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| mnaser | o/ if anyone is around. :) | 01:00 |
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| EmilienM | mnaser: o/ what's up | 01:14 |
| mnaser | i guess we can have a french office hours :p | 01:14 |
| mnaser | i guess we can add (maybe) both centos 7.7 and centos 8 now for u runtimes given that we have dates (and we have 7.7 confirmed?) | 01:14 |
| mnaser | i dunno, did we have both 16.04 and 18.04 at some point? | 01:15 |
| EmilienM | what's the impact of this governance change? | 01:15 |
| EmilienM | what happens if it lands? | 01:15 |
| mnaser | from an openstack "upstream" pov, centos is not a supported OS | 01:16 |
| mnaser | its not like we ever ran CI on any of the other operating systems anyways.. | 01:16 |
| EmilienM | because no matter what happens, tripleo will deploy centos8 asap | 01:16 |
| EmilienM | (and certainly kolla too) | 01:16 |
| mnaser | right because i assume you've already ran it through its paces for a while | 01:16 |
| mnaser | that makes 2 upstream targets that run centos 8 which should be giving it enough testing coverage imho | 01:17 |
| mnaser | hoping OSA joins that too but it might be a little later | 01:17 |
| EmilienM | yeah i mean whatever | 01:17 |
| EmilienM | that's what we'll use | 01:17 |
| EmilienM | that's it | 01:17 |
| EmilienM | we are the first waiting really really hard for it | 01:18 |
| EmilienM | we have a ton of problems because we still have centos7 around | 01:18 |
| EmilienM | that will be "solved" (somehow) with the new centos | 01:18 |
| EmilienM | i honestly think there is no need to spend time on this patch | 01:19 |
| mnaser | imean i dont see the point of it anymore if we have concrete dates and itll be out | 01:20 |
| mnaser | so im hoping we'll just abandon | 01:20 |
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| fungi | i assumed it would be abandoned a week from now once there is a release... as the saying goes, don't count your chickens before they hatch | 02:04 |
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| zaneb | restoring a patch is one click. just saying | 02:35 |
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| asettle | o/ | 08:53 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 09:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Appointing Nicolas Bock as Designate PTL https://review.opendev.org/682878 | 11:58 |
| asettle | tc-members - Designate PTL has been appointed ^^ please review and approve as you see fit | 11:59 |
| mugsie | tc-members: so ... in funny news - we have a tie for the V->Z naming | 12:05 |
| mugsie | https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?num_winners=1&id=E_0a9abdadec887a6b&algorithm=beatpath | 12:05 |
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| mugsie | (using the pre defined algorithm https://governance.openstack.org/election/#election-system ) | 12:06 |
| * mnaser flips desk | 12:06 | |
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| mugsie | and the TC Chair is evrardjp - https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?num_winners=1&id=E_e6963bddd2f49d57&algorithm=beatpath | 12:06 |
| fungi | welcome to tc chairing evrardjp! | 12:07 |
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| asettle | Welcome to the chair position evrardjp ! | 12:18 |
| asettle | Thanks for everything you have done, mnaser :) | 12:18 |
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| asettle | So, mugsie what do we do about the tie? | 12:19 |
| mugsie | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TieBreaking | 12:19 |
| mnaser | No problem | 12:19 |
| mnaser | I'll make the ACL changes later today | 12:19 |
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| asettle | mugsie, oh good to know | 12:20 |
| asettle | mugsie, evrardjp is currently travelling. I've made him aware of his new responsibility in a series of not annoying at all text messages. | 12:20 |
| evrardjp | haha | 12:21 |
| evrardjp | thank you everyone | 12:21 |
| evrardjp | thanks mnaser for running too :) | 12:22 |
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| mugsie | congrats evrardjp - thanks mnaser for doing the thankless job | 12:22 |
| evrardjp | It was a very close race! | 12:23 |
| asettle | Sure was. | 12:23 |
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| jroll | nice, congrats evrardjp and thanks mnaser :) | 12:38 |
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| evrardjp | mugsie: indeed | 12:47 |
| evrardjp | jroll: ty | 12:47 |
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| evrardjp | At the next office hours (tomorrow), I would like to discuss the vice-chair and ... what I would like to achieve, starting with the first topic here https://github.com/openstack/election/blob/master/candidates/ussuri/TC/jean-philippe%40evrard.me#L29-L33 --> so if you have any opinion on the topic, don't hesitate to share :) | 13:07 |
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| asettle | Okay evrardjp | 13:08 |
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| evrardjp | I think next to the fact I would like to discuss what I want to achieve, it would be nice if you could also say how we all can help each others to achieve your goals | 13:12 |
| evrardjp | Maybe I should start by getting a translator :) | 13:13 |
| ricolin | congrats evrardjp. And thank you mnaser:) | 13:21 |
| asettle | evrardjp, sounds good. | 13:25 |
| ttx | woo! Congrats evrardjp ! | 13:35 |
| ttx | a tie in the naming systems really | 13:38 |
| ttx | tbh at this point I think that shows that the alternatives are not sufficiently compelling, if the best you can do is to tie with "keep things the same" | 13:39 |
| ttx | I'd support keeping things the same while trying to come up with a better alternative | 13:40 |
| ttx | rather than selecting the winner on a dice roll | 13:40 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure what you mean? | 13:40 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:40 |
| asettle | ttx, I could agree with that. | 13:43 |
| ttx | evrardjp: The naming system poll did not have any sufficiently compelling option to beat the "keep things the same" | 13:43 |
| ttx | I still think we need to change, but what is on the table right now is apparently not compelling enough | 13:43 |
| evrardjp | yup that was my understanding -- but it might be because of the scope, right? | 13:43 |
| ttx | So i"d support keeping things the same while we brainstorm something so good that it will actually beat "keep things the same" | 13:43 |
| evrardjp | We are talking about V-Z not A-next Z | 13:43 |
| evrardjp | ok | 13:44 |
| ttx | rather than roll a die to see if we switch. | 13:44 |
| evrardjp | I am fine with that. | 13:45 |
| gmann | congrats evrardjp and thanks a lot mnaser for serving as chair. | 13:45 |
| evrardjp | ttx: We can decide for A to next Z, that would leave us a few cycles to find out :) | 13:45 |
| gmann | ttx: +1 i agree to go with no change instead of dice roll | 13:46 |
| ttx | evrardjp: we'll have to do that anyway | 13:46 |
| ttx | There won't be two summits in 2020.. so the current system actually already fails, if taken literally. | 13:46 |
| ttx | yeah, thanks a lot for chairing Mohammed! Welcome to teh ex-chair club! It is cozy here | 13:48 |
| evrardjp | ttx: :) | 13:49 |
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| ttx | mnaser: now you can do like me and complain that things were better before. | 13:50 |
| ricolin | ttx where can I find information regarding summit plan in 2020? | 13:55 |
| ttx | ricolin: there was some information mentioned in the board meeting last week. more details should be announced this week. | 13:56 |
| ricolin | ttx got it thanks | 13:56 |
| fungi | mugsie: a related note about that tiebreaker, i reached out to the author ages ago asking for it to have some sort of license claimed... just be aware it's not really redistributable in its current state (possibly not even legally usable, but you can probably make the case that if someone is publishing source code they expect people to use it) | 14:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Update link for Auto-scaling SIG https://review.opendev.org/680769 | 14:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Sync Sphinx requirement https://review.opendev.org/674200 | 14:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Update Security SIG chair list and SIG description https://review.opendev.org/679844 | 14:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Update home-page https://review.opendev.org/630193 | 14:15 |
| mnaser | ttx: ha, "back in my days..." | 14:16 |
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| mnaser | all my outgoing chair tasks are done | 14:23 |
| * mnaser sits back and relaxes | 14:23 | |
| evrardjp | I read those two lines into one: "all my outgoing taxes are done" | 14:25 |
| evrardjp | As a follow up I was ready to ask about tips for incoming I guess? :p | 14:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/governance master: Add documentation owners investment opportunity for 2019 https://review.opendev.org/681480 | 15:09 |
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| ttx | evrardjp: dhellmann documented everything, we don't do any tips anymore | 16:08 |
| fungi | well, one tip: read that fine manual | 16:13 |
| asettle | Ha! | 16:14 |
| zaneb | congrats evrardjp and huge thanks mnaser for all your hard work! | 16:21 |
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| zaneb | tiebreaking on the naming thing doesn't make sense to me. we've narrowed it down to one review that should either be merged or not. our normal voting and approval rules can handle that | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | fungi : 2 tips: read it, and keep it up to date | 16:29 |
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| fungi | indeed | 16:35 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 18:43 |
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| smcginnis | jamesmcarthur: Are those survey results published somewhere accessible? The resulting format from my text based email client was very much less than desirable. | 20:59 |
| jamesmcarthur | Oh, did the file attachments not come through? | 21:08 |
| jamesmcarthur | I didn't want to put them on Google Drive b/c of inaccessiblity in Asia | 21:09 |
| jroll | the attachments came through as files for me | 21:12 |
| jroll | csv files are also linked here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009501.html | 21:12 |
| jroll | smcginnis: ^ you should be able to open those in excel / openoffice / google sheets / etc | 21:13 |
| smcginnis | jroll: Except that mutt makes them a big long comma separated dump right in the message, even if I forward it on to another account/client. | 21:19 |
| smcginnis | I can save it and fix it up, but just thought I would check if it was out somewhere. | 21:19 |
| smcginnis | But good call, the lists.o.o view works well. | 21:20 |
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