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| evrardjp | I thought it was worth to set this as a formal vote, as it will basically be the base framework for multiple analysis, so I would rather get that right. It's not only about documenting, it also about being able to establish long term trends. That is until we have a better appropriate tool. | 06:50 |
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| evrardjp | (should we have one in the future I mean) | 06:50 |
| evrardjp | if it's just about writing down results of a survey, I would say, yes, it's a documentation change, but then the whole exercise is pointless, as the results have been sent into the mailing lists. We need to remember this exercise and use our repo as a tool for common knowledge sharing | 06:55 |
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| evrardjp | what's the urgency? | 07:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar (raukadah) proposed openstack/governance master: Add openstack-tempest-skiplist under TripleO https://review.opendev.org/714030 | 07:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar (raukadah) proposed openstack/governance master: Add openstack-tempest-skiplist under TripleO https://review.opendev.org/714030 | 08:45 |
| ttx | evrardjp: re: urgency IIUC aprice would like to start referencing it, so the sooner the better | 08:46 |
| ttx | Re: house rules... the 7-day rule is meant to protect things that are difficult to roll back, like policy decision. Here it's easy to revert or push subsequent patchsets, so I'd be flexible | 08:48 |
| evrardjp | Yeah, I don't intend to be a pain and be inflexible :p | 08:50 |
| evrardjp | It's just that I want us to do it right, because I know this won't be updated till the next iteration. | 08:50 |
| evrardjp | I have added my comments, and I might propose a patch later today, if I am not dead by meetings. | 08:51 |
| evrardjp | >< | 08:51 |
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| ttx | office hour! | 09:01 |
| ttx | tc-members: it's community newsletter week... If you have things to communicate please add to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news | 09:02 |
| ttx | I already have: | 09:02 |
| ttx | Gearing up for final release, cycle highlights being collected | 09:02 |
| ttx | Victoria release schedule, Wallaby name | 09:02 |
| ttx | Elections started | 09:02 |
| ttx | Ideas framework, including Teapot | 09:03 |
| ttx | I think that covers it | 09:03 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 09:03 |
| evrardjp | I am wondering if the community newsletter isn't redundant with the [all][tc] ML email I send. | 09:04 |
| ttx | wthe tager is wider and different, but information certainly overlaps | 09:04 |
| ttx | the target* | 09:04 |
| ttx | Like this is targeted to people who are not (yet) on some of the MLs | 09:05 |
| ttx | if only to encourage them to join them if they need the next level of info | 09:05 |
| ttx | i suspect there are people on the ML that are not reading the OSF community newsletter, so I'd say both have merit | 09:06 |
| evrardjp | got it | 09:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add devstack-plugin-nfs project under QA https://review.opendev.org/711835 | 11:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add new repositories under TripleO governance https://review.opendev.org/712095 | 11:37 |
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| fungi | also the osf newsletter gets posted on the superuser e-zine (when they get time to do that) | 12:27 |
| fungi | and it covers other projects besides openstack | 12:28 |
| mnaser | wrt the analysis, i think a change that documents the process would be formal-vote but as of now, we're not really building any framework out of that | 13:10 |
| njohnston | o/ | 13:16 |
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| gmann | o/ | 13:30 |
| ricolin | o/ | 13:31 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 13:31 |
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| evrardjp | mnaser: then what's the point? I thought we were analysing things, not only dropping the results :) It seems we do have an analysis that was started by jungleboyj, and it starts to set some trends... | 13:52 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: i feel like we have consumers of this document that are being impacted/blocked by our lack of progress | 13:54 |
| mnaser | and stalling it out longer may risk that they will pick something else to work on and we miss out on that :) | 13:55 |
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| evrardjp | that's fair | 14:00 |
| evrardjp | let's iterate then | 14:00 |
| evrardjp | I will drill further | 14:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Analysis of 2019 User Survey Feedback https://review.opendev.org/698582 | 14:10 |
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| fungi | aprice: ^ https://governance.openstack.org/tc/user_survey/analysis-12-2019.html | 14:31 |
| aprice | thanks, all! | 14:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance master: Fix 2019 survey result formatting https://review.opendev.org/714662 | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | Minor formatting nit ^ | 14:36 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: evrardjp Thank you. | 14:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Details details. ;-) | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | A/24 | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | pff | 14:43 |
| fungi | bingo! | 14:43 |
| jungleboyj | Miss | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | :D | 14:44 |
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| fungi | pretty sneaky, sis | 14:55 |
| bauzas | folks, I have one question | 14:57 |
| bauzas | has anyone already asked whether we could delay ussuri-3 ? | 14:57 |
| bauzas | given covid-19 N | 14:57 |
| bauzas | ? | 14:57 |
| bauzas | some of folks have some problems for working given they also have to help their children | 14:58 |
| fungi | why not just make it a lighter release and move stuff which isn't seeing progress into victoria? | 14:58 |
| fungi | what goes into a release is entirely up to each team | 14:59 |
| bauzas | because if so, some customers would need to have new features by at least 6 months after | 14:59 |
| fungi | which customers are these? | 14:59 |
| bauzas | heh, anyone | 14:59 |
| fungi | can't they delay their desire for new features given covid-19? | 14:59 |
| bauzas | anyway, it's just an open question | 14:59 |
| fungi | releases are pretty well automated. either stuff goes into them or it doesn't... main reason i could see to delay the release is if the release team is having trouble reviewing/approving release changes, or infrastructure is having issues staying operable due to lack of available sysadmins | 15:01 |
| fungi | doesn't seem like a stretch for nova to decide that ussuri will just include some minor bug fixes because all ussuri specs were postponed to victoria | 15:02 |
| fungi | or whatever | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | Agree completely. | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Remove Jeremy Stanley from election officials https://review.opendev.org/714678 | 15:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix 2019 survey result formatting https://review.opendev.org/714662 | 15:59 |
| fungi | if anything, "keep calm and continue releasing" would make a nice poster ;) | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | meme fungi is meme-ing | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | :D | 16:05 |
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| mnaser | bauzas: is there any specific thing in particular that seems to be adding an extra load, could we help lighten the load somehow? | 16:31 |
| mnaser | bauzas: I can try and somehow help and I hope other folks can try to. I much rather we ship more and not delay than compromise and wait for 6 months | 16:32 |
| bauzas | mnaser: not really, I haven't discussed it yet with all the nova contributors | 16:32 |
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