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| ttx | tc-members: In this week newsletter I had a mention of the U release naming process, assuming the patches there would land in time... How far are we from consensus there ? Should I remove that mention and keep it for next newsletter ? | 10:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: s/liasons/liaisons/ https://review.opendev.org/669191 | 10:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Inital random assignment of liasons https://review.opendev.org/668004 | 11:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Reformat YAML based for machine output https://review.opendev.org/669636 | 11:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Reformat YAML based for machine output https://review.opendev.org/669636 | 11:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Inital random assignment of liasons https://review.opendev.org/668004 | 11:28 |
| fungi | looks like it's had quorum for 11 days so could presumably be merged any time, even with a dissenting vote? | 11:31 |
| ttx | fungi: I fear that a number of people have voted in favor assuming GR romanization did not cause any tension, since that was the information we were originally operating under | 11:51 |
| ttx | TC reviews over the last week have been sparse | 11:51 |
| ttx | Let's see if we can quickly discuss this with mnaser | 11:52 |
| fungi | yes, at present we have two disparate assertions from folks we presume are knowledgeable about the topic | 11:55 |
| fungi | conflicting even. it would be good to find a means to reconcile them | 11:56 |
| mnaser | I'm a bit torn right now on that after my conversations | 11:57 |
| mnaser | I'd like us to move forward with something, but it's also hard considering that to me it seems like it's not the right one | 11:58 |
| ttx | At this point I'd rather say "anything that starts with U that is OK with Chinese community" than mandate any type of romanization | 11:58 |
| mnaser | I'd be in favour of that too. | 11:59 |
| mnaser | I mean, technically by our rules I should merge it | 11:59 |
| mnaser | But I really think that with the info we have, that isn't the best thing to do | 11:59 |
| mnaser | I was thinking the ideal thing to do is just push it through without romanization stuff | 12:00 |
| mnaser | And then do something similar to the train release | 12:00 |
| ttx | mnaser: I would give a chance for TC members to rereview it in light of new information | 12:01 |
| mnaser | Right. I'm just saying my ideal world (or reviewing in IRC, heh) | 12:02 |
| ttx | hmm, technically that thing only says the geographic location | 12:02 |
| ttx | so I guess it still is valid. | 12:02 |
| ttx | then I would proceed like this: get some China-popular options out of WeChat poll | 12:03 |
| ttx | then pass a special examption to get those on the ballot | 12:03 |
| ttx | like "Train" | 12:03 |
| ttx | Ah, the commit message is where GR is mentioned | 12:04 |
| mnaser | Yeah, that works in that case. We might have to vote on adding a couple of options | 12:04 |
| mnaser | Yep | 12:04 |
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| mnaser | Which is why I had asked "are commit messages governance" and the answer was yes then | 12:05 |
| ttx | So the only think that might be sensitive is the listing of systems | 12:05 |
| ttx | thing* | 12:05 |
| ttx | mnaser: I think we can approve the change, and edit the wiki | 12:06 |
| ttx | If we don't encourage GR I think this will be good, especially if we use the Wechat poll to seed options | 12:06 |
| mnaser | ttx: that's how I feel about it too. I can do that if we're comfortable ignoring what the commit message said | 12:21 |
| ttx | that sounds preferable to resetting commits | 12:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Reformat YAML based for machine output https://review.opendev.org/669636 | 12:27 |
| ttx | The commit message is not technically wrong either. It's just the mention on the wiki that people might end up seeing and misinterpreting | 12:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Inital random assignment of liasons https://review.opendev.org/668004 | 12:27 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if we need a bit more formality around the idea of asking locals to help with names. Like designating a naming committee or something. | 12:51 |
| ttx | we could. i was just thinking of making it lightweight and just facilitate going from WeChat to that wiki page | 12:52 |
| ttx | and apply discretionary powers to add things that are a bit out of scope but popular | 12:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Initial random assignment of liaisons https://review.opendev.org/668004 | 13:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Change yaml output to use ruamel.yaml https://review.opendev.org/669668 | 13:51 |
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| mugsie | ttx: I forgot that dhellmann pointed out a better formatter for outputing yaml - the new one just adds the liaisons with no additional formating changes | 14:25 |
| ttx | woohoo | 14:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Change yaml output to use ruamel.yaml https://review.opendev.org/669668 | 14:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Initial random assignment of liaisons https://review.opendev.org/668004 | 14:31 |
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| ttx | On the U thing, sounds safer to wait until we have more members chiming in. We can mention it in the newsletter after todays one | 14:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Change yaml output to use ruamel.yaml https://review.opendev.org/669668 | 15:02 |
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| mnaser | fungi, ttx: after thinking about this more and parsing the text on the wiki, i think we're okay to merge it so i've moved forward | 16:34 |
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| fungi | mnaser: thanks for all the diligence on it! | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add 'U' Release name poll https://review.opendev.org/666974 | 16:43 |
| mnaser | no problem, thanks for the patience | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: s/liasons/liaisons/ https://review.opendev.org/669191 | 16:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add storyboard links to pdf goal https://review.opendev.org/668325 | 16:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix follow up comment of pdf goal https://review.opendev.org/668318 | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Schultz proposed openstack/governance master: Retiring TripleO-UI and associated projects https://review.opendev.org/665264 | 17:19 |
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| mnaser | i'm a bit curious on what we can do regarding the current state of retired projects | 20:30 |
| mnaser | or "retired" projects | 20:30 |
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