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| cloudnull | o/ | 12:52 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 13:11 |
| ricolin | o/ | 13:11 |
| njohnston | I am doublebooked pretty heavily between the neutron team discussions and the TC time tomorrow; do we know what will be discussed when on the TC side, so I can try to selectively bounce between sessions? | 13:13 |
| njohnston | mnaser ^^ | 13:13 |
| gmann | yeah, same question from me, do we have schedule per topic? | 13:13 |
| mnaser | njohnston, gmann: i was hoping we'd take 15 minutes at the start of today to split out sessions | 13:14 |
| njohnston | cool mnaser, I can be there for the first 30 or so | 13:27 |
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| gmann | mnaser: ok, | 13:42 |
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| mugsie_ | are we in meetpad or Zoom now? | 14:06 |
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| gmann | mugsie: zoom, same as QA room but after 48 min | 14:12 |
| mugsie | gmann: yeah, I can't timezone anymore :) | 14:13 |
| mugsie | thakns | 14:13 |
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| jroll | where would I find the meeting password? | 15:00 |
| jroll | I've been afk for a week and change and not caught up on ML / PTG details yet :( | 15:01 |
| njohnston | jroll: send via PM | 15:01 |
| jroll | got some PMs, thanks :D | 15:01 |
| mnaser | tc-members: https://zoom.us/j/91266780961 | 15:01 |
| mnaser | if you dont have the password, just pm me | 15:01 |
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| fungi | also the password can be found in your eventbrite notifications if you log into the eventbrite webpage | 15:05 |
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| spotz | I thought TC was tomorrow? | 15:34 |
| fungi | it's both | 15:35 |
| spotz | I can't keep track of things:( | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | Block today, tomorrow, and Friday - http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html | 15:35 |
| fungi | 15:00-17:00 utc today, 13:00-17:00 tomorrow, 15:00-17:00 friday | 15:36 |
| spotz | Ok the TC is going to the barn with me:) | 15:36 |
| fungi | i like to curl up and sleep with the dulcet tones of the tc coming through my speakers | 15:37 |
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| spotz | Sorry about dropping. Rebooting phone fixed my connection | 17:04 |
| spotz | AUC status was one of the reasons we had trouble getting UC candidates so if that can be adjusted will help | 17:05 |
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| fungi | spotz: yeah, if you look at https://www.openstack.org/legal/user-committee-member-policy/ it only says "1. Membership of User Committee. The User Committee will consist of five members. Beginning with the first election, all members selected to the User Committee shall be Individual Members." but the uc explicitly extends that in its charter at | 17:16 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html#user-committee-members to say "All members selected to the UC shall be Individual Members and Active User Contributors (AUC)" | 17:16 |
| fungi | the foundation bylaws also grant the uc full control over its own charter: "Except as expressly provided in these Bylaws, the User Committee shall determine its process and procedures, provided that such process and procedures must be published in a manner that they are readily accessible to all Members of the Foundation." | 17:17 |
| fungi | so the new "uc" (tc subset) is free to drop the auc requirement for uc seats | 17:18 |
| fungi | the bylaws also say the uc gets to decide what the definition of an auc is, and the uc does that in its charter as well, so the new combined body could redefine "auc" consistent with however it needs to operate | 17:19 |
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| fungi | basically, in order to avoid bylaws changes, we only need to be concerned with the requirements mentioned in bylaws 4.14 and appendix 10, anything outside that (like the current uc charter) is malleable | 17:20 |
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| fungi | looks like someone has taken up the task of backporting security fixes to stable/pike: https://review.opendev.org/726016 | 17:48 |
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| spotz | fungi so maybe before merging we should update that AUC part?:) | 17:50 |
| fungi | i expect there will be a fair number of updates which need to be done to the uc charter (possibly also some to the tc charter) as part of combining the tc and uc | 17:54 |
| fungi | it's just the bylaws we're trying to avoid modifying | 17:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/election master: Stop to use the __future__ module. https://review.opendev.org/732836 | 18:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | "A large part of being on the TC is active communication to ensure each member is up-to-date on what's being discussed, issues that may have arisen, and what's coming up." | 18:47 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess we all need to read our own docs better lol. | 18:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Update joining-tc.rst to be general tc-guide.rst https://review.opendev.org/732983 | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Got started on one of the things we talked about today ^^ | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | tc-members ^^ | 19:11 |
| njohnston | thanks diablo_rojo, will try to look at it today | 19:21 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Good start. Thank you. I have added some comments. Nits mostly. | 20:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yeah I figured there was more that would need to get added (hopefully pointed out by people that have been around longer), but wanted to get started while it was all fresh in my head. | 21:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for the review! | 21:06 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. Thanks for getting it started. | 21:07 |
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| gmann | diablo_rojo: thanks, ack. | 21:45 |
| gmann | tc-members: reminder to vote on V cycle 2nd goal - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731213/ | 21:45 |
| gouthamr | o/ tc-members, if you're around and would like to listen in and share opinions on a manila discussion regarding TC tags, please do - we're looking to have that at 2235 in the Cactus Zoom room: https://www.openstack.org/ptg/rooms/cactus | 21:54 |
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| gmann | gouthamr: thanks for ping, I will join. | 22:15 |
| gouthamr | gmann: great :) thanks! | 22:15 |
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| gmann | mnaser: i added a new topic to discuss the "tc:approved-release" tag which came up during Manila PTG discussion for TC tags. please check when we can discuss that. | 23:26 |
| gmann | gouthamr: ^^ added in TC PTG etherpad - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-victoria-ptg | 23:26 |
| gouthamr | gmann: thank you! if you folks are discussing that in your meeting tomorrow, tbarron and i can pop in and share our views... the slot on friday overlaps with ours, but we can try to follow up after if its added for then.. | 23:28 |
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| gmann | gouthamr: sure, I will ping you guys once mnaser select the time for that. | 23:39 |
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