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| evrardjp | interesting | 06:44 |
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| yoctozepto | or maybe the issue is oslo has a vast selection of deliverables; e.g. I could probably watch over the caching and coordination but not the rest | 07:23 |
| yoctozepto | so it's like a need for dpl but the other way around ;d | 07:23 |
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| evrardjp | distributed leadership didn't mean that you couldn't split the work inside the team to multiple individuals (for example here based on deliverables) :) | 09:21 |
| evrardjp | but yeah I agree oslo is a very important and already quite distributed case : ) | 09:21 |
| yoctozepto | good point | 09:30 |
| ttx | just moved charms and cloudkitty to the "has late candidates" section of https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-leaderless | 09:41 |
| ttx | and octavia based on what rm_work said | 09:44 |
| evrardjp | thanks ttx | 10:16 |
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| njohnston | thanks ttx | 11:27 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 13:01 |
| jungleboyj | I will be a little late joining the TC meeting. Have to drive the kids to school. | 13:02 |
| rm_work | We've found that we can delegate work fairly well, but having a single official PTL just as a point of contact and a final arbiter is good | 13:03 |
| rm_work | Otherwise in practice there's really nothing special about the DPTL modrl | 13:04 |
| rm_work | *model | 13:04 |
| rm_work | Probably most PTLs already do this | 13:04 |
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| jungleboyj | rm_work: ++ | 13:18 |
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| gmann | o/ | 13:30 |
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| mnaser | t-1m :> | 13:59 |
| mnaser | #startmeeting tc | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 14:00:01 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 14:00 |
| mnaser | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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| mnaser | o/ | 14:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:00 |
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| mnaser | hmm | 14:01 |
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| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mnaser | so we need at least 6, we have 4 (i assume belmoreira joining means they've just come around) :) | 14:03 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 14:03 |
| mnaser | hrm | 14:04 |
| mnaser | i guess we can resort to manually pinging people | 14:04 |
| mnaser | as we don't have quorum | 14:05 |
| mnaser | jay is going to be late as they mentioned | 14:05 |
| mnaser | mugsie / evrardjp / cloudnull / njohnston / ricolin / knikolla -- are you around? | 14:05 |
| knikolla | o/ | 14:06 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 14:06 |
| mugsie | omw | 14:06 |
| ttx | nothign like the old fashioned ping | 14:06 |
| gmann | :) | 14:06 |
| fungi | once it dawned on me to add the startmeeting pattern for meetings i attend regularly as irc client highlights, that has made a world of difference for me | 14:06 |
| mnaser | ok, so in that case that puts us a 6 with 1 incoming | 14:06 |
| mnaser | thats ok with me to get moving | 14:06 |
| knikolla | ooo, cool idea | 14:06 |
| mnaser | #topic Follow up on past action items | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on past action items (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:07 | |
| mnaser | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-09-03-14.01.html | 14:07 |
| mnaser | tc-members to follow up and review "Resolution to define distributed leadership for projects" | 14:07 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 14:07 |
| mnaser | this is marked as complete, we'e already merged everything | 14:07 |
| mnaser | and seems like some projects are adopting it | 14:08 |
| mnaser | next up, mnaser schedule session with sig-arch and k8s steering committee | 14:08 |
| mnaser | i was discussing with diablo_rojo and they mentioned thy would be able to schedule this | 14:09 |
| mnaser | as they seem to be somewhat involved on the k8s side of things | 14:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Yep. As soon as we know when we want to do it. I am happy to facilitate. | 14:10 |
| evrardjp | fungi: yeah, I remember Colleen giving me that tip, and I said "Why didn't I think of it before!" It's just a good pattern :) | 14:10 |
| mnaser | ok perhaps we should hold this off until we have a new roster | 14:10 |
| mnaser | i'll keep it as an action item to carry over next meeting | 14:11 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:11 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:11 |
| mnaser | #action diablo_rojo schedule session with sig-arch and k8s steering committee | 14:11 |
| mnaser | just in time, njohnston. we had "njohnston to find someone to work with on getting goals groomed/proposed for W cycle" | 14:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed that we should wait till the new TC is seated. | 14:12 |
| njohnston | mugsie contacted me and we worked tgether to get started on the process; he has been moving forward with some ML threads | 14:12 |
| gmann | this one #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017459.html | 14:13 |
| mnaser | yeah i noticed that | 14:13 |
| njohnston | Since I am rotating off the TC he has graciously agreed to carry the torch moving forward | 14:13 |
| mnaser | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017459.html | 14:13 |
| mnaser | ok cool, so i think we're getting a little tight on time given this cycle is ending and W is starting quite soon | 14:13 |
| mugsie | I was hoping for more ideas form the thread | 14:14 |
| mugsie | there is one item in the thread that may be good to dicuss on the thread - one goal for the cycle | 14:14 |
| mnaser | i think as alway, we don't have a limit / minimum in the number of goals | 14:15 |
| mnaser | so if one makes sense i will +1 it | 14:15 |
| gmann | +1, two goals are somehow difficult to finish in a cycle. | 14:15 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:15 |
| mnaser | we have a topic to discuss this in a bit | 14:16 |
| mnaser | so i'll leave the action item here and we can discuss it later as a topic | 14:16 |
| mugsie | +1 | 14:16 |
| mnaser | #action mugsie Drive Wallaby cycle community goals | 14:16 |
| mnaser | (not very actionable but i think enough to keep it on our radar) | 14:16 |
| mnaser | next up is: "belmoreira/knikolla figure out logistics of a document with gaps within osc" | 14:16 |
| knikolla | no update on my part from this. got caught up in other work. however i will reach out to belmoreira after the meeting to sync up. | 14:17 |
| belmoreira | I started a google sheet to document the feature gap | 14:17 |
| gmann | btw this is compute gap etherpad #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/compute-api-microversion-gap-in-osc | 14:17 |
| belmoreira | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C5f0BQcfD8czzhKJmWQ-nnDq_6_D9W2xsWsEh-zHIAo/edit?usp=sharing | 14:17 |
| gmann | compute microversion gap | 14:18 |
| belmoreira | nice gmann. Thanks | 14:18 |
| mnaser | fwiw, i am working with a local college for interns who might be able to do some of the osc work (or that's the goal at least) | 14:18 |
| mnaser | i will update on my end when i have more info but this will likely be jan-apr period | 14:19 |
| njohnston | nice! | 14:19 |
| knikolla | cool | 14:19 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:20 |
| mnaser | it is 3rd year students from a tech program who need to complete an internship as part of their program | 14:20 |
| mnaser | (that was part of my education oddly enough so that works nicely :]) | 14:20 |
| belmoreira | mnaser nice | 14:20 |
| mnaser | ok and finally | 14:20 |
| belmoreira | also, I'm also supervising a fellow and he already started contributing with few patches | 14:20 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo help schedule forum session for OSC gaps | 14:20 |
| mnaser | belmoreira: yay, nice. | 14:20 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: nice! | 14:21 |
| evrardjp | belmoreira: nice too! | 14:21 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:21 |
| evrardjp | are you syncing with mnaser on scope and method? | 14:21 |
| evrardjp | it would be bad that two interns are working on the same things in parallel without communication :) | 14:22 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: that is still very early right now, we just started talking a few days ago with the college, but i will keep updating | 14:22 |
| evrardjp | (I doubt it, but just in case) | 14:22 |
| mnaser | but the idea is to get them fully engrained in our OSS process | 14:22 |
| diablo_rojo | ..like you need help scheduling something? | 14:22 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: very nice, it's very important, thank you tremendously for doing htat! | 14:23 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo: i think at the time we wanted to know if we could reserve time in the forum for a session on that | 14:23 |
| mnaser | i remember my bad joke that i knew someone who was an insider :p | 14:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Ohh okay. | 14:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we could still sneak something in, but you would probably need to talk to Jimmy to get that done. | 14:25 |
| diablo_rojo | mnaser, what school are they from? | 14:25 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo: john abbott college | 14:25 |
| diablo_rojo | I wanna add them to the list of other universities we do similar with. | 14:25 |
| diablo_rojo | THanks! | 14:25 |
| mnaser | they are technically interning for "vexxhost" but i am putting them on upstream only | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Did anything ever come about with the intern program Kim from City Cloud was trying to do? | 14:25 |
| mnaser | (i.e. i have to do a whole bunch of stuff around evaluating them and all so there's some overhead here but yeah) | 14:25 |
| gmann | Forum sessions schedule is up already - https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule/global-search?t=forum | 14:26 |
| mnaser | i'll ping jimmy today and see if they can put something in | 14:26 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:26 |
| mnaser | does anyone want to write up a very very small short summary to add it on the list? | 14:27 |
| mnaser | ok, jimmy says we can do it :) i just need a title, abstract and moderator | 14:28 |
| * jungleboyj is catching up. | 14:28 | |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, last I recall he had horizon things for them to work on. | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | Great | 14:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I have a todo to revive that email thread lol | 14:29 |
| mnaser | belmoreira / knikolla: are you able to help with the above for the forum? ^ | 14:30 |
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| mnaser | can *anyone* help with this to get a forum session going? | 14:31 |
| belmoreira | yes, sure | 14:32 |
| mnaser | awesome, thank you belmoreira -- lets try to get that asap, i'll setup an email thread with you + jimmy so we can get it on the schedule | 14:32 |
| mnaser | #action belmoreira draft up title, abstract and moderator for OSC gaps session | 14:32 |
| mnaser | ok next up | 14:33 |
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| mnaser | #topic OpenStack User-facing APIs and CLIs (belmoreira) | 14:34 |
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| mnaser | belmoreira: all yours | 14:34 |
| belmoreira | we more or less discussed this... | 14:35 |
| belmoreira | I started the doc that I previously shared, and having some hope that the forum session can keep things moving | 14:36 |
| mnaser | ok that's good, i think the forum session will be help | 14:36 |
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| gmann | it will be good to carry that discussion in PTG too? | 14:37 |
| mnaser | i would assume that maybe would be discussed in the sdk sessions | 14:37 |
| gmann | yeah that is more relevant | 14:38 |
| belmoreira | yes | 14:38 |
| jungleboyj | I think discussion at the PTG would be good. | 14:38 |
| mnaser | i guess we'll have more info over there about it more indepth | 14:38 |
| mnaser | some teams have been merging things that stop osc usage | 14:39 |
| * evrardjp facepalms | 14:40 | |
| mnaser | so we should probably add to our ptg session a discussion around a tc policy with that | 14:40 |
| mugsie | yeah | 14:40 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:40 |
| evrardjp | I thought there kinda was one already | 14:40 |
| mnaser | we can push that over to that topic | 14:41 |
| mnaser | but as we are getting short on time | 14:41 |
| mnaser | #topic W cycle goal selection start | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "W cycle goal selection start (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:41 | |
| evrardjp | (https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/principles.html) | 14:41 |
| mugsie | so - there is a single goal that hasn't had major pushback | 14:41 |
| mugsie | Privsep | 14:41 |
| mugsie | which, personally I think is a lot more work than people think (to do properly) | 14:42 |
| gmann | +1 on privsep this is there since last cycle. | 14:42 |
| gmann | and my vote is to go with only one goal in W. | 14:42 |
| mugsie | if we do privsep I would ask to have it on its own | 14:42 |
| fungi | needs people converting rules and, more importantly, tightening them up | 14:42 |
| evrardjp | I think privsep community goal needs to be very clear | 14:42 |
| jungleboyj | +1 on privsep | 14:42 |
| mugsie | fungi: yeah - not just copy/pasting from rootwrap, or havikng a massive open ruleset | 14:43 |
| evrardjp | (to make sure things _are done properly_) | 14:43 |
| fungi | some of the existing converted privsep rules have holes big enough to drive a truck through | 14:43 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: exactly | 14:43 |
| mugsie | personally, i have 0 experience with privsep | 14:43 |
| ricolin_ | +1 on privsep | 14:43 |
| evrardjp | I think it's good to make this the only goal, and it would be best if the champion has deep knowledge in how we should do this, so that's gonna be a tough role | 14:44 |
| mugsie | for the people that have done migrations, do you have a good idea how to write it up / do pre work to help teams? | 14:44 |
| gmann | ralonsoh volunteer on that in last cycle so we also need to re-check with him | 14:44 |
| mnaser | i remember we had a few volunteers last time | 14:44 |
| mugsie | I am going to ping ralonsoh to see if he can still doit | 14:44 |
| mnaser | #action mugsie reach out to ralonsoh wrt helping with privsep | 14:45 |
| evrardjp | thanks mugsie | 14:45 |
| mnaser | it might be hard without someone who is deeply involved in it | 14:45 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: yeah | 14:45 |
| mugsie | unless there is any other suggestions, I am going to ping ralonsoh, and if they are on board, upodate the ML thread | 14:45 |
| gmann | thanks mugsie for driving it. | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | mugsie, hi | 14:46 |
| mnaser | deals | 14:46 |
| ricolin_ | :) | 14:46 |
| mugsie | healthcheck is on my personal wishlist, but its not ready yet :( | 14:46 |
| mugsie | ralonsoh: hey :) | 14:46 |
| fungi | even just pointers to some example changes which implemented privsep for a project might be helpful for others as a starting point | 14:46 |
| gmann | yeah. we need more detail check for healthcheck | 14:47 |
| mnaser | ok, looks like we have a good direction, we're a bit short on time so i will try and push to move on, but i think we have some good direction | 14:47 |
| ralonsoh | there are several examples in the storyboard | 14:47 |
| mnaser | #topic Completion of retirement cleanup (gmann) | 14:47 |
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| ralonsoh | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007686 | 14:47 |
| mnaser | ^ i think we can kill this right? it's all done at this point | 14:48 |
| gmann | yeah all done on this | 14:48 |
| mnaser | awesome | 14:48 |
| mnaser | #topic Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) | 14:48 |
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| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/749363/ | 14:48 |
| mnaser | that one has been merged | 14:48 |
| mnaser | any plans for any other tags or can we mark this as complete for now | 14:48 |
| gmann | yeah, I will post it on ML also to notify | 14:48 |
| mnaser | ++ | 14:49 |
| gmann | I am going to start assert:supports-api-interoperability as next | 14:49 |
| mnaser | neat | 14:49 |
| mnaser | #action gmann to start cleaning-up assert:supports-api-interoperability tag | 14:49 |
| gmann | this might need more pre-work and discussion. goal is to have more projects to take this tag | 14:49 |
| mnaser | (sometimes i really wish irc had "is typing", sorry for cutting off ralonsoh) | 14:50 |
| ttx | mnaser: only sometimes, though | 14:50 |
| ralonsoh | np | 14:50 |
| mnaser | ok, last ten minutes | 14:50 |
| mnaser | #topic PTG Planning | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Planning (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:50 | |
| mnaser | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-wallaby-ptg | 14:51 |
| mnaser | i added the tc policy on openstack client in there | 14:51 |
| mnaser | i think that is becoming more and more relevant | 14:51 |
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| mugsie | yeah | 14:52 |
| mnaser | so please fill that out if possible | 14:53 |
| mnaser | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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| mnaser | this is probably the last meeting as tc members for some individuals today, so i just wanted to thank them today while we're here :) | 14:53 |
| knikolla | ++ thank you | 14:54 |
| mugsie | mnaser: ++ | 14:54 |
| ricolin_ | ++ thank you | 14:54 |
| gmann | +1, thanks njohnston evrardjp for serving in TC and wonderful work. | 14:54 |
| mnaser | thanks evrardjp, njohnston, ricolin_ :) | 14:54 |
| belmoreira | yeah, thank you | 14:54 |
| evrardjp | my pleasure, I should probably say _our_ pleasure though :) | 14:55 |
| mnaser | we have a few candidates running for tc which include new names, should they be elected, i plan on hosting some sorts of an online meeting where we can on-board. it was a bit on me of not doing that properly then | 14:57 |
| mnaser | i think having (at least) a vocal connection to discuss and walk through things should help getting on-boarded, everyone is welcome of course | 14:57 |
| gmann | online meeting is nice idea. | 14:57 |
| mnaser | i will try to document the 'on-boarding package' which i'll go through as much as i can too | 14:58 |
| mnaser | and hopefully for those who joined in the last election who feel like they need a bit more info are free to refer/join too | 14:58 |
| belmoreira | +1 it's a good idea | 14:59 |
| mnaser | well | 14:59 |
| mnaser | "see you guys at the summit and ptg" ;) | 14:59 |
| mnaser | take care everyone, have a good rest of your morning/evening/afternoon | 14:59 |
| mnaser | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 14:59:58 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-10-01-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-10-01-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-10-01-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| gmann | thanks everyone. | 15:00 |
| ricolin_ | thanks mnaser | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | so FYI we merged the rpm packaging move to a sig, but the SIG isn't officially created | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/752659/1 | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | might be worth doing :) | 15:10 |
| gmann | evrardjp: +1, thanks | 15:12 |
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| jungleboyj | Sorry, got pulled into dealing with a fire. | 15:42 |
| jungleboyj | thanks evrardjp, njohnston, ricolin_ | 15:42 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Depending on how elections go I would love to be involved in on-boarding for new members. | 15:42 |
| jungleboyj | So, please keep me in the loop. | 15:43 |
| * njohnston also got pulled into dealing with a fire | 15:45 | |
| njohnston | thanks everyone. I am very grateful for how wonderful this experience has been, working with you all. I'll make sure not to be a stranger. :-) | 15:46 |
| fungi | glad you found it rewarding! | 15:50 |
| fungi | i'll be happy to welcome you to the tc emeritus peanut gallery in a couple of weeks | 15:51 |
| fungi | we can heckle together | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | The peanut gallery is more fun. ;) | 15:52 |
| * njohnston is honored to join the "Statler and Waldorf" crew | 15:52 | |
| fungi | hah, i was just picturing them | 15:53 |
| fungi | what was this meeting about again? | 15:53 |
| fungi | about an hour too long! | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:53 |
| njohnston | :) | 15:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Select Prvisep as the Wallaby Goal https://review.opendev.org/755590 | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Yes, I will join the Peanut Gallery as well if not voted back in. | 16:34 |
| * jungleboyj gets the bag of tomatoes out. | 16:34 | |
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| njohnston | mugsie: Did you ping ralonsoh to check and make sure he's still on board with leading privsep? If not I can reach out to him. | 16:53 |
| mugsie | njohnston: I did - we talked during the TC meeting | 16:53 |
| njohnston | mugsie: ah great, I missed that in my read through of the transcript | 16:54 |
| mugsie | np - it was in DM, just at the same time as the meeting | 16:54 |
| mugsie | so nothing in the scrollback for you too miss | 16:54 |
| njohnston | +1 | 16:55 |
| mnaser | can we get a vote on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/754099/ to merge? | 17:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Create the Packaging SIG https://review.opendev.org/752659 | 17:30 |
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| fungi | mnaser: https://review.opendev.org/755636 tags the governance repo for the upcoming elections | 19:33 |
| mnaser | i cant PTL approve :P | 19:33 |
| mnaser | but lgtm | 19:33 |
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