | surely that's something we can handle right? | 19:30 |
| fungi | ahh, okay. worst case the tc can just appoint him once he gets his foundation profile solved | 19:30 |
| dansmith | can someone not just fix the nom | 19:30 |
| dansmith | ? | 19:30 |
| gmann | yeah, we cannot update the email id so we have to appoint | 19:30 |
| fungi | i don't know if the problem is lack of any foundation membership, or simply needs an different e-mail address (anyone have any guess which address to try?) | 19:31 |
| gmann | or we add such exception in deadlines. if patch is proposed but not merged due to some issue | 19:31 |
| fungi | it's not a huge deal regardless. the election officials confirm all the nominees they can, any teams with no confirmed nominee are referred to the tc to appoint someone | 19:32 |
| fungi | the tc generally appoints whoever volunteers. so it's already an exception with some defined process which should arrive at the same result | 19:32 |
| gmann | Mistral is going to try the DPL model as discussed previously | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/election master: Propose yoctozepto for Masakari PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779568 | 19:34 |
| fungi | gmann: according to the dpl resolution they needed to declare that in the projects.yaml sooner i think? but better late than never | 19:34 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20200803-distributed-project-leadership.html#process-for-opting-in-to-distributed-leadership | 19:36 |
| fungi | i guess make sure they do those bits if they haven't already | 19:36 |
| gmann | fungi: yeah, that can be done during PTL assignment period. | 19:36 |
| fungi | "A project team may change their opt-in status only once a release cycle, to ensure that the elections officials have clarity on which project teams need PTL elections. All requests should be received by week R-5 of the release calendar." | 19:37 |
| fungi | sooner would have been nice, but yeah | 19:37 |
| gmann | we need allee mandatory liaison also | 19:37 |
| gmann | all three | 19:37 |
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| fungi | i guess this week happens to be r-5 | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Just confirmed timburke will be self nominating for Swift. | 19:39 |
| fungi | so depending on how you read that, they're not late, but it does complicate how we report things to the tc (basically the election officials will tell the tc that mistral is leaderless, then the tc will presumably work with the mistral team on the change to dpl model) | 19:39 |
| gmann | yes that is the plan | 19:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Eyal proposed openstack/election master: Add Eyal Bar-Ilan candidacy for Vitrage PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779571 | 19:42 |
| gmann | we discussed in TC meeting last month or so. if no PTL from them Renat agree to try the DPL model | 19:42 |
| gmann | I think this time we will have less PTL-less project compare to Wallaby | 19:42 |
| yoctozepto | that is because 3 were retired | 19:48 |
| gmann | :) | 19:48 |
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| fungi | okay, i finally managed to spot the problem with noonedeadpunk's nomination, he seems to have mistyped his e-mail address ;) | 19:58 |
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| fungi | as an election official i would feel slightly weird correcting that myself and then confirming, but maybe a tc member wants to fix the change for him? | 19:58 |
| gmann | fungi: in election patch? | 19:59 |
| fungi | yeah, the e-mail address for the filename is is missing an "e" | 19:59 |
| fungi | https://review.opendev.org/779321 | 19:59 |
| fungi | the failing query in https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/1451b14d1f30458a82cab2136e78dedd/console returns content if i add the missing "e" | 20:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/election master: Adding Dmitriy Rabotyagov candidacy for OpenStack-Ansible https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779321 | 20:03 |
| gmann | fungi: ^^ | 20:03 |
| fungi | thanks! | 20:05 |
| gmann | did anyone ping knikolla for Keystone/TC re-running? | 20:08 |
| gmann | i have not seen him online recently | 20:08 |
| fungi | /whois says "idle: 02 hours 50 minutes" | 20:10 |
| fungi | so maybe around | 20:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Spyros Trigazis candidacy for magnum PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779554 | 20:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Matthias Runge candidacy for Telemetry https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779537 | 20:11 |
| gmann | fungi: it is green now https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779321/3 | 20:13 |
| fungi | yep, just double-checking it. thanks again! | 20:13 |
| gmann | thanks | 20:14 |
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| gmann | pinged chaconpiza for monasca. | 20:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Propose yoctozepto for Masakari PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779568 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Eyal Bar-Ilan candidacy for Vitrage PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779571 | 20:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: add Matthew Thode PTL candidate for Requirements https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779536 | 20:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/election master: Propose yoctozepto for TC https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779575 | 20:29 |
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| fungi | with roughly 2.5 hours to go for nominations, we still need one more tc nominee in addition to the fourth one awaiting a second official's confirmation | 21:12 |
| dansmith | fungi: can I nominate gmann to get two votes? | 21:13 |
| gmann | :) | 21:13 |
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| fungi | he does the work of two people, that's for sure | 21:14 |
| dansmith | fungi: seems only fair | 21:15 |
| * gmann does that mean two paystub :P | 21:16 | |
| dansmith | gmann: TC paycheck of $0? you can have two, sure | 21:18 |
| gmann | haha | 21:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/election master: Tim Burke candidacy for Swift PTL (Xena) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779590 | 21:44 |
| dansmith | gmann: if I were you I'd be looking forward to double the paid vacation after the release is over, more than the double paycheck | 21:47 |
| dansmith | this has been a rough one for me | 21:47 |
| gmann | that also work fine for me:P. | 21:48 |
| gmann | you have done a lot in this release. | 21:49 |
| dansmith | not a "gmann lot" but.. yeah, just lots going on this time | 21:49 |
| gmann | you should apply for double vacation, well deserve | 21:50 |
| * dansmith goes to his manager with "gmann says I should get double vacation" | 21:51 | |
| dansmith | I'll let you know how that goes :) | 21:51 |
| gmann | :) | 21:52 |
| fungi | celebrity name-dropping, it'll go farther than you think! | 21:53 |
| * dansmith will try | 21:59 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Tim Burke candidacy for Swift PTL (Xena) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779590 | 22:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Propose yoctozepto for TC https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779575 | 22:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Dmitriy Rabotyagov candidacy for OpenStack-Ansible https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779321 | 22:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Martin Kopec candidacy for Quality_Assurance PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779543 | 22:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Rafael Weingärtner candidacy for Cloudkitty https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779525 | 22:35 |
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| fungi | tc-members: do you have a contingency plan for what will happen if you don't get a fifth tc candidate in the next 42 minutes? | 23:02 |
| jungleboyj | Wow ... | 23:02 |
| mnaser | fungi: i'm genuinely not sure how to navigate that | 23:02 |
| mnaser | fungi: wanna join the fun again? :) | 23:03 |
| gmann | I think this is first such case. | 23:03 |
| jungleboyj | Random community member generator? | 23:03 |
| * jungleboyj remembers when it was cool to be on the TC. | 23:03 | |
| dansmith | jungleboyj: funny, but.. not funny | 23:03 |
| fungi | i'm already being told i can't resign as an election official because we have no additional volunteers to help run elections ;) | 23:03 |
| mnaser | we could extend for a few days and go out to seek people, i feel like the election timing was hard at this time | 23:03 |
| dansmith | can we do what we do for PTLs and agree to choose someone? | 23:04 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Yeah. It came up quickly. | 23:04 |
| jungleboyj | dansmith: I am not sure that we can. | 23:04 |
| dansmith | is that because something says we can't or because this situation isn't covered in any rules | 23:05 |
| dansmith | ? | 23:05 |
| mnaser | i dont know if we've ever had this situation before | 23:05 |
| jungleboyj | dansmith: Probably the latter. | 23:05 |
| mnaser | so i dont think there's a uh | 23:05 |
| mnaser | plan | 23:05 |
| gmann | yeah, not written any where | 23:05 |
| dansmith | right, so I'm very much in favor of improvising with a sane procedure in the absence of any doctrine | 23:05 |
| gmann | or we can reduce the number of TC further | 23:06 |
| dansmith | gmann: also fine with that, if allowed | 23:06 |
| mnaser | if we do that | 23:06 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#election-for-tc-seats has guidance for handling vacancies, you could probably interpret it as a vacancy | 23:06 |
| dansmith | reducing the size is a pragmatic acknowledgement that there's lack of supply of people willing to put in the time | 23:06 |
| mnaser | we'll be an even number of members i think | 23:06 |
| gmann | even with 1 vacant seat, it should not impact min required number of votes on patches or so | 23:07 |
| dansmith | mnaser: concerned about all our big too-much-energy to agree fights? :) | 23:07 |
| fungi | we already reduced the size of the tc from 13 to 9 over the past two elections | 23:07 |
| gmann | yeah | 23:07 |
| mnaser | i think going down to 8 is ok | 23:07 |
| mnaser | i cant imagine us being deadlocked so badly | 23:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Aside from being an even number | 23:08 |
| mnaser | i think being 8 is ok, i dont think we'll have problems | 23:08 |
| dansmith | I'm fine with that | 23:08 |
| mnaser | but we should look into changing the size of it the tc again imho | 23:08 |
| gmann | yeah | 23:09 |
| gmann | good to discuss in PTG | 23:09 |
| gmann | as per the volume of work we have or want to do | 23:09 |
| fungi | okay, if there's reasonable consensus for it, and assuming no fifth certifiable nominee in the next 34 minutes, the election officials can acclaim the 4 candidates we have and leave it up to the tc to handle the rest (there will be no need for a runoff poll unless we get at least two more candidates anyway) | 23:11 |
| mnaser | fungi: agreed | 23:11 |
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| dansmith | we can propose the motion to shrink on the meeting in two days with news that one spot is vacant right? | 23:11 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Sounds like a plan. | 23:11 |
| gmann | we can go with the same plan as 'vacancy in between or TC term' https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#election-for-tc-seats | 23:12 |
| mnaser | dansmith: we can also push up a patch too once election stuff is over too | 23:12 |
| dansmith | mnaser: so we can agree on the meeting you mean? | 23:12 |
| fungi | yeah, according to our published election timeline, we have another 10 days before the election results would become official anyway | 23:12 |
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| gmann | yeah, we should reduce seat after election period is over | 23:13 |
| mnaser | dansmith: we can publish a thing to vote on and it has to go through the few days being up for community to vote on | 23:13 |
| mnaser | and it might be a charter change | 23:13 |
| knikolla | i might not be able to attend the meeting, but i agree with the plan | 23:13 |
| mnaser | it is, so it will probably involve a vote which will have to be open for a week anyways | 23:13 |
| fungi | so under normal circumstances (with a runoff poll) we wouldn't know who was going to occupy the open tc seats until march 19. if there aren't enough candidates for a runoff, then we simply have that information 10 days ahead of schedule | 23:13 |
| mnaser | so we can talk about it in the meeting but we still need to get a change and wait for it to be voted/etc | 23:13 |
| dansmith | xk | 23:13 |
| dansmith | *ack | 23:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Adrian Turjak proposed openstack/election master: nominate Adrian Turjak as PTL for Adjutant in X cycle https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779627 | 23:14 |
| diablo_rojo | adriant, is doing his candidacy for adjutant right now. | 23:14 |
| fungi | knikolla: just to confirm, you're not planning to run for a seat on the tc this time? | 23:14 |
| gmann | which is 8 votes for charter change | 23:14 |
| diablo_rojo | So thats one less project we don't need to do appointment | 23:14 |
| mnaser | gmann: i think its 2/3rd for the charter change | 23:14 |
| gmann | how many project left for PTL nomination ? | 23:14 |
| knikolla | fungi: correct. neither as tc, neither as keystone ptl. | 23:15 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, 26 | 23:15 |
| fungi | knikolla: thanks! just wanted to be sure | 23:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I think | 23:15 |
| gmann | ah still 26 ? | 23:15 |
| fungi | no, it's fewer | 23:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Well soon to be 25 | 23:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh oops | 23:15 |
| diablo_rojo | need to update master | 23:15 |
| mnaser | wait, we have 25 projects without a ptl? | 23:16 |
| fungi | 10 | 23:16 |
| fungi | one of which is probably about to get confirmed | 23:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Soon to be 9 | 23:16 |
| mnaser | ok, 9 projects | 23:16 |
| fungi | that leaves: Barbican Cyborg Keystone Mistral Monasca Openstack_Chef Senlin Zaqar Zun | 23:16 |
| gmann | k | 23:16 |
| gmann | leaving mistral as they already communicated | 23:16 |
| dansmith | bah, we have too many projects anyway (kidding) | 23:16 |
| gmann | we have 8 | 23:16 |
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| mnaser | keystone :\ | 23:17 |
| fungi | some of those probably have willing ptls and just missed the announcement | 23:17 |
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| gmann | yeah like Cyborg i think | 23:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah keystone is.. alarming. | 23:17 |
| fungi | and yeah, at least one of them is known to be interested in switching to dpl model, just behind schedule | 23:17 |
| knikolla | i guess we'll switch keystone to distributed leadership too | 23:18 |
| mnaser | maybe lbragstad might be interested | 23:18 |
| mnaser | or ^ | 23:18 |
| gmann | we can call lbragstad back :) | 23:18 |
| * gmann even for TC :) | 23:18 | |
| dansmith | what does keystone do again? (kidding again) | 23:20 |
| gmann | mnaser: for charter change 2/3rd of 11 is 8 in round figure. if i am not calculating wrong | 23:20 |
| mnaser | gmann: currenet tc is 9 :) | 23:21 |
| fungi | where are you getting 11? | 23:21 |
| gmann | oh forgot :) | 23:21 |
| mnaser | its too late to do math in the day | 23:21 |
| fungi | 2/3 of 9 is easy ;) | 23:21 |
| gmann | previous one | 23:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Albertson proposed openstack/election master: Add Lance Albertson candidancy for Openstack Chef PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779628 | 23:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: nominate Adrian Turjak as PTL for Adjutant in X cycle https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/779627 | 23:47 |
| fungi | we're now at the end of the nominations period, just approving the last ptl nominee as soon as check tests clear | 23:48 |
| diablo_rojo | In summary, we have 8 projects missing leaders and are short one TC member | 23:52 |
| fungi | also no runoffs for ptl seats this time, right? | 23:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah, none. | 23:54 |
| diablo_rojo | So that means I guess we are ... good to run the close election script already? | 23:54 |
| fungi | yeah, no runoffs, i double-checked after i realized i wasn't sure | 23:54 |
| fungi | and hope it doesn't break by being short a tc candidate | 23:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Hahahahahaha | 23:54 |
| diablo_rojo | this is so weird. | 23:55 |
| diablo_rojo | ahh I gotta wait till ramereth's patch is fully merged. | 23:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Then I can run it and see how badly it explodes. | 23:55 |
| fungi | yep | 23:56 |
| spotz | I forgott to ttype git review this morning:( Oh well | 23:59 |
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