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| ttx | I agree with mnaser | 07:47 |
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| asettle | Yeah I can agree on the purpose of the vice chair | 08:34 |
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| ttx | evrardjp: regarding your 'meet the TC' activity, I had a response | 09:23 |
| ttx | If we are tied to Wednesday, lunch is probably the best option | 09:24 |
| ttx | 10 tables is probably a lot to hold... maybe meet and greet style in a designated area is easier | 09:24 |
| ttx | The Mixer option would be on the Monday | 09:25 |
| ttx | and same there, designated area is probably the simplest | 09:25 |
| ttx | Maybe we could do table tents for visibility | 09:26 |
| evrardjp | good news! | 09:27 |
| evrardjp | yeah 10 tables was 1 per tc member | 09:27 |
| evrardjp | I said it was ideal, not required :) | 09:27 |
| evrardjp | ttx: Can we do both? | 09:27 |
| evrardjp | like something for the mixer AND keeping some tables for lunch? | 09:28 |
| ttx | Sure, I can suggest that. Block a designated area at teh Monday mixer and the Wednesday lunch. Reusing the same tabletent-things to mark territory | 09:28 |
| evrardjp | yup that sounds good | 09:29 |
| evrardjp | Maybe we can extend that to non openstack projects like airship | 09:30 |
| evrardjp | but at least it would be a good start ;) | 09:30 |
| ttx | OK, let me throw that and see if it sticks | 09:32 |
| evrardjp | thanks, awesome! :) | 09:33 |
| evrardjp | ttx: but it's not "your 'meet the TC'" -- I merely send an email -- it was our "meet the TC", and proposed by asettle. Credit back where it's due :) | 09:45 |
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| asettle | evrardjp, <3 :p | 09:50 |
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| evrardjp | hey folks, I just received an email from Alan from the board -- we'll have, as usual, some time to discuss TC things/progress with the board. This time it's not the sunday before the summit, but the 3 november. | 10:51 |
| evrardjp | at the next summit* | 10:52 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: would you mind if we prepare the agenda together ? | 10:52 |
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| fungi | evrardjp: november 3 *is* the sunday before the summit, isn't it? | 11:20 |
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| evrardjp | oh pbekac at reading my agenda. Ofc I was checking december. | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/governance master: Add Goal Champions investment opportunity for 2019 https://review.opendev.org/680985 | 11:24 |
| gmann | An alternate dedicated person as vice chair is always good but if we make it a mandatory in TC leadership then it is something I feel extra mandatory requirement. If there are volunteer it will go in same way. But if we do not have any volunteer in any cycle then can skip and let chair do the leadership with few dynamic assignments. | 11:29 |
| gmann | we have 13 responsible TC to serve on all TC requirements and responsibilities so I do not think making vice chair as optional will create any gap in TC working or point of contact. | 11:31 |
| mugsie | I don't think it should be optional, it is a low impact role for most of the time. it is important to have someone who knows they may have to stand up if the chair wins the lottery, and goes on a world tour in a sailboat | 11:33 |
| fungi | also if something happens to the tc chair in such a way that they don't have time/opportunity to specify who they're ad hoc delegating to be their backup point of contact | 11:35 |
| gmann | but that can be done by anyone who is assigned to do so in chair absence | 11:35 |
| fungi | how is that any different from a vice chair? is it just that it needs a different word to make it less intimidating? | 11:35 |
| mugsie | just putting it out there, if I was TC Chair and won the lottery, I may not think about appointing someone as vice chair, before chartering a plane to vegas | 11:35 |
| mugsie | I don't think we need to worry about this - if there is a situation where there is no one willing to step up, the TC at that time can decide they don't need someone | 11:36 |
| mugsie | and then they can propose this patch | 11:37 |
| gmann | that will be dynamic assignment than selecting a vice chair when people do not want to be. | 11:37 |
| gmann | if any volunteer is there then there is no issue we can have vice chair. | 11:37 |
| mugsie | gmann: if the chair cannot assign the job to anyone, what do we do? | 11:37 |
| fungi | i too am curious why the urgency on "fixing" this, when there was a willing volunteer to serve as the vice chair immediately when the newly-elected chair asked for one | 11:38 |
| gmann | well we have enough number of TC to keep it working smoothly | 11:38 |
| mugsie | if anything this should be something we encourage (the the CNCF / k8s teams do, with the shadows for chair / lead positions), not avoid | 11:38 |
| mugsie | as it can allow for the burden of the chair role to be decreased, and if someone is interested in being chair in the future, they can shadow the current chair | 11:39 |
| fungi | it also seems like something which can be addressed by the tc fairly easily via a similar charter change in the future if they actually do encounter a cycle where nobody is willing to volunteer for vice chair | 11:40 |
| mugsie | ++ | 11:40 |
| gmann | I think we are thinking about too much management here over self responsible TCs :) | 11:40 |
| fungi | at this point it seems like the governance equivalent of "premature optimization" | 11:40 |
| gmann | we almost had the same situation in this cycle when evrardjp keep asking for vice chair many times | 11:41 |
| fungi | many times? there was a volunteer almost immediately | 11:41 |
| mugsie | he asked once | 11:41 |
| fungi | and more than 24 hours before you pushed 683794 up for review | 11:42 |
| gmann | humm, not sure i read that he asked many times but may be my over reading. | 11:43 |
| asettle | I mean, he mentioned it when he was first elected, and then he asked last week. | 11:47 |
| asettle | But Rico was ready to step up, and in fairness, I would have been happy to do it again if nobody else wanted to do it :) | 11:47 |
| mugsie | yeah, I was going to ping him, but rico beat me to the punch :) | 11:48 |
| evrardjp | fungi: agreed with you, there are volunteers for this :) | 11:59 |
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| evrardjp | so the official stance I had was to make sure everyone that wanted to be vice-chair would show themselves, and all the volunteers discuss with each other. I wanted to make a patch at exactly one week time, which is Thursday. | 12:01 |
| evrardjp | I don't want to _restrict_ people at learning the chair/vice-chair work :) | 12:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/governance master: Add community infra investment opportunity for 2019 https://review.opendev.org/681260 | 12:02 |
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| evrardjp | sed 's/restrict/prevent/' | 12:03 |
| evrardjp | I have an idea. I will propose Rico as vice-chair, and if there are more ppl interested, they can discuss this with me, and we'll do the necessary :) | 12:11 |
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| cloudnull | mornings | 14:23 |
| asettle | o/ | 14:23 |
| mugsie | o/ | 14:24 |
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| evrardjp | mornings | 14:32 |
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| mnaser | spending time at the ansible contributors summit | 15:31 |
| mnaser | i'm really proud of our community and how we follow the four opens.. | 15:32 |
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| asettle | mnaser, particular context? :) | 15:45 |
| fungi | i'm learning a lot about how reactive communities for company-driven open source products work | 15:46 |
| fungi | single-company-driven that is | 15:47 |
| fungi | lots of surprise and apprehension from the community when the internally-designed roadmap gets communicated to them | 15:47 |
| asettle | Huh interesting | 15:52 |
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| mnaser | yeah what fungi mentioned pretty much | 17:29 |
| cmurphy | sounds like puppetconf | 17:32 |
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