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| openstackgerrit | pangliye proposed openstack/election master: Fix misspell word https://review.opendev.org/694889 | 02:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | inspurericzhang proposed openstack/election master: Replace git.openstack.org with opendev.org https://review.opendev.org/694913 | 07:27 |
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| asettle | o/ | 08:09 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 08:55 |
| ttx | o/ | 09:00 |
| ttx | tc-members: reminder that we'll have a OSF community newsletter this week... if there is anythign you'd like to see there, please suggest at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news | 09:01 |
| ttx | I'll collect them in a few hours | 09:01 |
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| evrardjp | thanks ttx | 09:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: New charm for manila-ganesha https://review.opendev.org/693463 | 09:09 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 09:54 |
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| ricolin | evrardjp, I think this patch is ready :) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657142 | 09:55 |
| evrardjp | yeah I so want to merge this so we can stop talking about it | 09:56 |
| ricolin | ttx any ideal deadline for suggest news on OSF community newsletter? | 09:56 |
| evrardjp | technically the last patch wasn't there for a week | 09:57 |
| evrardjp | ricolin: I think he said today | 09:57 |
| evrardjp | what did you have in mind? | 09:57 |
| ttx | yeah today ideally | 09:58 |
| ttx | The "V for Vendetta" thread shows that opening up the criteria is probably the right move. | 09:59 |
| ttx | (not for V but for the future) | 10:00 |
| ricolin | evrardjp, the SIG is already formed by https://review.opendev.org/#/c/691277/, this patch just sign those repo to SIG. This won't change much of current structure IMO. Only one thing that Zane mentioned, about release team will be given commit rights to openstack-manuals repo | 10:08 |
| ricolin | might need some clarify | 10:10 |
| ricolin | but with or without, I think it's ready to land | 10:10 |
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| evrardjp | ttx: :) | 10:26 |
| evrardjp | ricolin: that might be good for our tc/community updates | 10:27 |
| evrardjp | not sure if that's required for the foundation newsletter | 10:27 |
| evrardjp | ttx: for the newsletter, maybe links to some summit recaps? | 10:28 |
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| ttx | evrardjp: yes sounds like a good idea. There is shanghai recap article, maybe we can add those links in | 10:46 |
| ttx | Also I think mentioning Slawek's call for maintainer on -fwaas, -vpnaas etc. would be good | 10:47 |
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| evrardjp | yeah good idea | 10:57 |
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| gmann | tc-members: FYI. devstack needs to move to py3 by default today to proceed the py2 drop work - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-November/010938.html | 16:43 |
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| fungi | thanks for highlighting! | 18:13 |
| fungi | the tight entanglement of projects in integration test jobs makes this a complicated transition | 18:13 |
| gmann | yeah, transition with default configuration of py2 on devstack is hard. | 18:22 |
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| clarkb | fwiw we likely would have caught this a bit better if we hadn't removed the comon integration job | 19:24 |
| clarkb | because we would have had to coordinate around that point | 19:24 |
| gmann | but projects will be removing all the py2 common or project specific jobs in same patch of dropping py2 so it is hard to check the cross projects gate break. | 19:31 |
| clarkb | gmann: correct, but if we had a common integration job we would be able to prevent switching things there until we were ready | 19:34 |
| clarkb | that would effectively keep devstack working | 19:35 |
| clarkb | which is what we lacked here | 19:35 |
| gmann | ohk, something like sanity job doing only installation of all the services and lib ? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I was thinking more of our previous integartion job that ran a base set of tempest jobs across the services | 19:37 |
| clarkb | but we don't have that anymore. AIUI every project now defines their own tempest jobs and uses those intest | 19:38 |
| clarkb | s/intest/instead/ | 19:38 |
| clarkb | which means they can be updated independently producing this result | 19:38 |
| clarkb | a central job would need to accomodate the needs of the group | 19:38 |
| gmann | yeah but those current integration jobs still have all their dependency | 19:38 |
| clarkb | doesn't matter since you can override at the leaves | 19:39 |
| clarkb | which is how nova must've managed to get this through | 19:39 |
| gmann | no, those jobs are defined in tempest not in project tree. so projects cannot adjust those to pass the gate | 19:39 |
| clarkb | isn't that what happened here? nova updated their jobs to be python3 only and then removed python2 support (then everyone else with their own jobs that are python2 broke) | 19:40 |
| gmann | our old integration job tempest-full etc also have only 6 services enabled. | 19:40 |
| clarkb | if we had kept our common python2 and python3 integration job this would have been avoided | 19:40 |
| clarkb | then remove the common python2 integration job once involved parties are ready | 19:41 |
| gmann | well, if we keep some or single py2 job then projects has to update twice to complete the py2 drop work. | 19:42 |
| clarkb | if you aren't removing python2 atomically that is a requirement anyway | 19:43 |
| gmann | we could say default services (in devstack) to drop at the end | 19:43 |
| clarkb | (I guess that is what this comes down to. Either we attempt to remove things semi atomically and have a fire drill period where we battle through the fires or we try to do it in a coordinated fashion via common integration testing. | 19:44 |
| fungi | i expect part of the problem is that devstack behavior is being altered by in-project changes, so nova can successfully alter the way their job runs independently of other projects, and then break it for everyone who isn't similarly altering the job behavior | 19:44 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup exactly. Common integration jobs wouldn't allow that to happen without a central update | 19:44 |
| clarkb | makes it easier to catch and address | 19:45 |
| fungi | well, common integration jobs which don't respect in-project configuration | 19:46 |
| gmann | but that might not catch everything, say common integration job only care about 6 services only and rest other services using nova still un-catch-able | 19:48 |
| gmann | for example sahara or congress etc | 19:48 |
| fungi | but if most projects don't add sahara or congress then it's less critical | 19:49 |
| fungi | because if only sahara's jobs install sahara then sahara can only break itself | 19:49 |
| gmann | no, i mean nova dropping py27 break them and other zuul jobs installing nova on py2 | 19:49 |
| gmann | how nova make sure all those such projects no more required nova on py2 | 19:50 |
| gmann | devstack default services (in sequence or at the same time) to drop at the end of all other services is something we missed in planning. | 19:51 |
| gmann | rest all causing other gate failure will be less set of break. | 19:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Release names should be decided by the Technical Committee https://review.opendev.org/695071 | 19:59 |
| fungi | yeah, i think the idea used to be that if projects didn't want nova changes to break them, they needed to be included in devstack by default so they were exercised with proposed changes for nova | 20:06 |
| fungi | of course that doesn't scale indefinitely | 20:07 |
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