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| asettle | Morning o/ | 09:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jens Harbott (frickler) proposed openstack/governance master: Rename Chef OpenStack project and update it https://review.openstack.org/648356 | 09:40 |
| frickler | tc-members: ^^ not sure whether this is the correct way to propose it or whether there should be some discussion first, feedback welcome | 09:42 |
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| evrardjp | thanks frickler | 09:56 |
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| dhellmann | frickler : thanks, that doesn't look controversial to me but a mailing list post with a bit more background would be good | 12:33 |
| dhellmann | maybe it's just a matter of wanting consistency? | 12:33 |
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| evrardjp | mnaser: I think we should do the same for openstack-ansible if it's not too hard. | 13:16 |
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| mnaser | dhellmann: from a release mgmt perspective, is it probably advisable to land this change after we release for now? | 13:18 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: yeah, I think jimmy tried to push a change at some point and there was an issue around it | 13:18 |
| evrardjp | I seem to remember that | 13:19 |
| evrardjp | still, I think it would be nice to be consistent everywhere | 13:19 |
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| dhellmann | mnaser : that's a question for smcginnis. I think either way it's going to mean updating a bunch of files in the releases repo | 13:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of documentation owners https://review.openstack.org/641750 | 13:29 |
| evrardjp | if we change the releases management for OSA again mnaser that wouldn't be too bad. In fact it would help at OSA releasing :p | 13:34 |
| evrardjp | but that's a longer story. | 13:34 |
| smcginnis | mnaser: I agree, given where we are in the cycle, it would b ebest to do that change after the stein release date so we don't have a fire drill. | 13:35 |
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| mnaser | evrardjp: yeah... anything to make life easy | 13:37 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: I totally agree :) | 13:37 |
| mnaser | smcginnis: great, mind just leaving that as a review comment when you have a few (non existent) seconds ? :P | 13:38 |
| evrardjp | there is no urgency on osa side | 13:38 |
| smcginnis | mnaser: Will do! | 13:38 |
| evrardjp | (I guess same applies for chef) | 13:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Describe the business value of consistent RBAC https://review.openstack.org/645361 | 13:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of Designate https://review.openstack.org/641790 | 14:03 |
| lbragstad | i appreciate all the reviews jroll | 14:06 |
| jroll | lbragstad: no problem :) | 14:07 |
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| fungi | i guess it's office hour now | 15:00 |
| jroll | tis | 15:00 |
| ricolin | yep | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Maybe a quieter week after all the highly active ones. | 15:01 |
| fungi | thuogh i'm also in the security sig weekly meeting so may not be paying super close attention in here | 15:01 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:04 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Jens Harbott (frickler) proposed openstack/governance master: Rename Chef OpenStack project and update it https://review.openstack.org/648356 | 15:05 |
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| gmann | o/ | 15:07 |
| mnaser | something I've shopped around is the idea of an ipv6 mgmt plane support for devstack plugins | 15:10 |
| mnaser | so that we can run devstack in IPv6 only mode (therefore means all services can run with IPv6) | 15:10 |
| mnaser | any thoughts about it? | 15:10 |
| fungi | making sure our inter-service communications can work over ipv6 would be great, in my opinion | 15:12 |
| jroll | my TC brain is 100% for that | 15:12 |
| jroll | my ironic brain says ensuring that all the variations of pxe booting and NIC firmware we support can do v6 seems scary :) | 15:13 |
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| jroll | I guess we don't need all of it working, just the more common ones | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | Control plane might be OK. But last I knew, there were still some devices that don't fully support IPv6 in all scenarios. I know we had some cinder storage vendors that did not support it for iSCSI, just management API. | 15:15 |
| dtroyer | I think the important bit is that it isn't our software that is the limiting factor | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | ++ | 15:16 |
| jroll | given that all services ostensibly support wsgi, thus support standard web servers like httpd and nginx, control plane should just be done other than CI, right? | 15:16 |
| jroll | dtroyer: ++ | 15:16 |
| jroll | (big fat "should" there, as usual) | 15:16 |
| ricolin | ++ | 15:17 |
| dtroyer | right, nice assumptions about how long a string representation of an IP address is, or that a colon in a URL is only after the scheme or before a port number, yadda yadda yadda | 15:17 |
| * dtroyer has never made either of those mistakes, nope, never… | 15:18 | |
| jroll | ooo, fair. | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | dtroyer: :) | 15:20 |
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| mnaser | yeah, so I think it's a fairly achievable goal | 15:28 |
| mnaser | and it's usually just filtered around fixing assumptions around ip scheme | 15:28 |
| mnaser | I agree with jroll and smcginnis that some projects will _inevitebly_ interact with ipv4 only services, but at least, openstack itself should be able to run ipv6 in terms of listeners, etc, etc | 15:29 |
| fungi | yeah, it would be great if our software were capable of operating without ipv4, and offered v4 support as a legacy fallback for interacting with devices/environments which lack proper v6 support | 15:31 |
| gmann | ++, as software side if we make sure of working it with ipv6, it is much benefits for operator perspective. | 15:32 |
| fungi | so i think having working v6-only integration test jobs is a laudable goal to prove that's possible | 15:36 |
| mnaser | fungi: yeah, im thinking maybe someone can help build a job that disables ipv4 and runs IPv6 only for example | 15:36 |
| fungi | obviously we do still need to test that we can interoperate with v4-only suystems too | 15:36 |
| mnaser | we are moving all our infra to v6 | 15:36 |
| mnaser | and we have ran into some challenges, so I thought it would make sense | 15:36 |
| fungi | it's an excellent suggestion indeed | 15:37 |
| mnaser | would anyone like to volunteer to draft up the document and we can try and find a champion if we think it's good? | 15:37 |
| gmann | fungi: +1, we have support of that in devstack with base jobs ready seems (running as n-v on tempest). every project having a voting ipv6 only job | 15:37 |
| mnaser | yeah, if we aim for a voting ipv6 only job as a way to know if its complete, that seems pretty good way to not regress | 15:38 |
| mnaser | anyways, by doing this, we'll probably make our code more robust too because i.e. if someone was parsing code in a questionable way that made assumption on an ip, now they can use $some_python_lib to do that (hopefully we don't have people implementing ipv6 parsing libs :P) | 15:39 |
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| jroll | mnaser: too late :P https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils/blob/master/oslo_utils/netutils.py#L37 | 15:40 |
| jroll | at least it's in oslo and not a bunch of projects, though :) | 15:40 |
| mnaser | jroll: that's a good thing to actually list in that document | 15:41 |
| mnaser | yeah, Oslo.utils is pretty accessible | 15:41 |
| jroll | mnaser: yeah, the whole file has some helpful stuff for this goal | 15:41 |
| mnaser | yeah ipv6 platform detection and all | 15:42 |
| * mnaser looks at history of that file and suggests them all as potential goal champions | 15:42 | |
| mnaser | :P | 15:42 |
| fungi | works for me! | 15:49 |
| mnaser | I guess we don't have anyone volunteer to push this up as a potential goal | 15:51 |
| mnaser | I have a lot going on right now (cloud upgrades, openstack-ansible release) so I couldn't do it right _now_ but I could do it after release, but that might be a bit late for PTLs | 15:52 |
| mnaser | I think it would be neat if someone could help out at least draft that stuff out | 15:52 |
| jroll | I would if I had time, but I don't, sorry | 15:52 |
| jroll | mnaser: by "too late for PTLs", do you mean you wanted to have something before the PTG to talk about for train? or U? | 15:56 |
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| mnaser | jroll: train, correct, similar to the concerns lbragstad had at the time | 16:16 |
| fungi | zigo also mentioned a potentially interesting goal on openstack-discuss just a few minutes ago | 16:21 |
| fungi | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004329.html | 16:22 |
| TheJulia | my tc brain says that if we want v6 to be a priority for teams, we're going to need to partner with the deployment tools to force it forward | 16:27 |
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| TheJulia | And more so from a standpoint of not doing or avoiding doing things that are v6 only and driving things in projects that are v6 only | 16:27 |
| mnaser | TheJulia: yeah, this is one of the rare goals that deployment tools can actually participate in too! | 16:29 |
| TheJulia | My ironic brain, like jroll's cries as well, considering we'll likely ahve to hold on to some custom roms to do bare metal | 16:29 |
| mnaser | we usually were left out of the fun =P | 16:29 |
| fungi | i suspect pushing it on deployment tools before we even test that it works under devstack may be putting the cart before the horse | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | fungi: that's indeed an interesting goal, it simplifies the user interface | 16:31 |
| TheJulia | the cloud vendors are another issue | 16:32 |
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