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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/governance master: monasca-log-api & monasca-ceilometer does not make releases https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/771785 | 10:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/governance master: js-openstack-lib does not make releases https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/771789 | 10:50 |
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| mnaser | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 15:00:24 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| mnaser | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| mnaser | o/ | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| mnaser | too fast? | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| mnaser | openstack is having a slow morning i guess | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| mnaser | well, we can get started | 15:02 |
| mnaser | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on past action items (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:02 | |
| mnaser | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-14-15.00.html | 15:02 |
| fungi | irc is not 100% synchronous, so if messages lag between the server to which you're connected and the server to which the bot is connected, you'll see a delay in its responding | 15:02 |
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| mnaser | fungi: so i guess i can add irc to 'asynchronous collaboration tools' :P | 15:02 |
| mnaser | ok, so we have | 15:02 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo complete retirement of karbor | 15:02 |
| mnaser | i know there was a few patches left | 15:03 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/767056 | 15:03 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/767057 | 15:04 |
| mnaser | looks like we had a mishap with the rebase :) i'll keep it on the list | 15:04 |
| mnaser | #action diablo_rojo complete retirement of karbor | 15:04 |
| mnaser | mnaser to remove proposed goal topic from agenda << gone | 15:04 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo reach out to SIGs/ML and start auditing states of SIGs << neither ricolin or diablo_rojo seem to be around right now, so i think we can follow up on this later | 15:05 |
| mnaser | #action diablo_rojo/ricolin reach out to SIGs/ML and start auditing states of SIGs | 15:05 |
| mnaser | mnaser remove annual report suggestions from agenda << that's done | 15:05 |
| mnaser | dansmith update osc change to include ci/docs commentary < thats in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/759904 | 15:05 |
| mnaser | thanks dansmith for revising that, and it looks like we're on the right track, tc-members, please review ^ | 15:06 |
| mnaser | mnaser add openstack/infra-core as discussion topic in opendev meeting << done, will discuss later | 15:06 |
| mnaser | gmann follow-up with zigo if debian uses l-c | 15:06 |
| dansmith | I just +1d, I was waiting until others had since I revised it latest | 15:06 |
| gmann | l-c thing we can discuss later, we have more response in ML | 15:07 |
| mnaser | ok cool, perfect | 15:07 |
| gmann | later in topic section | 15:07 |
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| mnaser | gmann update supported distros to drop opensuse < has a discussion topic too, so perhaps we can keep it for that? | 15:07 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/769884 | 15:07 |
| gmann | sure | 15:07 |
| mnaser | cool, tryingh to get through those so we can get to the discussions | 15:08 |
| mnaser | #topic Audit SIG list and chairs (diablo_rojo / ricolin) | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Audit SIG list and chairs (diablo_rojo / ricolin) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:08 | |
| mnaser | no updates that i've seen on this, unless i missed something on the ML, we can probably keep that for next time? | 15:08 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:09 |
| mnaser | #topic Add Resolution of TC stance on the OpenStackClient (diablo_rojo / dansmith) | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add Resolution of TC stance on the OpenStackClient (diablo_rojo / dansmith) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:09 | |
| mnaser | not much to do about this anymore at this point I think, just need to get tc members to review the patch and land it | 15:09 |
| mnaser | so i think we can remove this topic for the future perhaps and keep it under the open reviews? | 15:10 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:10 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser drop "Add Resolution of TC stance on the OpenStackClient" from agenda | 15:10 |
| mnaser | #topic Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith) | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:10 | |
| mnaser | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/jD6kAP9tHk7PZr2nhv8h/ | 15:11 |
| dansmith | So, | 15:11 |
| dansmith | I'm concerned about the gate lately | 15:11 |
| dansmith | last week, we had a 24+ hour turnaround literally all week, | 15:11 |
| dansmith | this week it's been 8+ hours | 15:11 |
| dansmith | for someone in the last timezone (i.e me), that means it is impossible to submit a job and get a result in the same working day | 15:11 |
| dansmith | that is super frustrating | 15:11 |
| gmann | triploe, neutron is more than 50% consumption | 15:11 |
| gmann | tripleo | 15:11 |
| dansmith | right, that's the takeaway there | 15:11 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 15:12 |
| mnaser | yeah, that is really rough | 15:12 |
| dansmith | neutron is going to remove some of their tripleo jobs, but it's going to take a while to land that, | 15:12 |
| dansmith | and even still, they have several 2+ hour jobs in their large list | 15:12 |
| dansmith | note that nova is 5% of the total.. NOVA | 15:12 |
| mnaser | dansmith: question, is this a lack of resources (compute power) or is this unreliable jobs (so causing large number of resets) | 15:12 |
| gmann | it definitely slow down the development | 15:12 |
| dansmith | I've already identified some fat we should cut from the nova list | 15:12 |
| mnaser | (spontaneously pinging clarkb / fungi if they have thoughts on all of this too) | 15:13 |
| dansmith | mnaser: it's always lack of resources, but in this case, it's waaaaay too many jobs that are multi-hour jobs | 15:13 |
| dansmith | mnaser: we could be in a lot better place if tripleo wasn't taking a quarter of the gate on super long multinode jobs, | 15:13 |
| gmann | I see more time in queue to get the node for run so lack of resources ? | 15:13 |
| dansmith | and definitely bad to drag those into neutron | 15:13 |
| dansmith | I've been talking to clarkb and fungi .. they're tired of me already :) | 15:13 |
| dansmith | I'm trying to point us (the TC) at maybe some people engineering to work on, | 15:14 |
| gmann | tempest-slow job also take much time 2 hrs or so which I have in list to optimize | 15:14 |
| dansmith | specifically trying to ask projects to cut their jobs down to more reasonable sizes, | 15:14 |
| dansmith | and push things into periodic | 15:14 |
| fungi | dansmith: oh i could never get tired of you ;) | 15:14 |
| * dansmith makes eyes at fungi | 15:14 | |
| fungi | thanks for trying to improve devstack/tempest performance! | 15:15 |
| mnaser | hmm | 15:15 |
| gmann | periodic and experimental is good idea so that they can be run on demand too | 15:15 |
| dansmith | I've also been working on optimizing devstack itself, and we could use some general job perf optimizations I think, which nobody ever wants to work on | 15:15 |
| dansmith | but we can't keep going like this | 15:15 |
| dansmith | a day turnaround is going to discourage people from testing things | 15:15 |
| mnaser | have we lost any nodepool providers lately that might have contributed to worsening this? | 15:15 |
| gmann | for devstack main challenge is to maintain the new framework/things if we change | 15:15 |
| dansmith | mnaser: I really don't think it's a recent abrupt loss of resources, I think it's jobs growth | 15:16 |
| fungi | mnaser: not particularly recently, it seems projects are just adding an ever increasing amount of jobs and not necessarily looking at which ones they can safely stop running | 15:16 |
| dansmith | that ^ | 15:16 |
| dansmith | and hopefully that's where the TC can put some pressure on people | 15:16 |
| mnaser | i _hate_ to say it but does uh, a quota be something we might look into adding? | 15:16 |
| fungi | though also there has been a significant post-holiday rush leading into milestone 2 | 15:16 |
| dansmith | because the health of these systems impacts the health of the contributor community | 15:17 |
| gmann | true, thats good point | 15:17 |
| mnaser | it also changes our 'gate everything' mentality | 15:17 |
| mnaser | where we just want to slip things across because its such a pita to land things | 15:17 |
| mnaser | because 5 revisions of a patch = 5 business days | 15:18 |
| dansmith | at least | 15:18 |
| fungi | i was surprised to find out that neutron had started running (multi-stage, multi-node) tripleo jobs in check and gate | 15:18 |
| dansmith | I literally submitted something the other day, | 15:18 |
| dansmith | and waited until the NEXT DAY to realize I had forgotten to git-add a file | 15:18 |
| dansmith | that sucked | 15:18 |
| fungi | three-hour multi-node jobs and other jobs which pause waiting on those to finish consume rather a lot of our available quota | 15:18 |
| dansmith | fungi: right, that's the thing I'm hoping we can put some pressure on | 15:18 |
| slaweq | dansmith: patch for that is here: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/771486 and just needs approval | 15:18 |
| slaweq | and we already merged https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/770832 | 15:19 |
| gmann | neutron has optimized it a lot in past but with tripelo jobs it is back to more worst | 15:19 |
| dansmith | slaweq: yes, and thank you VERY much for proposing it :) | 15:19 |
| slaweq | yw :) | 15:19 |
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| dansmith | anyway, I want to bring it up | 15:19 |
| mnaser | i think cross gating is a really neat thing, but we might not have the necessary r sources to drive it | 15:19 |
| gmann | but another point we need to consider is 'does this narrow down our upstream testing quality' ? | 15:20 |
| dansmith | and maybe we can periodically revisit this and/or figure out some guidelines, and some requests to the projects | 15:20 |
| fungi | cross-gating could still be done with a less heavy-weight approach, i expect | 15:20 |
| dansmith | I dunno what we can ask of tripleo, but even if neutron went to 5% like nova, I think tripleo would probably swell to more than its current 25% | 15:20 |
| dansmith | and I dunno what to do about that | 15:20 |
| gmann | does 3rd party CI/CD causing more load? I have not checked yet | 15:20 |
| mnaser | 3rd party ci doesn't really affect it that much | 15:21 |
| gmann | ok | 15:21 |
| fungi | the script clarkb's been using to provide node-hour breakdowns by project and job can help highlight opportunities to normalize utilization | 15:21 |
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| gmann | dansmith: +1, we need to get tripleo with 10% somehow | 15:21 |
| dansmith | gmann: ++ | 15:22 |
| mnaser | maybe we can find a way to work with the tripleo team to find a way to off-load many of their jobs | 15:22 |
| fungi | and yeah, just to put it in perspective, all the non-openstack projects (everything in x/, but also zuul, opendev, airship, starlingx, et cetera) account for <5% of our available quota utilization at peak | 15:22 |
| dansmith | gmann: I'm tempted to say that tripleo is special enough in how heavy it is that they really need to have their own resources, but I know that's a hard line to take | 15:22 |
| mnaser | i know all of these jobs and that doesnt include a bunch that run inside the rdo cloud | 15:22 |
| jungleboyj | The 3rd party shouldn't be making a big difference. | 15:22 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:22 |
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| mnaser | What about volume of developer changes to CI usage | 15:23 |
| gmann | fungi: mnaser not sure if we can add cap for node utilization per project even some node are free | 15:23 |
| dansmith | fungi: has a script for the review load, but it crashed for me | 15:23 |
| dansmith | and I've been busy with other stuff, | 15:24 |
| dansmith | but that would be a good metric, mnaser | 15:24 |
| gmann | so that there is always nodepool for other patches whenever they are in gate | 15:24 |
| gmann | so say if nova want more jobs and load then it effect nova gate run time only | 15:24 |
| mnaser | Can we look at that metric before we start asking projects to lower their CI usage | 15:24 |
| gmann | and then project will automatically narrow down their jobs | 15:25 |
| fungi | yeah, for opendev as a whole we have an "engagement" reporting tool i've been working on which includes a breakdown of review activity by git namespace, it also shards the gerrit queries by repository so could probably be extended/modified to do stats based on deliverable aggregation to teams from the governance projects data | 15:25 |
| dansmith | gmann: well, that means work for zuul people, and while technical solutions are nice, we can chase the people ones first I think | 15:25 |
| dansmith | fungi: do you have a paste of that? I couldn't get it to run | 15:25 |
| dansmith | mnaser: not all projects are going to be the same review-to-cpu-cycles ratio of course | 15:26 |
| dansmith | mnaser: but if it's like 10x for one project over another similar one that'd be useful | 15:26 |
| fungi | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/801829 preliminary OpenDev 2020 Engagement Report | 15:26 |
| mnaser | dansmith: right yes, so we can approach a specific team and point out these 'fair-use' ratios | 15:26 |
| mnaser | ok so maybe lets come up with some actionable things we can try doing and following up on | 15:27 |
| dansmith | fungi: ah okay that's not quite granular enough for projects yet | 15:27 |
| dansmith | well, one is the neutron paring down, which is in progress | 15:27 |
| fungi | right, that's what i was saying, it would need modifying to report by repo, but the querying is already sharded by repo to stabilize the pagination from the rest api | 15:27 |
| mnaser | i think one action is maybe first approach teams with high usage (say tripleo) and ask what can be done about it? | 15:28 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:28 |
| dansmith | yeah | 15:28 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/729293 OpenDev Engagament Reporting Tool | 15:28 |
| fungi | is where i've been working on the script itself | 15:28 |
| dansmith | fungi: ah, gotcha | 15:28 |
| fungi | (that's what produced that 2020 report) | 15:29 |
| mnaser | can anyone reach out to perhaps the PTL of these high use projects with a tc hat on and ask what we can do to improve the situation? | 15:29 |
| mnaser | i'm also happy to volunteer too | 15:29 |
| fungi | pretty sure tripleo and neutron are already aware as they've been in prior discussions with opendev/tact sig representatives about disproportionate resource consumption | 15:29 |
| dansmith | I don't have a relationship with any of the tripleo people, but I have already been pushing on neutron | 15:29 |
| gmann | may be TC liaison for tripleo ? | 15:30 |
| mnaser | fungi: i think we've historically had those discussions for months and years but i think we've reached a point where the discussion needs to transition to "what can you do about this?" | 15:30 |
| mnaser | gmann: i think i don't mind picking it up and reaching out to them and seeing what we can do | 15:30 |
| gmann | sure | 15:30 |
| fungi | well, to be fair, tripleo has been working on slimming it down. there was a point where they were consistently >50% of our overall consumption, then it was 40%, now it's down around 30% | 15:31 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser reach out to tripleo + other high usage job teams re: usage | 15:31 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:31 |
| dansmith | I forgot about the liaisons.. who is the tripleo one? | 15:31 |
| mnaser | fungi: ah yes that's good too | 15:31 |
| dansmith | fungi: ack, maybe neutron's adoption of that has regressed us then | 15:31 |
| mnaser | that'll be on the project teams page | 15:31 |
| dansmith | perhaps we can wait and see how things are once the neutron patch to drop those goes | 15:31 |
| mnaser | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/tripleo.html | 15:31 |
| gmann | dansmith: it was me and ricolin :) | 15:31 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 15:32 |
| dansmith | aight | 15:32 |
| mnaser | cool, i say we should move on the next topics to make sure we can hit all topics | 15:32 |
| mnaser | and we can follow up on this next week | 15:32 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:32 |
| mnaser | thanks for bringing it up dansmith :> | 15:32 |
| fungi | tripleo has been working on ways to avoid redundancy between their jobs, run fewer jobs, make their frameworks more efficient, et cetera and it's had an impact, but they're still by far the highest resource consumer when measured on a per-team basis | 15:32 |
| dansmith | yeah sorry, but thanks for humoring me :) | 15:32 |
| gmann | +1, thanks dansmith | 15:32 |
| mnaser | #topic Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:33 | |
| gmann | we have manila application for API tag | 15:33 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/770859 | 15:33 |
| gmann | need more review | 15:33 |
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| gmann | we can do in gerrit, nothing much to discuss here unless any question | 15:33 |
| ricolin | gmann, one question | 15:34 |
| gmann | also I am thinking to remove this from agenda as such and add when there is progress or things to discuss ? | 15:34 |
| gmann | ricolin: sure | 15:34 |
| ricolin | if a project didnot impl micro version, is that mean it should not apply for that tag? | 15:34 |
| ricolin | as the docs looks like so | 15:35 |
| gmann | ricolin: microversion is not mandatory, if project does any versioing for API to discover the changes/features then it satisfy the rquiremnet | 15:35 |
| gmann | ricolin: we changed that doc to clarify that but let me check | 15:35 |
| ricolin | it does tell about that | 15:35 |
| gmann | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_supports-api-interoperability.html | 15:35 |
| gmann | point 2, say aor a discoverablity mechanism | 15:36 |
| gmann | i think i clarified it in ML also | 15:36 |
| gmann | but do we need to add more clarification in doc ? | 15:36 |
| ricolin | okay make sense to me | 15:36 |
| ricolin | gmann, I think current docs is fine | 15:36 |
| gmann | ok, ricolin feel free to propose some change id doc is not so clear that can help other projects too | 15:37 |
| gmann | ok | 15:37 |
| gmann | id/if | 15:37 |
| ricolin | sure:) | 15:37 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:37 |
| gmann | mnaser: reposting if you missed it. 'also I am thinking to remove this from agenda as such and add when there is progress or things to discuss ?' | 15:37 |
| mnaser | gmann: yeah, that's fair with me too | 15:38 |
| mnaser | doesn't seem to need that much so we can add it ad-hoc | 15:38 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:38 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser drop API tags topic from weekly agenda | 15:38 |
| mnaser | for the rest, we just continue to follow up on reviews | 15:39 |
| mnaser | #topic infra-core updates (mnaser) | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "infra-core updates (mnaser) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:39 | |
| mnaser | i brought up the topic on tuesday's opendev meeting which made for some interesting discussion | 15:39 |
| mnaser | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2021/infra.2021-01-19-19.01.html | 15:40 |
| mnaser | see "Discuss infra-core (on behalf of OpenStack)" | 15:40 |
| mnaser | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2021/infra.2021-01-19-19.01.log.html#l-19 | 15:40 |
| mnaser | the summary and actionable thing at the end of the discussion was that fungi was going to draft up an email to reach out to the community if anyone is looking to volunteer, and perhaps we can take an opportunity to improve the processes and tools to simplify the work of any reviewers | 15:41 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm hoping to get a tact sig request for help e-mail out to openstack-discuss by the weekend | 15:41 |
| mnaser | i don't think there's anything actionable from a tc's pov at the moment, so i'm afraid maybe we can put the topic aside and if we don't gather any attention for volunteers we can bring that up? | 15:41 |
| gmann | I think doc are really in good shape but yeah we can simplify if needed | 15:41 |
| fungi | also big thanks to mnaser and gmann for pitching in there so far | 15:42 |
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| fungi | the tl;dr though is that we need people invested in openstack to review configuration chages on behalf of openstack. if your config changes aren't getting reviewed fast enough for your liking, that's on you (at least in part) | 15:42 |
| mnaser | seems fair. i'll drop this topic for now and we can bring it up if it's an issue | 15:43 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:43 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:43 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser remove infra-core discussion from agenda | 15:43 |
| mnaser | #topic Dropping lower-constraints testing from all projects (gmann) | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dropping lower-constraints testing from all projects (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:43 | |
| gmann | we have responses in ML and few suggestion also | 15:44 |
| gmann | and its going on | 15:44 |
| fungi | yeah, discussion has been lively | 15:44 |
| mnaser | that's kinda good i guess :) | 15:44 |
| mnaser | do we have anything to update/discuss on that or shall we leave the discussion to continue and go back to follow up on it next week? | 15:45 |
| gmann | so should we continue discussion for some more and then finalize anything in TC or now? | 15:45 |
| ricolin | FYI I will start the SIG update thing these two days | 15:45 |
| mnaser | cool ricolin. i think i like leaving the discussion run while it's active and we can follow up on it again next week if we seem to be getting to a consensus next week | 15:46 |
| fungi | it seems like a popular compromise might be to limit lower-constraints.txt files to just what's listed in requirements.txt for a project in master, and drop the lower bounds checking as soon as stable is branched (i really don't see it being a viable approach in stable branches) | 15:46 |
| gmann | current suggestion from stephen and what os-win and networking-hyperv tried is 1. 'remove the indirect deps form l-c file' which can ease the maintenance 2. remove the job form stable branches | 15:46 |
| jungleboyj | The discussion has been good. Let's see where it goes. | 15:46 |
| gmann | yeah what fungi wrote | 15:47 |
| gmann | fungi: for stable branch, we should remove it. | 15:47 |
| mnaser | i think for today and for time purposes, maybe we should let the conversation keep going and see where we are next week | 15:48 |
| fungi | but not just existing stable branches, future stable branches are going to hit the same problems as they age | 15:48 |
| mnaser | so we can have a solid reliable recommendation | 15:48 |
| gmann | make sense, | 15:48 |
| fungi | yeah, i agree the discussion hasn't played out yet | 15:48 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense. | 15:48 |
| mnaser | okey cool | 15:48 |
| mnaser | #topic Decide on OpenSUSE in testing runtime (gmann) | 15:48 |
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| gmann | really do not want us to interrupt the ongoing discussion and conclude in half way | 15:48 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/769884 | 15:49 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/770855 | 15:49 |
| gmann | yeah patches are up for this, need more review | 15:49 |
| mnaser | tc-members: ^ lets get reviews on the governance change so we can let the qa team do their cleanups | 15:49 |
| mnaser | its a trival review | 15:49 |
| gmann | and I think nothing else needed on this so we can remove from agenda too ? | 15:50 |
| mnaser | yeah i think its just mostly a review | 15:50 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:50 |
| * dansmith hath blessed it with his +1 | 15:50 | |
| mnaser | #action mnaser remove "Decide on OpenSUSE in testing runtime (gmann)" from agenda | 15:50 |
| mnaser | #topic Define 2021 upstream investment opportunities | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Define 2021 upstream investment opportunities (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:50 | |
| dansmith | I'm starting a hedge fund, looking for investors | 15:50 |
| gmann | we have not got any help on this yet for many years but in case we want to continue it for 2021. | 15:51 |
| mnaser | dansmith: waited all meeting long to drop this | 15:51 |
| dansmith | hah | 15:51 |
| gmann | i have pushed to continue the 2020 one which are goal, qa, rbac | 15:51 |
| mnaser | i'm ok with just copying them over and merging them, but perhaps there will be a time to evaluate if there's just any point in doing all of this | 15:51 |
| mnaser | year after year we've put in effort into writing all this stuff up but it kinda sadly just ends up sitting | 15:52 |
| mnaser | and when these things do get help or traction, it's probably rarely been someone who read this document and decided to put resources on it | 15:52 |
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| gmann | yeah, at some point we have to stop this if it does not help | 15:52 |
| gmann | but not fair to drop due to COVID situation where we should not expect more unpaid volunteer. if company invest then good | 15:53 |
| fungi | prior expectation was that we would direct board members to that list, pick a different one to highlight in each foundation monthly newsletter, et cetera | 15:54 |
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| fungi | i get that there's not a lot of attention on it, but i suspect we've been forgetting to bring anyone's attention to it as well | 15:54 |
| mnaser | #link Define 2021 upstream investment opportunities | 15:54 |
| gmann | yeah but I do not think board has been any help till now | 15:54 |
| mnaser | #undo | 15:54 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link Define | 15:54 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/771707 | 15:54 |
| mnaser | gmann: ok great, thank you for bringing this up, i think we can drop this as it's just an open review now? | 15:55 |
| gmann | yup | 15:55 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser drop "Define 2021 upstream investment opportunities" from agenda | 15:56 |
| mnaser | #topic open discussion / open reviews | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion / open reviews (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:56 | |
| mnaser | i'll do a run over the open things soon, this past week has been pretty hectic with a personal move so | 15:56 |
| dansmith | are we done? | 15:59 |
| gmann | seems so, we can end | 15:59 |
| gmann | mnaser: ? | 16:00 |
| dansmith | mnaser: I bill overtime by the minute | 16:00 |
| gmann | :) | 16:01 |
| mnaser | Sorry, had to step out for a sec. Let me end it before I go in deep debt | 16:01 |
| mnaser | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 16:01:26 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-21-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-21-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-21-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| mnaser | Thank you everyone. | 16:01 |
| gmann | thanks | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: spotz I guess I may not making it to the video planning session today. Going to have to take Logan for anti-body testing. | 18:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, uh oh! Hope everything is alright. No worries about the meeting. | 18:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | tc-members: If you have ideas for the monthly newsletter, please add them ASAP(by Tuesday at the latest)! The Newsletter goes out a week from today: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news | 18:57 |
| TheJulia | not presently on the TC so hesitant to add this, but maybe something retrospectivy wise to try and identify positives and opportunities in the project removals | 19:00 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: may be we can keep it one of the meeting agenda. it is bi weekly publish right? | 19:01 |
| TheJulia | gmann: says monthly on the etherpad | 19:02 |
| fungi | yeah, foundation newsletter is ~monthly but sometimes goes longer between issues | 19:02 |
| gmann | ah yeah, so we can discuss 1 week prior to publication | 19:02 |
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| fungi | it used to be more frequent but we worked out that was a little too often | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | TheJulia, your opinions are always welcome! | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | We didn't do one in December because holidays, but we are back on ~monthly now | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, ^ | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | So yeah it can be in the agenda. I should have added it today, but I didn't make the meeting. | 19:05 |
| gmann | may be every 2nd meeting of month can be good time. | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that works. Now we just have to remember lol | 19:07 |
| * TheJulia whispers "standing agendas..." | 19:07 | |
| diablo_rojo | Psssshhhh making it all easy and stuff. | 19:08 |
| TheJulia | lol | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | My brain buffer is constantly full though, so yeah, standing agenda is a good idea. | 19:08 |
| gmann | added comment in etherpad. nothing else i can think of for this month | 19:09 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 19:11 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Thanks. Kids already had Covid but we had another exposure over the weekend. Getting the antibody levels checked for peace of mind. | 19:12 |
| spotz | jungleboyj: Oh no!!!!! | 19:17 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. One weekend of hockey and we are back in quarantine. | 19:17 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: ah, take care. | 19:18 |
| spotz | See at least dog and pony stuff have built in social distancing | 19:18 |
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| jungleboyj | spotz: :-) Yeah. We all had masks on, so I am sure we will be fine but need to be careful ... | 19:43 |
| jungleboyj | This is all getting old though. | 19:43 |
| spotz | Yeah:( I missed seeing everyone this year | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm surprised MN even allows that stuff atm with how full your ICUs are. | 19:45 |
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| spotz | diablo_rojo: wake up;) | 20:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | spotz, I am awake, the calendar says we don't meet for another hour and a half lol. | 20:26 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: You said 2 my time:) | 20:27 |
| fungi | maybe she timezone mathed backwards | 20:28 |
| spotz | maybe but 2 I could do, 4 I can't do a whole hour | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, oh, maybe I did do that wrong- but I think you accepted the calendar invite lol | 20:35 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: Ha I just grabbed the link out of it and put it in the work calendar to block off the time | 20:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Hahahaha | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Calendars are hard. | 20:46 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I know. The schools and sports people pushed really hard for it. Our numbers have improved a lot. | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | Go figure. This will be my 4th time being exposed I think. | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | That I know of. | 20:47 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo jungleboyj - Would meeting at like 4 PST 6 CST work instead of meeting in 45? | 21:13 |
| jungleboyj | I could attend for part of it. | 21:15 |
| spotz | Well while we decide I'm starting dinner | 21:25 |
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