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| ttx | mnaser, fungi, AJaeger: while you are in the janitorial discussion -- I spotted one repository that is defined in Zuul and Gerrit but has been retired: openstack/tripleo-ui -- looks like this one missed one step? | 09:59 |
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| AJaeger | ttx, good point - missed in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665259/1/zuul/main.yaml | 10:06 |
| ttx | AJaeger: I can submit it, unless you're already on it | 10:06 |
| AJaeger | ttx, please do! And check that the other repos are removed as well. | 10:08 |
| AJaeger | thanks! | 10:08 |
| ttx | I'm doublechecking now | 10:08 |
| AJaeger | Seems to be the only repo from those | 10:09 |
| AJaeger | yes, three repos - it removed on in 665259, one in followup - so tempest-ui is only one missing | 10:11 |
| ttx | you mean tripleo-ui | 10:12 |
| AJaeger | yes, tripleo-ui | 10:14 |
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| ttx | Found a few more I think | 10:20 |
| ttx | openstack/networking-l2gw | 10:21 |
| ttx | openstack/openstack-ux | 10:21 |
| ttx | openstack/dragonflow | 10:21 |
| ttx | openstack/networking-onos | 10:21 |
| ttx | openstack/python-dracclient | 10:21 |
| ttx | openstack/solum-infra-guestagent | 10:21 |
| ttx | openstack/networking-l2gw-tempest-plugin | 10:21 |
| ttx | openstack/tripleo-ui | 10:21 |
| ttx | I suspect some of those are in progress | 10:21 |
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| ttx | AJaeger: ^ those are defined in Zuul but present in legacy.yaml. I think they have not started their retirement process yet | 10:25 |
| ttx | It's a bit confusing because legacy.yaml contains both retired and not-yet-retired-but-unofficial things | 10:26 |
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| ttx | smcginnis, AJaeger: do you track the list of things that are in legacy but with retirement pending ? I see Sean proposed to complete dragonflow recently | 10:33 |
| ttx | feels a bit weird to me that we retired congress and tricircle already, but still have dragonflow around | 10:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: No longer track refstack repos in governance https://review.opendev.org/737962 | 10:43 |
| mnaser | ttx: the “Ci job” has caught all these so we can adjust them | 11:41 |
| AJaeger | ttx, let's check with my list from yesterday: dragonflow networking-l2gw networking-l2gw-tempest-plugin networking-onos openstack-ux python-dracclient solum-infra-guestagent transparency-policy - and tread them separate. | 11:49 |
| AJaeger | ttx, ah, transparency-policy is wrong in my list. Otherwise, we have the same. | 11:50 |
| AJaeger | ttx, these repos were not retired - but abandoned from their repos or moved out of governance when we had a different policy. | 11:51 |
| AJaeger | ttx, so, yes, those need retirement now - and looking at discussion, I think mnaser and/or smcginnis will take care of them. | 11:52 |
| ttx | ok, great! | 11:52 |
| AJaeger | mnaser: do you want to approve ttx' tripleo-ui cleanup, please - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737961/ | 11:53 |
| mnaser | AJaeger: sure let me click /me is on mobile | 11:54 |
| mnaser | AJaeger: done. I think we should check zuul projects to make sure there’s no reference and gerrit is pointing towards retired acl | 11:56 |
| AJaeger | mnaser: ttx and myself did already, rest is fine | 11:57 |
| AJaeger | mnaser: thanks | 11:57 |
| mnaser | AJaeger: oh I meant in my little validate legacy script :) to prevent missing things in the future | 11:57 |
| AJaeger | mnaser: ah, sure! | 11:57 |
| mnaser | or maybe it could be for project-config that nothing which has retired acl exists in zuul config | 11:58 |
| mnaser | That way we stop it a step earlier. Anywyas, we’re currently pending / waiting for infra because apparently there was some manage projects issue because of newer gîtes | 11:58 |
| AJaeger | mnaser: yes, that could go into project-config as well | 11:59 |
| AJaeger | mnaser, smcginnis , ttx, let me do three repos as well - I'll retire networking-onos, solum-infra-guestagent openstack-ux now | 12:03 |
| AJaeger | mnaser, smcginnis, ttx, all patches sent. | 12:26 |
| AJaeger | That leaves networking-l2gw, networking-l2gw-tempest-plugin, python-dracclient | 12:27 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 12:34 |
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| gmann | o/ | 13:48 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 13:49 |
| knikolla | o/ | 14:09 |
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| mnaser | can i get some reviews on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737734/2 ? :) | 14:13 |
| gmann | done | 14:18 |
| gmann | as discussed yesterday here is networking-l2gw* retirement cleanup - https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:complete-retirement-networking-l2gw+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:19 |
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| AJaeger | gmann: thanks! That is not complete, see http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=openstack%2Fnetworking-l2gw&i=nope&files=&repos= and my comment on the project-config change. | 14:21 |
| * AJaeger does not like to break other repos job and have Zuul complain about unknown projects | 14:21 | |
| gmann | AJaeger: yeah dependency things I am doing. thanks | 14:21 |
| gmann | I will announce on ML and start removing those | 14:22 |
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| AJaeger | thanks | 14:24 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 15:05 |
| mnaser | hello i am late but i am here | 15:44 |
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| gmann | tc-members: community meeting updates from today meeting. we had two questions 1. 3rd party zuul v3 migration help 2. release management support for independent projects (ironic was example due to the ML thread) 3. supports-api-interoperability tag plan for all projects | 16:41 |
| gmann | 1. 3rd party need help on zuulv3 CI/CD migration and zuulv3 native jobs . first one is being discussed in zuul channel and 2nd one we can help as part of community goal at least about migration guide and examples. | 16:43 |
| gmann | 2. i think there is no other progress then what is there in ML thread | 16:44 |
| mnaser | yeah -- i've gotten some feedback that getting zuul to run is hard, "you figure it out" is a pattern | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | :-( Getting Zuul to run is hard. | 16:45 |
| gmann | yeah, even 3rd party CI are on old distro version which our tooling like devstack does not support and we get question like 'we are broken by you' | 16:45 |
| clarkb | in this case we mean "get zuul to run a functioning job" ? or deploy zuul the service? (I think addressing those needs two different appraoches so important to distinguish) | 16:45 |
| mnaser | clarkb: i think #1 is a is the first big leap | 16:46 |
| gmann | clarkb: do you track somewhere how many 3rd party are not zuulv3 yet? | 16:47 |
| clarkb | ok. For "deploy zuul the service" I think we should keep improving the zuul installation docs as we get that feedback. But for run a functioning devstack type job thats going to require a bit more openstack specific debugging. Things like which repos do you need in your zuul repo list and what base jobs to use | 16:47 |
| clarkb | gmann: no, tracking third party ci isn't really an infra job | 16:47 |
| clarkb | we've tried to aid people as much asp ossible but knowing who is running what and how reliable it is and so on has largely been left to the projects themslves | 16:48 |
| gmann | actually if they do not move in upstream face, we end up spending lot of time to fixes the things which we should avoid, you know devstack questions on xenial and old legacy jobs | 16:48 |
| clarkb | a big part of that is we've never prescribed any sset of tooling for third party ci. We've had people use Zuulv2 and v3 but also Jenkins and home build scripts | 16:49 |
| gmann | yeah that is true | 16:49 |
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| clarkb | and still we don't require zuulv3 | 16:50 |
| gmann | but d-g is one big thing for them. and in next cycle if we deprecate/freeze/remove many will be broken or few i do not know | 16:51 |
| gmann | I am concern about, we might get a lot of 'we are broken' | 16:52 |
| clarkb | yes, the real issues are d-g being deprecated and also very old CI installations that have been neglected so no one knows how to upgrade the services/platform | 16:53 |
| clarkb | deprecating d-g puts more emphasis on devstack itself | 16:53 |
| clarkb | zuulv3 does that with some devstack base jobs but you could run devstack without d-g and without zuul if you choose | 16:53 |
| gmann | yeah. | 16:54 |
| clarkb | another challenge is we have relied a lot on third party CI operators to figure a lot of this out and then document that for others. But it seems like no one is doing that anymore | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, we had a number of people do it for Cinder but then not document it. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | We would send people to them for help as they came along. | 16:57 |
| tosky | so far what I've suggested is to look at the Software Factory bundle | 16:57 |
| clarkb | tosky: I think that helps with deploying a CI tool, but not "how to run devstack against my fancy storage/network/pci device" but maybe SF has a blog/docs for that now too? | 16:58 |
| tosky | uhm, the documentation is mostly for setting up the CI itself | 17:00 |
| tosky | and connect it to opendev's CI | 17:01 |
| clarkb | right | 17:01 |
| gmann | 3rd question in community meeting was on 'supports-api-interoperability tag plan for all projects' | 17:03 |
| gmann | this is little difficult thing but imortant to improve the OpenStack API experience. | 17:04 |
| gmann | our current API guidelines for interop are not so strong, it says lot of things as recommended not must so causing lot of inconsistency | 17:05 |
| gmann | i think we need more pre-work on defining the concrete guide for APIs from interoperability perspective and then start iterating this tag | 17:06 |
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| gouthamr | gmann: o/ is there a recording for this community meeting? | 17:46 |
| gmann | gouthamr: yes, that is recorded. aprice or jimmy might send the link on ML same way as Q1 meetings. | 17:48 |
| gouthamr | great ty gmann, i'll look for it | 17:49 |
| gmann | gouthamr: as you are here, have you proposed the manila application for 'tc:approved-release' tag and after that we will start the removal of this tag saying everything under openstack governance is tc:approved-release | 17:51 |
| gouthamr | gmann: nope :| not yet - i'm running quite late on my PTG TODOs | 17:51 |
| gouthamr | gmann: i'll do this one right away though ^ | 17:52 |
| gmann | gouthamr: great. this will help to start the next step on that tag. thanks | 17:53 |
| gouthamr | gmann: you're welcome, thanks for the reminder! | 17:53 |
| aprice | gouthamr: about to send it out momentarily with the slides | 17:54 |
| gouthamr | aprice awesome! ty! | 17:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add Neutron Arista plugin charm to OpenStack charms https://review.opendev.org/737734 | 20:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/governance master: Add "tc:approved-release" tag to manila https://review.opendev.org/738105 | 20:35 |
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