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| apevec | mnaser, hi, not sure if TC is the right address: would opendev be willing to apply for ROSI ? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/extending-no-cost-red-hat-enterprise-linux-open-source-organizations | 14:35 |
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| mnaser | apevec: that's really interesting, i am going to ninja-add-it to our meeting in 25 minutes | 14:36 |
| apevec | tbh I guess infra team might be annoyed, since it is still RHEL subs with RHEL EULA which e.g. prevents redistro of binary bits... | 14:37 |
| apevec | ah good timing, thanks :) | 14:37 |
| mnaser | apevec: yeah, i am sure there are legalities but i think the interested parties work close enough that hopefully we can find a workable outcome | 14:38 |
| apevec | mnaser, ah yes, it is actually covered at the end of blog "We realize this program doesn’t cover situations where open source projects are using Public CI infrastructure provided by third-parties. This and other programs are still being worked on. " | 14:39 |
| apevec | so might not be worth to bring it up just yet | 14:39 |
| mnaser | apevec: perhaps it might be good to reach out and explain how we do things here so the program could keep us in mind when it gets developed for a public ci | 14:40 |
| mnaser | i *suspect* this may be for something where there is a commercial interest in providing rhel ci (i.e. travis ci or something like that) | 14:40 |
| apevec | yeah, there is something called RHUI which is basically Red Hat CDN-proxy for cloud providers | 14:41 |
| apevec | so they can provide rhel repos w/o subscribing each machine | 14:41 |
| apevec | but it is only for red hat certified cloud providers which then report monthly # of RHEL instances launched etc. | 14:42 |
| apevec | then we do some billing based on that iiuc | 14:42 |
| mnaser | apevec: red hat certified cloud providers which dont include any openstack ones because red hat refuses to let you do this unless you're running rhel for your hosts | 14:43 |
| mnaser | i still have a hard time deciphering this one :-) | 14:43 |
| apevec | eh yeah... sorry about that, I'm not biz side | 14:43 |
| fungi | apevec: yeah, i saw that press release (or a similar one) weeks ago, the key there which you identified is that "other programs are still being worked on" which could potentially allow us to legally test on rhel | 14:43 |
| mnaser | but yes, that would be useful for opendev to run something like that so we don't have to have a sub id embedded in images that someone can go and reuse | 14:43 |
| apevec | ok, so let's hold on with bringing that topic up | 14:45 |
| mnaser | fair enough | 14:46 |
| fungi | if someone from red hat with the legal backing to do so states in writing that we can start to boot rhel-based images in arbitrary public cloud providers, then i personally don't have any problem working on doing so | 14:46 |
| fungi | we test on centos because we can't legally run rhel. it's that simple | 14:46 |
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| mnaser | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 15:00:13 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| mnaser | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| mnaser | o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | hello folks | 15:01 |
| gmann | hi evrardjp | 15:01 |
| mnaser | o/ | 15:02 |
| ricolin | evrardjp, hey! | 15:02 |
| mnaser | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on past action items (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:02 | |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo send out email to ML wrt k8s cross-community discussion | 15:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:03 |
| mnaser | oh i guess i can ctrl+v again :p | 15:03 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo send out email to ML wrt k8s cross-community discussion | 15:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I did. | 15:03 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I saw the note. :-) | 15:03 |
| mnaser | yay, cool. i haven't been great at keeping our with the ML lately, so that's good | 15:03 |
| mnaser | tc-members fill out https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/kubernetes-cross-community-topics with topics | 15:04 |
| mnaser | ah, there's not much listed there | 15:04 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo: i noticed that the bit.ly link listed there asks me to request access | 15:05 |
| mnaser | is that a not-public document? | 15:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I think you need to be in the google group :/ | 15:05 |
| diablo_rojo | k-dev | 15:05 |
| * mnaser shrugs | 15:06 | |
| diablo_rojo | Its just their agenda and meeting details | 15:06 |
| mnaser | how can someone join that group? | 15:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I can copy some of that over into the etherpad | 15:06 |
| mnaser | or is it an invite thing | 15:06 |
| diablo_rojo | mnaser, its not an invite thing | 15:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | uhhh let me find the link | 15:06 |
| fungi | keep in mind that "copying" information, even if public, may not be legal if they don't state a copyright license for it | 15:07 |
| gmann | I think that is usual k8s meeting things, join respective google group first to know agenda or so | 15:07 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, good point. I would definitely talk to them before I did that. | 15:07 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, exactly | 15:08 |
| mnaser | ok it would be nice to have some info on how to access it, cause i dont really have access on their agenda / what the discussion is around / or how to join | 15:08 |
| diablo_rojo | https://groups.google.com/a/kubernetes.io/g/steering | 15:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe there? | 15:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Their agenda is currently empty | 15:09 |
| diablo_rojo | But yeah, how to join will be important | 15:09 |
| mnaser | joined the group but still won't let me see it :X | 15:10 |
| * mnaser wants to consider adding "google-based ecosystem being a problem for openness" to the topics | 15:10 | |
| mnaser | lol | 15:10 |
| dansmith | hah | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | I will bring popcorn then | 15:11 |
| mnaser | if you manage to join that is | 15:11 |
| gmann | :) | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | :) | 15:11 |
| mnaser | ok well | 15:12 |
| mnaser | it would be really good to add more topics in there and diablo_rojo maybe you can help us out in how to see it / get join info | 15:12 |
| ricolin | diablo_rojo, just add two topic suggestion in etherpad | 15:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks ricolin1 | 15:13 |
| diablo_rojo | ! | 15:13 |
| mnaser | yeah i added a few too | 15:13 |
| ricolin | wondering if share resource or ask for official bless is something we cak discuss | 15:14 |
| mnaser | i have unlocked the secret!! | 15:14 |
| mnaser | https://groups.google.com/g/kubernetes-dev | 15:15 |
| mnaser | need to join that | 15:15 |
| diablo_rojo | There it is. | 15:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I was trying to find that. | 15:15 |
| mnaser | ok cool | 15:15 |
| mnaser | added to etherpad | 15:15 |
| mnaser | mnaser drop k8s steering commitee meeting from agenda < done | 15:15 |
| mnaser | gmann to follow up with monasca team for https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/771785 | 15:16 |
| mnaser | i think that is prettty much done / well progressed too | 15:16 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:16 |
| gmann | this is ready now #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/771785 | 15:16 |
| mnaser | perfect | 15:17 |
| gmann | all depends-on patches merged | 15:17 |
| mnaser | mnaser drop Mistral Maintenance topic < done | 15:17 |
| mnaser | #topic Audit SIG list and chairs (diablo_rojo) | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Audit SIG list and chairs (diablo_rojo) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:17 | |
| diablo_rojo | I sent a bunch of emails this week- some directly to chairs listed, some the ML. | 15:17 |
| diablo_rojo | generally making progress towards finishing this up by next week I think | 15:18 |
| mnaser | yes i also saw some feedback too from feilong | 15:18 |
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| mnaser | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-February/020663.html | 15:18 |
| mnaser | so it's moving along well, thanks diablo_rojo :> | 15:19 |
| mnaser | #topic Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith) | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:19 | |
| dansmith | yo | 15:20 |
| dansmith | so, | 15:20 |
| dansmith | nova has dropped an extra grenade job, which is a pretty heavy thing, which is cool | 15:20 |
| dansmith | tripleo seems to have dropped their duplicate upgrade jobs, which were pretty big | 15:20 |
| dansmith | I haven't circled back with neutron | 15:20 |
| dansmith | but the crunch before m3 has started, so it's really hard to "feel" much difference | 15:21 |
| gmann | yeah, we need to do grenade thing for other project also like neutron | 15:21 |
| dansmith | this last week has been crazy, so I haven't tried re-running my weigher to measure how heavy the jobs are after some of those drops | 15:21 |
| dansmith | we're also seeing a *lot* of cinder fails across all the projects | 15:21 |
| dansmith | the biggest thing we could do to improve for the crunch would be to fix some of those | 15:22 |
| dansmith | I made a couple notes and popped into the cinder channel looking for help last week, but got no response | 15:22 |
| dansmith | but if anyone here has cycles and cinder cred... :P | 15:22 |
| * jungleboyj looks around and whistles | 15:23 | |
| jungleboyj | Might be best to bring it as a topic to our weekly meeting next week. | 15:23 |
| dansmith | oh, hey yeah like jungleboyj :P | 15:23 |
| * jungleboyj is in a covid haze | 15:23 | |
| dansmith | well, I'm beyond overcommitted these days, so I feel like I probably can't do too much knocking of heads over there, but.. | 15:24 |
| mnaser | would there anyone who would be able to help out dansmith by reaching out at the cinder meeting | 15:24 |
| jungleboyj | Eric Harney and Sophia are good at helping with stuff like that if we point them at what needs to be done. | 15:24 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Sure, I could do that if you guys can get me some notes on what to look at. | 15:24 |
| dansmith | jungleboyj: ack, well, I'm sure they're rechecking as much as the rest of us, and hopefully they're looking at the failures when they do | 15:24 |
| dansmith | jungleboyj: https://termbin.com/4guht | 15:25 |
| dansmith | these are stale now, but those were the biggest recurring fails I saw a couple weeks ago | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | dansmith: Ok. Let me take that up to the team in the meeting next week. | 15:25 |
| dansmith | thanks | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | It is a good topic to just talk about whether we are watching failures anyway. | 15:26 |
| dansmith | yeah | 15:26 |
| mnaser | ok great, thanks dansmith and jungleboyj | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Welcome. | 15:28 |
| gmann | nd bug happening more frequently . | 15:28 |
| gmann | not sure if we have -r query for that | 15:28 |
| gmann | e-r | 15:28 |
| gmann | *2nd bug | 15:28 |
| mnaser | #topic Student Programs (diablo_rojo) | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Student Programs (diablo_rojo) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:29 | |
| mnaser | i think the gsoc deadline has passed, so only outreachy is currently open | 15:29 |
| diablo_rojo | correct | 15:30 |
| mnaser | is there anything we can do about this at this point or should we drop it from our agenda | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | That's all I had to mention lol | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | We can drop it | 15:30 |
| mnaser | cool | 15:30 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser drop student programs topic from agenda | 15:30 |
| mnaser | #topic Recommended path forward for OSarchiver (ttx) | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Recommended path forward for OSarchiver (ttx) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:30 | |
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| ttx | hi! | 15:31 |
| ttx | So we had a large scale SIG meeting yesterday but it was a video / discussion on regions vs. cells meeting rather than a SIG meeting | 15:32 |
| ttx | So we did not discuss something as mundane as OSarchiver | 15:32 |
| ttx | I'll bring it up at our next (IRC) meeting in two weeks though | 15:32 |
| ttx | so, please push back | 15:33 |
| mnaser | ttx: shall we drop it until you add it in there again? :) | 15:33 |
| ttx | I'd be fine with that | 15:33 |
| mnaser | ok cool | 15:34 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser drop osarchiver topic for now | 15:34 |
| mnaser | #topic open reviews | 15:34 |
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| mnaser | so zuul failed on a change but that gave time for more comments | 15:34 |
| mnaser | the cool-down language was not super well received by a few people | 15:34 |
| mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/770616 | 15:34 |
| mnaser | could we discuss how we feel like we can revise this and land it? | 15:35 |
| gmann | I think revising it with re-wording is much better way to avoid any confusion/misreading/misinterpretation | 15:36 |
| ricolin | +1 | 15:36 |
| belmoreira | it's a fair point that melwitt raises | 15:36 |
| * ricolin not that good at re-wording so just stand and watch | 15:37 | |
| mnaser | what would be the changes y'all suggest | 15:37 |
| gmann | I think s/cool-down/stabilization should be enough ? | 15:37 |
| dansmith | I really think we should go for "no goals this time" | 15:38 |
| dansmith | and not pick any adjectives :) | 15:38 |
| mnaser | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html | 15:39 |
| gmann | yeah much better as we are just telling about community goal only not project's priority for other features or so | 15:39 |
| mnaser | should we just add "No community goals for the Xena cycle" ? | 15:39 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:39 |
| dansmith | yes please :) | 15:39 |
| * mnaser searches for that code | 15:41 | |
| jungleboyj | I am not real picky. I was good with how it was, but whatever everyone feels best about. | 15:41 |
| gmann | and we can directly do this in 'selected' goal instead of going from 'proposed' and then 'selected' | 15:41 |
| mnaser | does anyone have any idea on how we can repush this now? | 15:43 |
| mnaser | there seems to be no conesus on using 'stabilization' or 'no goals' | 15:43 |
| gmann | we can just have draft vote here and then do the changes? or you want to remove the gerrit vote | 15:44 |
| dansmith | push "no goals" and see if everyone is okay with it? | 15:44 |
| jungleboyj | I thought it was just no goals. | 15:44 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:44 |
| belmoreira | if we go for "no goals" we need definitely to remove the "Goals for this cycle" | 15:45 |
| mnaser | dansmith: so when you say no goals, we pushed a proposed goal of no goals? i dont think i can easily just add a "no goals for this cycle" because of how things are done | 15:47 |
| mnaser | cause its a whole automatically generated toc | 15:47 |
| dansmith | yeah, I dunno about the mechanics, so if we need a goal of no goals, then whatever I guess | 15:47 |
| mnaser | https://opendev.org/openstack/governance/src/branch/master/goals/selected/index.rst | 15:47 |
| dansmith | let's not end up in informationweek because our TOC generation required something | 15:47 |
| gmann | yeah, may be just keeping until L16 | 15:47 |
| mnaser | alternatively | 15:47 |
| dansmith | we could also just not have Xena in the list right? | 15:47 |
| mnaser | we can edit the language here https://opendev.org/openstack/governance/src/branch/master/goals/index.rst#community-goals to say that some cycles don't always have goals for $reasons | 15:48 |
| mnaser | and then leave xena empty? | 15:48 |
| dansmith | sure, that sounds good | 15:48 |
| jungleboyj | That works for me. | 15:48 |
| jungleboyj | Who knew not having a goal would be so hard. | 15:48 |
| belmoreira | jungleboyj :) | 15:49 |
| mnaser | we're just so hard working | 15:49 |
| jungleboyj | Ha ha. | 15:50 |
| mnaser | i am quite deep into a lot of things these days. could someone push up a revision of my patch that drops the proposed goal and updates the language in goals/index.rst ? | 15:50 |
| gmann | and here also we can change- https://opendev.org/openstack/governance/src/branch/master/goals/index.rst#selecting-goals-for-a-cycle | 15:51 |
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| gmann | s/It can be one or more depends/It can be zero or more depends | 15:51 |
| gmann | I am away today after meeting , but tomorrow I can push if no one else do it today | 15:52 |
| mnaser | yeah ive got a really busy schedule today and this has stalled out a bit longer -- anyone free to make that small change? | 15:53 |
| dansmith | I (and the rest of redhat) is off tomorrow and I'm scrambling myself too | 15:55 |
| mnaser | belmoreira or jungleboyj do you think you might be able to help out with ^ | 15:55 |
| dansmith | since the current state is the same (xena not in the list) I think there's no major rush | 15:55 |
| gmann | yeah, we can do tomorrow also. | 15:56 |
| belmoreira | I can try to do it today | 15:57 |
| mnaser | belmoreira: awesome, thank you, feel free to ping tc-members after to look at it. i appreciate it | 15:57 |
| jungleboyj | belmoreira: ++ I will help with review then. | 15:57 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry, I am technically on sick leave the rest of the week. | 15:58 |
| mnaser | cool, any thing for the last few minutes? :) | 15:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Nope | 15:59 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from me. | 15:59 |
| ricolin | Nothing from me either:) | 15:59 |
| mnaser | cool thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| ricolin | thanks mnaser | 16:00 |
| mnaser | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Technical Committee office hours: Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 16:00:19 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-02-25-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-02-25-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-02-25-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| gmann | thanks. | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: monasca-log-api & monasca-ceilometer does not make releases https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/771785 | 16:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Belmiro Moreira proposed openstack/governance master: No community goals for a release cycle https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/777619 | 16:46 |
| belmoreira | have a look at: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/777619 | 16:47 |
| fungi | i like it. much less risk of being interpreted as "openstack is winding down" | 16:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/election master: Setup X Election https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/771077 | 22:12 |
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| diablo_rojo__ | mnaser, so it seems we are behind with regard to election things. In order to mostly catch back up we need to start nominations Tuesday and polling the following Tuesday. | 22:18 |
| diablo_rojo__ | which means campaigning wont have its own dedicated period | 22:20 |
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| mnaser | so election and campaigning being merged or nominations and campaigning being merged? | 22:21 |
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| mnaser | what does election-core think? | 22:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I had set the campaigning to be the same time as polling, but I think we could make it the same as the nominations | 22:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Right now 'election-core' is me, ianychoi and fungi. | 22:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Havent heard from either of them. It only dawned on me yesterday that we were late and today I finally had time to dig into it. | 22:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Historically though, we haven't always had the campaigning period. | 22:23 |
| diablo_rojo | So we could nix it all together and just have nominations and polling like we do with the PTL stuff | 22:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | I guess andymccr is also in the list for election core but he hasn't been around for a while | 22:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess this brings us to another point, that we need some new blood. | 22:27 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo: i wonder if this makes sense to have an adhoc last minute meeting about this.. | 22:36 |
| mnaser | what does being on election-core require? is there some technical knowledge needed? | 22:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Nope. | 22:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Everything is the in readme in the repo | 22:37 |
| diablo_rojo | its super easy | 22:37 |
| mnaser | seems like it still requires actually knowing to use tox and run scripts :p | 22:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Ehhh yeah I guess | 22:38 |
| mnaser | i can try and enlist help here and see if anyone is interested | 22:38 |
| diablo_rojo | but you can copy paste the commands into a terminal lol | 22:38 |
| diablo_rojo | If you wanna help, add your name to the index file and push a patch, fungi and I can merge it and then we can get the dates merged ASAP and the kickoff email sent out like today or tomorrow. | 22:41 |
| diablo_rojo | mnaser, or I can do it as a part of the setup for xena | 22:47 |
| diablo_rojo | and then you can +1 and then fungi can merge it | 22:47 |
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| fungi | yeah, i expected we were waiting on go-ahead from the tc-members on the proposed technical election schedule | 23:33 |
| fungi | also i should really not keep doing election officiating, with everything else on my plate. but i'm happy to help onboard new officials from the community and fix bugs in the tooling | 23:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah we really really really need some new blood aside from you and I, fungi. | 23:35 |
| fungi | also, we need to go ahead and communicate to the electorate that due to behavior changes in the new version of gerrit we're using, we need people who want to vote to make sure their preferred e-mail in gerrit is associated directly with their open infrastructure foundation membership. just having *one* address known by gerrit associated with their membership will no longer be sufficient | 23:35 |
| fungi | gerrit no longer allows anyone besides ~administrators to find out what additional e-mail addresses a user may have on record | 23:36 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, ah that is going to be oodles of fun. | 23:37 |
| dansmith | yeah was just going to say... | 23:37 |
| dansmith | not it. | 23:37 |
| diablo_rojo | dansmith, no? its a rollicking good time. | 23:38 |
| dansmith | it's all you :) | 23:46 |
| fungi | so rewarding! | 23:52 |
| * fungi waves paintbrush and bucket of whitewash invitingly | 23:53 | |
| diablo_rojo | LOL | 23:59 |
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