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| evrardjp | o/ | 08:54 |
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| ttx | o/ | 09:03 |
| ttx | how quickly are we expecting openstack-on-py2 to stop working once we stop gating on it? | 09:06 |
| ttx | days, weeks, months or years? | 09:07 |
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| evrardjp | good question | 09:23 |
| evrardjp | I guess if oslo removes support now, it will accelerate the breaking speed. | 09:25 |
| evrardjp | ttx: why the question? | 09:26 |
| tosky | I think oslo can't do it until r2, if I remember the schedule | 09:28 |
| evrardjp | I am not saying that it should | 09:30 |
| evrardjp | when this happens it will probably accelerate the breaking, which means that it's more likely a months thing than a year thing | 09:31 |
| evrardjp | though I have no facts to confirm that | 09:31 |
| ttx | evrardjp: mostly curious. If we expect it to hold for years the pressure on bumping major version number for everything is slightly less | 09:32 |
| ttx | Was also wondering if anyone was holding on using py3-only things | 09:33 |
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| evrardjp | I sure hope not | 09:59 |
| evrardjp | I mean we are doing this to help innovation, no reason to push on the brakes | 09:59 |
| evrardjp | (and also supportability, yes) | 10:00 |
| tosky | we are still merging the patches to remove py2 support, I personally think it does not make sense to start ripping out py2-specific code until the stabilization post-r2 | 10:11 |
| tosky | there are people in the cinder community eagerly waiting to remove six | 10:12 |
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| evrardjp | diablo_rojo: Can you refresh your vote on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/695071/ ? | 13:05 |
| evrardjp | tosky: I would tend to agree with you, but I also don't want to set a policy too strong on projects. A strong no rip out py2 policy could have a negative effect: discouraging projects to try innovative things and take charge of their destiny. That's not a policy I would like to see. | 13:08 |
| tosky | I never advocate for restricting :) | 13:08 |
| evrardjp | :) | 13:09 |
| njohnston | o/ | 13:09 |
| evrardjp | it's a balance, and who else than the projects can evaluate? | 13:09 |
| tosky | my point is that removing code before r2, when clients and libraries are supposed (if I remember correctly) to drop py2, is probably not really wise | 13:09 |
| evrardjp | got it | 13:09 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 13:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maciej Józefczyk proposed openstack/governance master: Add octavia-ovn-provider project https://review.opendev.org/697095 | 14:21 |
| ricolin | o/ | 14:22 |
| fungi | if past experience is any indication, as soon as we stop testing things they pretty much instantly break | 14:23 |
| zaneb | yes | 14:24 |
| fungi | when nova first tried to remove their python2 testing they also managed to merge an unrelated change to their python packaging metadata to make it no longer installable at all with python2 | 14:24 |
| zaneb | also, python 3 is awesome and people will want to start using its features | 14:24 |
| fungi | so, taking nova as an example, these things sometimes even unintentionally get broken in the *exact same* change which removes the testing | 14:25 |
| zaneb | there are already patches up to remove six from Heat (and not from a regular Heat developer). I'd expect similar things to happen in other projects (including libraries after u-2) | 14:25 |
| gmann | also as part of py2, project will cleanup the py2-only requirement even they do not cleanup the code. | 14:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Clean up badge generation code https://review.opendev.org/695906 | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Always place base badges first https://review.opendev.org/695907 | 15:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update base badges https://review.opendev.org/695908 | 15:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Sort tag badges alphabetically https://review.opendev.org/695909 | 15:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add an OpenStack logo to the badge list https://review.opendev.org/695910 | 15:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire neutron-interconnection from openstack/ https://review.opendev.org/694480 | 15:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Remove storage scope from Kuryr project mission https://review.opendev.org/695530 | 15:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: Add ansible-collections-openstack to openstacksdk https://review.opendev.org/684740 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: Add ansible-collections-openstack to ansible-sig https://review.opendev.org/684740 | 15:21 |
| mnaser | are we meeting this week? | 15:24 |
| mnaser | o/ fungi: do you happen to have time to progress on this patch? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678426/ :> | 15:25 |
| fungi | mnaser: yeah, i was planning to update and un-wip it now that the summit is behind us | 15:27 |
| fungi | thanks for the reminder | 15:27 |
| mnaser | fungi: no worries, im sure you have many hats you're juggling :) | 15:27 |
| mnaser | i was just going through our patch history, i have one sitting for 5 months so i ain't better ;) | 15:27 |
| fungi | yeah, i wanted plenty of time to get input from the other vmt members and broader community, and then it was too close to release/summit so preferred to introduce it early in this cycle instead | 15:29 |
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| evrardjp | I should indeed write an email for the reminder to meet. | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | We are back to a more or less normal schedule, though we should probably move the one in January | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | I intended to talk about our backlog -- the existing patches, and what we discussed during the summit. | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | though I realise that it's a little late for the warning to add new topics | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | do you want to postpone it mnaser to next week, so we have time to gather extra topics? | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | tc-members: Could you vote on next meeting dates ? https://framadate.org/MiXk7v2647G3uMV6 and https://framadate.org/iZ3uEjqCYltfzSeH | 16:38 |
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| evrardjp | (december and january) | 16:39 |
| evrardjp | I will check the results tomorrow to decide for december | 16:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/election master: Fix get_series_data https://review.opendev.org/697193 | 22:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/election master: Fix get_series_data https://review.opendev.org/697193 | 22:41 |
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