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| asettle | Did I miss an announcement that next summit is in Vancouver? | 09:35 |
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| mugsie | asettle: it went to the foundation mailing list I think | 09:58 |
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| jroll | asettle: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2019-September/002794.html | 11:18 |
| asettle | Wow I did miss that | 11:19 |
| asettle | Thanks! | 11:19 |
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| amotoki | hi, is there any agreement on dropping python 2.7 support in Ussuri in TC? | 11:44 |
| amotoki | The horizon team is now thinking to include a notice on dropping python2.7 and django 1.11 supports in Ussuri in the Train release note https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682002/ | 11:44 |
| amotoki | we would like to sync the community for python 2.7 support, so I would like to check whether this notice in horizon relnote sounds reasonable or not. | 11:45 |
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| amotoki | or is python27 support in Ussuri up to individual teams? | 11:46 |
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| amotoki | note that I am aware of a patch to declare testing runtime requirements in Ussuri. according to this, python2.7 is not a requirement. | 11:47 |
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| evrardjp | amotoki: the ussuri runtimes decision is still worked on | 11:54 |
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| evrardjp | when https://review.opendev.org/#/c/679798 merges, we can say that the project has to run python3.6/3.7 and can decide whatever extra it requires. So yes, you could drop python27 if you like (assuming it merges) | 11:55 |
| evrardjp | I would personally encourage you to do it :p | 11:55 |
| asettle | ttx evrardjp - with regards to the most recent name releasing vote, are we abandoning patches such as: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677746/ | 11:57 |
| asettle | Also, I think this is a good exapmle of a patch that doesn't require the entire team to vote: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682737/ | 11:58 |
| asettle | Any objections, tc-members ? | 11:59 |
| jroll | asettle: feels like a typo-fix to me (the topic in the doc is incorrect) | 12:00 |
| jroll | (so yes, I agree) | 12:00 |
| asettle | jroll, I used documentation-change because he's actually changing the topic, not fixing a typo? | 12:01 |
| asettle | Let me double check house rules on that one | 12:01 |
| jroll | actually, it doesn't matter, I misread the house rules | 12:01 |
| asettle | I'd say you're probably right there :) thanks for mentioning it | 12:01 |
| jroll | docs changes are 2x RC+1 | 12:01 |
| jroll | > follow the normal code review rules (with RollCall votes being considered +-2): change will be approved once 2 RollCall+1 (other than the change owner) are posted (and no RollCall-1). | 12:02 |
| asettle | Cool, we can go ahead with that one then? | 12:02 |
| jroll | yes, it meets these requirements | 12:02 |
| asettle | Cool +W | 12:02 |
| jroll | ta | 12:02 |
| asettle | Easy okay | 12:05 |
| asettle | OKAY the other thing about the release naming stuff | 12:05 |
| asettle | Also jroll you're up SO early these dyas | 12:05 |
| jroll | it's like 8am? | 12:06 |
| jroll | lol | 12:06 |
| asettle | As I said | 12:06 |
| jroll | I used to start work earlier :P | 12:06 |
| asettle | o.0 | 12:06 |
| asettle | WHy would you do that | 12:06 |
| jroll | but also, being able to leave early on friday ftw | 12:06 |
| asettle | Ya that true | 12:06 |
| jroll | I like mornings | 12:06 |
| jroll | and I love coffee | 12:06 |
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| asettle | jroll, all those are good things for morning poeple | 12:11 |
| asettle | I guess I've only ever hung out with you in the evening | 12:11 |
| asettle | Making the ERRONEOUS assumption you partake in evening activities | 12:12 |
| jroll | I do! | 12:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Corret the IPv6 gerrit topic https://review.opendev.org/682737 | 12:13 |
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| asettle | jroll, so you do both | 12:30 |
| asettle | Huh | 12:30 |
| asettle | You're one of ~those~ | 12:30 |
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| jroll | ehh, I do evening activities but rarely night activites :P | 12:38 |
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| mnaser | I thought we agreed that were only merging fast tracked patches for TC members? | 12:39 |
| mugsie | mnaser: thats not what I wrote - I was assuming it was fast tracked patches in general | 12:44 |
| mnaser | Oh, I thought we were talking about the ability to help land fast tracked changes into the governance repos | 12:47 |
| mnaser | Those that are time sensitive and would break the usual voting rules | 12:47 |
| asettle | I had the same impression mugsie did | 12:49 |
| asettle | :/ | 12:49 |
| asettle | Besides, in the cases where I have approved 2 patches above, I was enabled to do so pre-fast track changes. | 12:49 |
| asettle | But we should clarify with everyone :) | 12:50 |
| mugsie | no, it was about unblocking a minor typo from needing the chair to +W | 12:50 |
| asettle | ^^ | 12:50 |
| mugsie | the chair still needs to +W any formal-vote | 12:51 |
| mnaser | yeah i guess the tricky thing was who makes the call if its formal-vote vs doc-change | 12:51 |
| mnaser | its a very weird/thin line sometimes | 12:51 |
| asettle | Hmm that's fair. I think in this case: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682737/ | 12:51 |
| asettle | To me, clearly documentation. This wasn't altering the content, it was updating the gerrit topic to be appropriate to what gmann was using | 12:52 |
| mnaser | yeah that case is totally fine because it doesnt impact the community, just gmann's work | 12:52 |
| asettle | Suitable that it was +W'd and moved on | 12:52 |
| asettle | Yep cool | 12:52 |
| mnaser | this was me scrolling through IRC on my phone at 8am | 12:52 |
| mnaser | the tricky ones are like | 12:52 |
| mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/680407/ | 12:52 |
| mugsie | if someone disagrees, we can (and documented that we shopuld) do a quick revert | 12:52 |
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| asettle | Yeah I can see that. | 12:52 |
| asettle | But yeah, we do have revert options | 12:52 |
| mnaser | which doesnt really feel like a doc-change for example because it does have global community impact, but anyways | 12:52 |
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| asettle | Enjoy your covfefe | 12:53 |
| mnaser | thanks alex apple | 12:53 |
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| asettle | alex apple?! :p | 12:55 |
| mnaser | idk tim apple but i couldnt come with a better reference | 12:56 |
| asettle | HAHA | 12:56 |
| asettle | <3 bless | 12:56 |
| asettle | Drink your coffee | 12:56 |
| mugsie | alex chameleon | 12:56 |
| mnaser | alex suse | 12:56 |
| asettle | mugsie, dude that better not be a suse thing | 12:56 |
| asettle | ugh | 12:56 |
| mnaser | sorry i do tea | 12:56 |
| asettle | You both disgust me | 12:56 |
| asettle | mnaser, same same really | 12:57 |
| asettle | bean juice, leaf juice | 12:57 |
| * mugsie crie | 12:57 | |
| * mugsie cries* | 12:57 | |
| asettle | No, please crie mugsie | 12:57 |
| mugsie | http://replygif.net/i/127.gif | 12:57 |
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| asettle | Ugh David <3 you sexy bastard | 12:58 |
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| evrardjp | hey everyone | 13:10 |
| asettle | o/ | 13:10 |
| evrardjp | thanks asettle for cleaning up things -- I was checking the backlog a little earlier, didn't get to those | 13:10 |
| asettle | Haven't done too much. But we need to either abandon or do something with the naming poll options evrardjp and mnaser - I leave that up to you guys to decide | 13:11 |
| asettle | Happy to go through and sweep up | 13:11 |
| asettle | And we should also get some of those PTL patches merged. | 13:12 |
| mugsie | asettle: they should be formal-vote | 13:12 |
| asettle | mugsie, indeed they are | 13:12 |
| asettle | It would just be nice to have those votes in | 13:13 |
| evrardjp | yeah for example winstackers has two options, appointing and dropping the team. It seems the consensus is going towards appointing, and drop the other patch. | 13:14 |
| evrardjp | I will run those magic commands | 13:14 |
| asettle | Quite. But the patch isn't merged, so I won't abandon the other one in case something happens | 13:14 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: btw I don't want us to be too formal about things that seem obvious -- even if the title is named formal-vote. Maybe it's because I don't fully realise the things yet. I just consider all of us working together | 13:15 |
| evrardjp | so you did good both you and asettle :) | 13:15 |
| evrardjp | asettle: I misunderstood something I thought you were drinking tea | 13:16 |
| asettle | I mean, I do drink a lot of tea. Just not in the morning :p | 13:16 |
| evrardjp | isn't that leaf juice? | 13:16 |
| evrardjp | haha | 13:16 |
| evrardjp | ok | 13:16 |
| asettle | Sure is ;0 | 13:16 |
| asettle | ;) * | 13:16 |
| evrardjp | I do chocolate! | 13:16 |
| evrardjp | found a chocolate beverage with no lactosis recently, I am just so addicted. | 13:17 |
| asettle | It's the little things | 13:17 |
| amotoki | evrardjp: thanks for the clarification on python runtimes. Considering the situation that the governance patch on runtime reqs is under review, I am hesitating to declare we will drop python 2.7 support in horizon Ussuri at this point. | 13:19 |
| evrardjp | amotoki: I would do it, because it's very likely to pass :p | 13:20 |
| evrardjp | about that, mugsie I think you have a -w on the PTI ussuri patch | 13:20 |
| evrardjp | amotoki: also keep in mind it was a because of release time of centos8 | 13:20 |
| evrardjp | which should also be settled now :) | 13:20 |
| amotoki | evrardjp: I see. | 13:21 |
| mugsie | evrardjp: not yet :) - we will see in 6 days | 13:22 |
| mugsie | but i can make that centos 7 again, and update to centos 8 if it ships | 13:22 |
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| evrardjp | amotoki: next to that, centos7.7 should also have py3 so that shouldn't be a problem for your decision methinks | 13:25 |
| evrardjp | (personal opinion ofc) | 13:26 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: assuming centos7, can we consider py3? | 13:26 |
| evrardjp | because 7.7 is out now, IIRC | 13:26 |
| amotoki | evrardjp: thanks. in case of horizon, perhaps python2.7 drop in ussuri does not matter. I just would like to avoid the situation that only horizon declares the drop of py27 support in "Train" relnotes. | 13:27 |
| evrardjp | well I expect you don't drop for train, but for "after" train ;) | 13:29 |
| evrardjp | but personally I don't see a situation if only horizon declares to drop this -- We need someone to start things, and I like your idea of going forward :) | 13:30 |
| amotoki | evrardjp: yeah, you are right. I just suggested to rephrase it to "it is expected to be the last release ...." in the horizon relnote, so it would be not a matter. | 13:30 |
| evrardjp | I sure hope others would follow :) | 13:31 |
| evrardjp | clever! :) | 13:31 |
| amotoki | :) | 13:32 |
| mugsie | evrardjp: I think so, they say it is in there | 13:36 |
| mugsie | if it doesn't work it doesn't work, but thats a centos issue | 13:36 |
| evrardjp | haha :) | 13:37 |
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| * jungleboyj is just noticing I was supposed to be in office hours Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. | 15:21 | |
| * jungleboyj is not off to a good start. | 15:21 | |
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| asettle | jungleboyj, happens man :) | 15:30 |
| asettle | Have you got tc-members highlighted? | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: Thanks, I now have it on my calendar. | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: What do you mean? | 15:30 |
| mugsie | jungleboyj: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/calendars/technical-committee-office-hours.ics is handy | 15:31 |
| jungleboyj | mugsie: Yep. Thanks. | 15:31 |
| asettle | jungleboyj, add "tc-members" as a notification/highlight to your client. We use it as a way to ping the tc-members | 15:31 |
| asettle | CC njohnston|lunch and cloudnull ^^ | 15:31 |
| asettle | I know Kendall is away atm | 15:31 |
| mugsie | think of it like an @channel / @everyone for the TC | 15:32 |
| asettle | Aye that | 15:32 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, nice. I will add that now. | 15:33 |
| asettle | Did we not have this documented somewhere, mugsie ? | 15:34 |
| asettle | Or did someone tell me this... | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | I think I have it set now. | 15:34 |
| mugsie | I just went looking | 15:34 |
| mugsie | I dont think so | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | I didn't see it anywhere. :-) Then again, I haven't looked that close yet. | 15:35 |
| asettle | Yeah huh, neither | 15:35 |
| asettle | WEird. Someone must have told me | 15:35 |
| asettle | Might update somewhere | 15:35 |
| asettle | We have a "you've become a PTL" doc, do we have "you've joined the TC" doc? | 15:35 |
| fungi | http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=tc-members | 15:35 |
| fungi | yeah, it could stand to be documented *somewhere* | 15:36 |
| mugsie | yeh, it should be | 15:36 |
| asettle | fungi, now I think about it, dhellmann emailed us when we joined as a chair duty. | 15:36 |
| asettle | I could copy his email into a doc somewhere | 15:36 |
| asettle | So we have it for future ref | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | evrardjp: Did give me a quick orientation last night. | 15:37 |
| asettle | Oh that's good :) | 15:38 |
| asettle | Okay, well, let me go source this email and add it to... governance or the project team guide? | 15:38 |
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| mugsie | governance? | 15:39 |
| asettle | Would make sense. Anyone opposed tc-members ? | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | nope that would be nice, maybe under CHAIR.rst | 15:39 |
| zaneb | anything to stop the pings ;) | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | as I am not sure it interests the community as a whole, but still like the transparency | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Probably be good to add under Reference documents or even a new subsection on https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | 15:40 |
| asettle | zaneb I'll make your pings special from now on | 15:40 |
| asettle | smcginnis, reference seems good | 15:40 |
| fungi | is there a section on remembering to disable the highlight on that string when you take a sabbatical? ;) | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Randomly mention zaneb from time to time. :P | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | fungi: :) | 15:40 |
| mugsie | smcginnis: ++ | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | tc-members is good. It appears my settings are working as it was highlighted. | 15:40 |
| asettle | fungi, i'll be sure to add one :P | 15:41 |
| asettle | zaneb, hey | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | what do you smcginnis, like just naked pings to zaneb? | 15:41 |
| asettle | jungleboyj, congrats | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | :D | 15:41 |
| asettle | zaneb, hi | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | hahahahahah | 15:41 |
| asettle | I hope his sound is on | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | I know someone who will kill us soon | 15:41 |
| asettle | is it zaneb ? | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | hahahaha | 15:41 |
| zaneb | god no | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | I think everyone is in a good Friday mood today. :) | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | I called it | 15:41 |
| asettle | OKay i'll stop I'm going to go find a spot for this | 15:41 |
| asettle | smcginnis, certainly are! | 15:41 |
| jungleboyj | A good Friday mood is a good thing. It has been a long week. | 15:42 |
| * mugsie made the mistake once of letting the designate team know he had push IRC notifications enabled to his watch | 15:42 | |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: do you still have them? | 15:42 |
| asettle | mugsie, dude you're an idiot | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | what's the trigger? | 15:42 |
| zaneb | lol mugsie | 15:42 |
| mugsie | evrardjp: no, asettle yes | 15:42 |
| fungi | yet one more reason i'm glad i don't wear a watch | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | mugsie: Can you set it up to notify zaneb? | 15:42 |
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| mugsie | sounds dooable | 15:43 |
| mugsie | :D | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | fungi: there are watches that don't send notifications you know? | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: :D | 15:43 |
| mugsie | evrardjp: what? | 15:43 |
| jungleboyj | I have them on my watch. Only way to get my attention sometimes. | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | jungleboyj: jungleboyj jungleboyj | 15:43 |
| mugsie | dumb watches? I don;t understand | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: for realsies | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | there are ppl still buying those | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | with things that move in it | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | crazy | 15:44 |
| jungleboyj | evrardjp: :-p | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | (technically electrons move too, and let's not go down that route I guess?) | 15:44 |
| fungi | i'm still clinging to a phone that doesn't pester me (in part because i leave the battery out of it most of the time) | 15:45 |
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| evrardjp | fungi: do you have a phone line? | 15:45 |
| fungi | nah | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | darn I was planning if you switch the phone off when home because phone line is enough. | 15:45 |
| fungi | 99% of the calls i get are scams and telemarketing anyway, so i'm just as happy not to be bothered | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | oh yeah I was told it's a big problem in us | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | asettle: do you still have that email somewhere ? | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | I think I didn't speak about liaisons with the new ppl yet so I was wondering if it's innit | 15:47 |
| asettle | evrardjp, found it. I'm about to push a patch up | 15:48 |
| asettle | Then we can iterate and add more as we see fit | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | cool | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | thanks | 15:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Remove reference to wiki for liaisons https://review.opendev.org/683430 | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | just a reminder for those who didn't see it before because I probably did a ping but the notifications were maybe not set at that time... | 15:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Adding info sheet on joining the TC https://review.opendev.org/683432 | 15:50 |
| asettle | tc-members ^^ time to add your thoughts | 15:50 |
| evrardjp | tc-members: If you're interested by being vice-chair, I will write a patch next week thursday. Tell me if you're interested by then, else I randomly pick someone! :D | 15:51 |
| jungleboyj | That sounds like a threat. ;-) | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | no, a treat! | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | because I love sharing food drinks and patchsets | 15:51 |
| asettle | Christ | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | Oh god, sorry it's friday | 15:52 |
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| * jungleboyj is laughing | 15:53 | |
| evrardjp | For one moment I was a sad puppy you know | 15:53 |
| * jungleboyj is happy to be working with this group | 15:53 | |
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| evrardjp | that's good to hear, let's hope everybody will be :) | 15:54 |
| jamesmcarthur | hi tc channel. Can one of y'all remind me who volunteered from the TC to be on teh Forum Selection Committee? | 15:55 |
| asettle | jamesmcarthur, me and jroll | 15:57 |
| jamesmcarthur | asettle: danke! | 15:57 |
| asettle | Good suggestion smcginnis | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Adding info sheet on joining the TC https://review.opendev.org/683432 | 16:24 |
| evrardjp | jungleboyj: doesn't post tc election process sound like PTSD? | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | He he. | 16:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Adding info sheet on joining the TC https://review.opendev.org/683432 | 16:26 |
| jroll | re: evrardjp's vice-chair request, remember the vice-chair position gets a 50% salary increase in their TC paychecks | 17:03 |
| evrardjp | oh, I wasn't aware of that! Nice! | 17:06 |
| evrardjp | ;) | 17:06 |
| jroll | :) | 17:07 |
| jungleboyj | 0.50 x 0 == NULL 💥 | 17:07 |
| evrardjp | jungleboyj: don't tell the secrets! | 17:07 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 17:07 |
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| ricolin | evrardjp, I'm interested to run for vice chair, so put my name on the candidate list:) | 17:30 |
| evrardjp | woot, thanks! | 17:34 |
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| evrardjp | is there someone that started analysing the results of the OpenStack survey for the TC questions? | 17:54 |
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| TheJulia | jroll: wait?!? there is a TC paycheck?!?! ;) | 18:03 |
| fungi | yeah, but the international exchange rate for gerrit karma is not favorable | 18:04 |
| TheJulia | That explains everything | 18:05 |
| fungi | you can really only exchange it for facebook likes, twitter follows and github stars | 18:06 |
| evrardjp | that sounds awesome! | 18:09 |
| jroll | lol | 18:11 |
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| gmann | evrardjp: if no one is interested for vice chair, I suggest to skip that and in your absence you can assign the role dynamically. | 19:39 |
| fungi | sounds like there's already at least one volunteer though | 19:42 |
| gmann | ok. +1 | 19:44 |
| gmann | tc-members: evrardjp : we should merge all PTL appointment patches as all those satisfy the merge criteria now. | 19:46 |
| jungleboyj | Okie dokie. | 19:47 |
| njohnston | gmann: +1 | 20:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Include contributors to repos for SIGs in TC rolls https://review.opendev.org/683727 | 20:29 |
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