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| gmann | o/ | 14:27 |
| gmann | tc-members: things to note. Congress might need PTL and I do not see any other active members take that role or even team to maintain it. Eric is the only active member in Congress after another core left NEC last year: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013218.html | 14:35 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 14:36 |
| njohnston | That is unfortunate | 14:38 |
| TheJulia | I wonder if it makes sense to put the project into maintenance. Trying to find someone to be the PTL for an inactive project just seems... wrong. | 14:40 |
| gmann | TheJulia: that makes sense when no active contributor in such projects. But wondering how Maintainance mode will work I mean what activities we should keep doing like release, gate green etc. from QA perspective I have kept/can do in future also their gate green or any community goals to update but find hard to get those patches merged. | 14:50 |
| evrardjp | TheJulia: agreed | 14:51 |
| gmann | because it can easily go broken due to deps etc until we do not freeze re | 14:51 |
| gmann | req | 14:51 |
| evrardjp | gmann: is congress used as dependency for other projects? | 14:51 |
| gmann | it can be Freeze state like no code update, no release, req cap etc | 14:51 |
| gmann | evrardjp: i am not aware of any, in NEC we did PoC for fault management with Tacker, Congress and Monasca by implementing Tacker driver in congress. | 14:52 |
| gmann | congress as dep I think no but need to check | 14:53 |
| evrardjp | that would be awesome. Else do you want to be PTL of Congress? | 14:53 |
| evrardjp | ;) | 14:53 |
| gmann | I found one, other than deployment tools, Murano use it | 14:58 |
| evrardjp | is murano still alive too? | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | I mean, there is not much activity, does it? | 15:10 |
| gmann | yeah not much only community goals and few trivial things goes in. zhurong is doing all merges there alone. | 15:12 |
| zaneb | according to user survey, Congress usage is steady at 2% for the last 3 years. Murano at 5% and falling | 15:13 |
| ttx | On topic: just posted http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013236.html | 15:16 |
| ttx | I think Congress is onw example where keeping it alive will burn out a few contributors energy, which would be better spent elsewhere | 15:17 |
| ttx | Murano should have been removed a few years ago, it's irrelevant in the current container tech landscape | 15:18 |
| gmann | I think with usage perspective what zaneb mentioned the percentage, it is time to freeze them and keep it for sometime if any of the user notice no releases and want to maintain those. | 15:20 |
| mugsie | congress being in the state it is is unfortunate, but I think maintence mode for x period, before retiring is the right way forward | 15:21 |
| gmann | yeah. I will say 1 or 2 cycle with no release that give enough notice to users | 15:21 |
| mugsie | is murano actually used anywhere? | 15:21 |
| mugsie | I think we may be better taking something like congress, and trying to integrate with something like OPA - which would allow people to use the same lanuage to write policy for k8s and openstack (among other tools) | 15:23 |
| ttx | mugsie: probably. Should we care ? Not really. We're not killing it. Just not caring about it | 15:23 |
| mugsie | ttx: +100 | 15:23 |
| gmann | do we have process define for maintenance/freeze/deprecation mode for projects before retire? | 15:25 |
| gmann | or should we define one? | 15:25 |
| ttx | We keep it on Opendev... if a strong community reforms around it, I'll gladly reconsider making it an integral part of openstack. But artificially keeping it alive under medical assistance and burning out community members doing it, not really | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | ttx: +1 | 15:27 |
| gmann | ok keeping it under opendev also works for giving user enough time to come up. | 15:27 |
| TheJulia | ttx: actually, +100 | 15:27 |
| TheJulia | err +1000 | 15:27 |
| TheJulia | we cannot put more burden on contributors. Period. End of story. | 15:27 |
| zaneb | https://gph.is/RI2vas | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | I think we all agree on that | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | if nobody is pulling the plug I will propose the patch today | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | pulling the plug before me* | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | ttx: oslo+requirements? | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: releases + requirements ? :p | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | + stable ofc | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | release+requirements+stable makes sense to me. | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | cinder+manila(+swift?) | 15:47 |
| gmann | I will say to wait for no maintainer situation or if any teams request explicitly about merge. If teams are able to maintain the workload till now then let them keep going. | 15:50 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: re: requirements+oslo, I was thinking a group that works on common code and convergence | 16:12 |
| ttx | I agree that the nature of the work is more relmgt-like | 16:12 |
| ttx | relmgt+stable is probably a thing already, now that stable is a ghost SIG | 16:13 |
| ttx | We should definitely fold #openstack-stable into #openstack-release | 16:14 |
| ttx | although IRC is not very folding-friendly | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Can we use the redirect like the -unregistered mechanism to send people over to the right place? | 16:24 |
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| fungi | we have documentation on how to forward one channel to another, just a sec | 16:37 |
| fungi | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#renaming-an-irc-channel | 16:38 |
| fungi | that's about renaming, but combining is basically the same process you've just already created the "new" channel so can skip the first steps | 16:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Add new repository documentation https://review.opendev.org/712534 | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Add some repository documentation https://review.opendev.org/712534 | 19:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Add some repository documentation https://review.opendev.org/712534 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Add some repository documentation https://review.opendev.org/712534 | 19:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Add some repository documentation https://review.opendev.org/712534 | 20:12 |
| evrardjp | well I didn't get the chance to propose a patch today, maybe I will be luckier tomorrow | 22:26 |
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