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| openstackgerrit | Nate Johnston proposed openstack/governance master: Resolution to define distributed leadership for projects https://review.opendev.org/744995 | 01:23 |
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| frickler | gmann: I don't understand https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-retirement-cleanup , why do we need to have a .gitreview? and what's the bonus of renaming all .md to .rst? seems like some big waste of resources to me | 07:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/ideas master: New communication tools proposal https://review.opendev.org/718932 | 09:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/ideas master: Project Stopwatch https://review.opendev.org/718929 | 09:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ideas master: Teapot: Add correction about Cinder CSI support https://review.opendev.org/736220 | 09:27 |
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| gmann | frickler: because of this - https://docs.opendev.org/opendev/infra-manual/latest/drivers.html#step-2-remove-project-content | 12:21 |
| gmann | frickler: and we want to be consistent on all retired repos with README format and all | 12:22 |
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| gmann | frickler: this is previous discussion on these - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2020-06-23.log.html#t2020-06-23T15:12:30 | 12:29 |
| frickler | well the format of the README is just plain text anyway, it's just the filename you want to change. I personally would value not touching a long-retired project higher than 100% consistency, but whatever | 12:33 |
| frickler | I just stumbled about this because the cookbook changes were noted in the chef channel, I couldn't approve them anyway even if I wanted to | 12:34 |
| gmann | frickler: we have changed the acl for all retired repos to tc memebes for these kind of cleanup + repo retired but their code still exist like draganflow etc. | 12:36 |
| gmann | https://opendev.org/openstack/project-config/src/branch/master/gerrit/acls/openstack/retired.config | 12:37 |
| gmann | main point here is how we can avoid these inconsistent retirement in future and mnaser new job can help it but we need to cleanup all old one first - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737559/3 | 12:38 |
| gmann | and for README format change we still need .gitreview to add. | 12:39 |
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| fungi | frickler: the main reason to switch those readmes to rst is that we want to be able to use a simple apache redirect from the old project docs so if they all use the same filename it becomes much easier | 12:45 |
| fungi | otherwise we have to maintain a mapping somewhere of which ones use rst and which are md | 12:46 |
| fungi | so that we can redirect to the correct file | 12:46 |
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| frickler | fungi: do you really need to redirect to the readme explicitly? for example https://opendev.org/openstack/cookbook-openstack-database/ seems to display the readme just fine, even with the "wrong" extension | 13:24 |
| fungi | frickler: that's a good point, we could make the redirect just go to the root of the retired repository | 13:27 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: 10 minute warning :) | 13:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | o/ | 13:56 |
| knikolla | o/ | 13:58 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 13:59 |
| mnaser | #startmeeting tc | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 14:00:12 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 14:00 |
| mnaser | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:00 | |
| gmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| mnaser | o/ | 14:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 14:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 14:00 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 14:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:00 |
| mnaser | 6/11 means we're good | 14:00 |
| mnaser | if i did math correctly | 14:01 |
| mnaser | right, i guess we can get going | 14:02 |
| mnaser | #topic Follow up on past action items | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on past action items (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:02 | |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:02 |
| mnaser | evrardjp & njohnston to start writing resolution about how deconstructed PTL role | 14:02 |
| mnaser | does anyone know if there's anything about this? | 14:02 |
| mnaser | as both are not present right now | 14:02 |
| evrardjp | there is | 14:02 |
| diablo_rojo | I thought I saw a paqtch last night | 14:02 |
| evrardjp | something up | 14:02 |
| mnaser | oh neat | 14:02 |
| evrardjp | please review | 14:02 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/744995/ | 14:03 |
| evrardjp | sorry I was away last week, so I didn't prepare this meeting correctly | 14:03 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-August/016336.html | 14:03 |
| mnaser | tc-members ^ please dig into this | 14:03 |
| gmann | ML also | 14:03 |
| jungleboyj | Interesting. I will take a look. | 14:04 |
| mnaser | #action tc-members to follow up and review "Resolution to define distributed leadership for projects" | 14:04 |
| mnaser | next up | 14:04 |
| mnaser | mnaser to find owner to start using facing API pop-up team over ML | 14:04 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo: helped me with this | 14:04 |
| mnaser | perhaps could fill in here? :) | 14:05 |
| belmoreira | yes, I can help on this | 14:05 |
| mnaser | cool | 14:06 |
| mnaser | so afaik belmoreira has volunteered to help get this started and progressed | 14:06 |
| belmoreira | I replied to the TC PTG summary, that I would like to own this. Will start discussing in the ML soon | 14:06 |
| mnaser | awesome. thank you | 14:06 |
| evrardjp | thank you belmoreira :) | 14:06 |
| mnaser | next up, gmann update goal selection docs to clarify the goal count | 14:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll also probably be around to help and support belmoreira :) | 14:06 |
| belmoreira | for sure I will need your guidance on this | 14:06 |
| jungleboyj | belmoreira: Thanks! | 14:07 |
| belmoreira | thanks diablo_rojo | 14:07 |
| gmann | goal doc update is merged #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/739150/ | 14:07 |
| mnaser | geat | 14:08 |
| mnaser | great* | 14:08 |
| mnaser | next up | 14:08 |
| mnaser | gmann start discussion around reviewing currenet tags | 14:08 |
| mnaser | i think this was revolving the actual tc tags | 14:08 |
| gmann | yeah | 14:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that sounds right. | 14:09 |
| gmann | first is tc:approved-release. manila patch to claim tc:approved-release tag is merged so i can start removal of tc:approved-release as first step | 14:09 |
| gmann | and next will be assert:supports-zero-downtime-upgrade where we do not have any projects having this tag and i think no testing way also | 14:10 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:10 |
| jungleboyj | If it isn't be used shouldn't keep it around. | 14:10 |
| diablo_rojo | There's still zaneb's open patch on adding the k8s tag as well. | 14:10 |
| mnaser | yeah, that seems good | 14:10 |
| mnaser | i'm hoping to get the k8s people involved into that one. | 14:10 |
| mnaser | but we didn't get a lot of info in the etherpad | 14:11 |
| gmann | we need to either have some testing framework if that is doable otherwise remove | 14:11 |
| zaneb | mnaser: to what end? | 14:11 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: ++ | 14:11 |
| mnaser | zaneb: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/kubernetes-cross-community-topics is what we had | 14:11 |
| jungleboyj | Wonder if I should put out another call to the ML on that one? | 14:11 |
| mnaser | we already have traction and a response from them | 14:11 |
| zaneb | so is that session scheduled? | 14:11 |
| mnaser | it's up to us to do that, i haven't done it because not much has been filled | 14:12 |
| mnaser | i'll go ahead and do it anyways | 14:12 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:12 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser schedule session with sig-arch and k8s steering committee | 14:12 |
| evrardjp | I think holidays, plus the fact that the call was close to a release didn't help. Maybe we can be lenient on waiting an answer? | 14:12 |
| mnaser | #action gmann continue to audit and clean-up tags | 14:12 |
| mnaser | they did already answer, they're waiting for us :) | 14:12 |
| evrardjp | ha | 14:13 |
| evrardjp | my bad, sorry. | 14:13 |
| zaneb | from my perspective we have more than enough expertise here to answer the question, and I would expect that very few of the sig-arch folks know anything about openstack | 14:13 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: When you have it scheduled would be good to send an ML note and encourage people to look at the etherpad again. | 14:13 |
| mnaser | will do | 14:13 |
| mnaser | and perhaps we should share knowledge with them and explain to them that nova = ec2 and hear their feedback on things | 14:13 |
| mnaser | it doesn't hurt, instead of us going about our way and doing things in a silo | 14:14 |
| zaneb | of course starting a regular dialog with them would be valuable for other reasons | 14:14 |
| mnaser | ++ | 14:14 |
| gmann | true | 14:14 |
| mnaser | so that they do eventually know what's going on here :) | 14:14 |
| mnaser | i'll schedule it | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:14 |
| mnaser | next up, "mnaser propose change to implement weekly meetings" -- i did not do this, i do think we need this | 14:14 |
| gmann | i think we should decide it fast as m-2 is already passed for this cycle. | 14:15 |
| mnaser | it's been a bit of an annoyance because there was already a resolution to drop weekly meetings | 14:16 |
| mnaser | so i kinda don't want to go through the whole process only to hear a "no" -- i think it will help our engagement cause things have been quiet lately | 14:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I thought the agreement was that we were settling on changing the times of office hours first. | 14:17 |
| mnaser | anyhow, i'll keep this here for me | 14:17 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser propose change to implement weekly meetings | 14:17 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 14:17 |
| diablo_rojo | And seeing how that goes for now | 14:17 |
| jungleboyj | We know that mnaser loves meetings. | 14:17 |
| mnaser | true -- and that's taken us a whole month unfortunately | 14:17 |
| diablo_rojo | And then maybe formalizing one of them a bit more, but on rotation because timezones. | 14:17 |
| diablo_rojo | mnaser, we've had all the results for a week ;) | 14:18 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Did we get a result from that? | 14:18 |
| mnaser | and this is why we need to meet more often because ML is just not getting the right engagement | 14:18 |
| knikolla | do we have new time candidates? | 14:18 |
| mnaser | ok, it took 3 weeks :) | 14:18 |
| gmann | yeah | 14:18 |
| mnaser | yes, we do -- so i'll work with diablo_rojo on picking the most popular times | 14:18 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:18 |
| mnaser | for "diablo_rojo start discussion on ML around potential items for OSF funded intern" -- i think this one was already done | 14:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Even still, we have them now and can move forward with the plan we agreed on last time rather than jumping ahead? | 14:18 |
| gmann | to continue office hour or converting one of them to meeting? | 14:18 |
| diablo_rojo | mnaser, it is, I thought i had removed that, did you not refresh the wiki? ;) | 14:19 |
| mnaser | diablo_rojo: i go over action items from last meeting -- aka http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-07-02-14.00.html | 14:19 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah that was what we agreed on last time I thought. | 14:19 |
| diablo_rojo | OHHH my bad | 14:19 |
| diablo_rojo | got it | 14:19 |
| mnaser | whatever we end up doing needs to be consistent, i don't really mind what we call it | 14:19 |
| mnaser | as long as we have quorum in that period of time, i'd be happy for a start | 14:20 |
| mnaser | next we have "njohnston and mugsie to work on getting goals groomed/proposed for W cycle" | 14:20 |
| gmann | i think there is no agreement on weekly meeting yet. we said to re-schedule the office hour to see how that can be more active | 14:20 |
| mnaser | i'll hold on to the weekly meeting idea then | 14:20 |
| gmann | humm | 14:20 |
| gmann | and we might finish the cycle while deciding itself :) | 14:21 |
| mnaser | anyone know anything on the 2 points above? | 14:21 |
| mnaser | as they're not present | 14:21 |
| gmann | on goal, I did not see ML or start collecting the ideas. | 14:22 |
| mnaser | i'll keep it on the list then | 14:22 |
| mnaser | #action njohnston and mugsie to work on getting goals groomed/proposed for W cycle | 14:22 |
| mnaser | finally "tc and co to help finish properly and cleanly retiring projects" -- i don't think this progressed much | 14:22 |
| mnaser | but we do have a topic for discussion of this later | 14:22 |
| mnaser | so i dont think we can dive too deep into it | 14:22 |
| mnaser | any other action items we need to follow up on that are not on the agenda? | 14:22 |
| diablo_rojo | None I can think of. | 14:24 |
| mnaser | #topic OpenStack User-facing APIs and CLIs (belmoreira) | 14:25 |
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| mnaser | belmoreira: all yours :) | 14:25 |
| belmoreira | As discussed long ago in the PTG it would be great if we have a consistent CLI | 14:26 |
| belmoreira | Let's interact with the different teams to understand the problems and missing pieces | 14:26 |
| belmoreira | I'm happy to help | 14:26 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:26 |
| knikolla | ++ | 14:27 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:27 |
| belmoreira | Will start with an email to the ML for the discussion | 14:27 |
| mnaser | i think that's a really good step | 14:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I think it would be good to get a state of the union update since the PTG from the SDK/CLI team too | 14:28 |
| gmann | artem is trying it since long, and was ready to volunteer for champion for goal also if we select., he can also definitely help | 14:28 |
| gmann | belmoreira: will you propose the pop-up team also along with ML? | 14:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes definitely a good resource. His input will be really valuable. | 14:29 |
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| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:29 |
| gmann | yeah | 14:29 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:29 |
| belmoreira | gmann Initially I was just thinking in start the discussion. I think that will come naturally after | 14:30 |
| gmann | ok, make sense. | 14:30 |
| mnaser | sounds good | 14:30 |
| fungi | the way i've viewed the relation between pop-up teams ang goals is that the end result of a pop-up team (its dissolution criteria) would often be selection of a cycle goal | 14:30 |
| mnaser | #action belmoreira start discussion around openstack user-facing apis & clis | 14:31 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, selection and not completion of the goal? | 14:31 |
| fungi | the pop-up teams members would likely become goal champions, but the pop-up team doesn't really need to exist once the entire community is on board with getting the work done | 14:32 |
| knikolla | hmm, interesting point of view. i've thought of the pop-up team's role as also assisting the various project teams, either through reviews and such. | 14:33 |
| gmann | yeah that is correct. it is both. helping on getting the things started and then propose goal when most of projects are ready | 14:34 |
| mnaser | i thin kwe can carry over the discussion into office hours | 14:34 |
| mnaser | i encourage belmoreira in this effort and happy to chime in when needed | 14:34 |
| gmann | yeah | 14:34 |
| mnaser | next up we have | 14:34 |
| mnaser | #topic W cycle goal selection start | 14:34 |
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| mnaser | i think we haven't had any progress on this, right? | 14:34 |
| gmann | njohnston is here in case he has any | 14:34 |
| fungi | (as far as "continuing discussions during office hours" keep in mind that the osf monthly community meeting is happening at the same time as today's office hour) | 14:35 |
| njohnston | I have an action item to reach out to mugsie to get the review started this week | 14:36 |
| gmann | note; we do have one goal (rootwrap) in proposed directory. | 14:36 |
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| mnaser | ok, so i guess we will stick to the same action item listed above earlier | 14:39 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:39 |
| mnaser | #topic Completion of retirement cleanup (gmann) | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Completion of retirement cleanup (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:40 | |
| mnaser | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-retirement-cleanup | 14:41 |
| mnaser | we probably haven't really done anything on this so far | 14:41 |
| gmann | we did :) | 14:41 |
| gmann | one is osf repos- | 14:41 |
| mnaser | well that's good, that's a small dent | 14:41 |
| fungi | yep, project rename maintenance happened | 14:41 |
| mnaser | oh wow | 14:42 |
| gmann | after interop repos, transparency-policy is also now in osf namespace and cleanup of osf repo is now merged | 14:42 |
| mnaser | that's an awesome amount of patches up | 14:42 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/739291/1 | 14:42 |
| mnaser | ok so we can land gmann changes | 14:42 |
| gmann | and for other README and gitreview cleanup i have pushed all the required patches | 14:42 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:cleanup-retirement+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:42 |
| mnaser | that's amazing | 14:43 |
| gmann | networking-l2gw is in progress which is little complex #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:complete-retirement-networking-l2gw+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:43 |
| mnaser | tc-members: do we just want to agree to let gmann land their own changes? | 14:43 |
| fungi | it's worth a mention that, as frickler pointed out in here just before the meeting, we don't actually need to rename/convert markdown readmes to rst if we make the docs redirect just go to the root of the retired repository, since gitea will render either readme format there too | 14:43 |
| mnaser | unless you'd rather someone else do it, then i think lets just single core get it over with | 14:43 |
| mnaser | fungi: right except we wouldn't have the job that checks for retirements, or it would have a long list of exceptions | 14:44 |
| gmann | yeah, we had chat with frickler this morning on these | 14:44 |
| mnaser | this is a good way to just make it consistent properly for good | 14:44 |
| gmann | but i feel for consistency we should do | 14:44 |
| gmann | yeah | 14:44 |
| gmann | only repo left, i think not yet initiated is openstack/python-dracclient | 14:45 |
| mnaser | i'd be ok with letting gmann just merge it themselves | 14:45 |
| fungi | yep, the consistency point is still a good one for simplifying the check job (at least if we consider having the check job look for either readme.rst ro readme.md additional complication) | 14:45 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:45 |
| diablo_rojo | +1 | 14:46 |
| mnaser | gmann: are you comfortable with that? | 14:47 |
| gmann | mnaser: i am ok | 14:47 |
| mnaser | anyhow, you can recheck my patch and see if it's unhappy after a few merges | 14:47 |
| mnaser | so we don't end up merging a lot that are missing a fix | 14:47 |
| gmann | yeah that is the plan | 14:47 |
| mnaser | perfect | 14:47 |
| gmann | and for openstack/python-dracclient, should we leave this to ironic team to decide the next step? | 14:48 |
| mnaser | #action gmann to merge changes to properly retire projects | 14:48 |
| mnaser | gmann: yeah, i think that's the right thing to do | 14:48 |
| gmann | ok. | 14:48 |
| mnaser | well | 14:51 |
| mnaser | i think that's it? | 14:51 |
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| gmann | yeah, i think so. | 14:53 |
| mnaser | cool, | 14:55 |
| mnaser | thanks everyone | 14:55 |
| mnaser | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Technical Committee office hours: Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/" | 14:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 14:55:05 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-08-06-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks mnaser! | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-08-06-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-08-06-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
| gmann | thanks | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Regarding python-dracclient, I'd love to get some input from everyone. | 14:55 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 14:55 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | There are a couple repos that are Dell specific. They are mostly driven by Dell, but they do occasionally get patches from customers and others interested in it. | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | And they are very open to having that and trying to encourage community participation. | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Would folks here be open to the idea of a Dell Hardware SIG or something like that? | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | They would like to have it an official OpenStack thing, rather than being off in a quiet corner by themselves doing stuff that would actively discourage broader participation. | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | We kinda sorta have/had similar precendents with Power and VMware things. | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | To mixed success. | 14:57 |
| fungi | we have some fairly ibm-specific repos handled by the multi-arch sig right? (formerly handled by the powervmstackers team or whatever) | 14:57 |
| fungi | er, what you just said | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | If the idea is acceptable, I'd propose the creation of a new SIG that could own some of those repos. | 14:58 |
| fungi | also don't forget folks, community meeting starting in one minute: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2020-August/002892.html | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Or heck, even a Hardware Vendors SIG that could own Dell, Lenovo, HPE, etc repos to try to encourage open development by all of these that basically everyone eventually ends up using if you go down the stack far enough. | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | But we would be happy to at least start with Dell and expand the scope if it actually is useful. | 14:59 |
| mnaser | perhaps even the redfish-y thing | 14:59 |
| mnaser | +s | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, could be a great home for things like that. | 14:59 |
| gmann | smcginnis: i think that is good idea of "Hardware Vendors SIG" | 14:59 |
| fungi | would out-of-tree hardware drivers also be acceptable under that umbrella? | 15:00 |
| gmann | yeah redfish too | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | fungi: As in whether they would want to use that to bring those out-of-tree repos into OpenStack-proper? Participation in the SIG itself would be open to anyone, but yeah, it could also be a way to get the code over to somewhere more open than most have right now. | 15:01 |
| fungi | folks have been looking for a loophole to get out-of-tree drivers hosted in the "openstack" git namespace without needing an affiliation-diverse project team responsible for them | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | This could be a way for them to do that, and hopefully actually encourage some collaboration across some of these that wouldn't otherwise have much incentive to get diverse participation. | 15:03 |
| fungi | yeah, i don't see how a cinder driver repository for dell arrays is necessarily fundamentally different from a hypervisor driver to allow nova to boot instances on ibm powervm platform | 15:04 |
| fungi | so if the latter is acceptable to be hosted in the openstack git namespace under auspices of a sig, then the former could be as well | 15:05 |
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| fungi | tc-members: reminder, the osf community meeting is underway now. this month's topic is on strategy and planning for the osf | 15:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Does Lenovo have anything that would be a fit for this? Want to be a co-chair if I propose it? | 15:07 |
| ricolin | Hardware Vendors SIG +1 | 15:08 |
| ricolin | sounds like a good idea to develop | 15:08 |
| * ricolin is back tracking meeting logs | 15:08 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good question. We might have things that could benefit from this. | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | I can't think of anything specific at the moment. I would be willing to work with you on this either way. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Cool, thanks! Feedback sounds favorable so far, so later I will put together a patch proposing the SIG creation. | 15:10 |
| gmann | +1. thanks | 15:11 |
| jungleboyj | Welcome. | 15:12 |
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| fungi | tc-members: for those who weren't on the community meeting call, you'll probably want to pay attention to follow-up since it was partially about taking openstack-specific references out of the osf bylaws, which also includes some special privileges originally granted to the openstack tc to allow it to participate in governing the foundation which bears the project's name | 16:18 |
| fungi | my takeaway is that the openstack project will be presented with a compromise which allows it some more latitude in how it defines its own governance, but at the same time gives up some direct control over how the foundation is governed | 16:20 |
| fungi | i expect it to be a fair deal, but one where you'll want to pay close attention and weigh the options carefully | 16:22 |
| gmann | fungi: mnaser seems like we need some force merge on retirement cleanup as there is no jobs running on those repo after retirement, anything you guys discussed before on this - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/745128/1 | 16:38 |
| gmann | because adding noop jobs will be unnecessary work. | 16:38 |
| fungi | gmann: i thought we set that acl up to allow tc members to leave verified +2 and call submit on changes | 16:39 |
| fungi | if we didn't, we could | 16:39 |
| mnaser | tc members shouldn be able to verified+2 | 16:40 |
| mnaser | i can at least | 16:40 |
| mnaser | maybe i did a bad thing | 16:40 |
| gmann | i can. i see now thanks | 16:40 |
| mnaser | ok perfect, gmann do you see a 'submit' button appear once that was done? | 16:40 |
| fungi | the idea was to allow tc members to bypass ci on retired repos and merge changes directly (since they don't run any jobs) | 16:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Propose new Hardware Vendor SIG https://review.opendev.org/745185 | 16:40 |
| mnaser | cause i don't see it and i think we might need to cover that :( | 16:40 |
| mnaser | yeah, i guess we missed the submit permission | 16:41 |
| gmann | mnaser: no submit button, it is on 'Ready to Submit' | 16:41 |
| fungi | yeah, so maybe need to ass submit for tc members to that acl | 16:42 |
| fungi | s/ass/add/ | 16:42 |
| mnaser | fungi: do you know of an acl in infra that covers that? | 16:43 |
| gmann | its there though - https://opendev.org/openstack/project-config/src/branch/master/gerrit/acls/openstack/retired.config#L4 | 16:43 |
| gmann | this one need to remove? https://opendev.org/openstack/project-config/src/branch/master/gerrit/acls/openstack/retired.config#L16 | 16:44 |
| fungi | mnaser: gmann: oh! i think the submit permission needs to move down to the [access "refs/heads/*"] section | 16:48 |
| mnaser | ah, that is correct | 16:48 |
| fungi | in our all-projects acl we specify it under that ref glob, not under refs/for/refs/heads/* | 16:48 |
| mnaser | gmann: can you push that change? | 16:48 |
| gmann | sure | 16:49 |
| gmann | mnaser: fungi: this way? - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/745187/1 | 16:53 |
| fungi | gmann: yep, perfect | 16:53 |
| gmann | thanks | 16:54 |
| fungi | sorry i didn't spot that problem originally | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Propose new Hardware Vendor SIG https://review.opendev.org/745185 | 17:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Remove deprecation warning from docs build https://review.opendev.org/745190 | 17:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nate Johnston proposed openstack/governance master: Resolution to define distributed leadership for projects https://review.opendev.org/744995 | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: Move towards single office hour https://review.opendev.org/745200 | 18:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: Move towards dual office hours https://review.opendev.org/745201 | 18:32 |
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