| lbragstad | i apologize if it comes out a bit mangled | 00:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of Glance https://review.openstack.org/641784 | 00:05 |
| fungi | lbragstad: no apology needed. sorry i lack the bandwidth to try and rewrite it myself | 00:36 |
| lbragstad | well - my hope is once things are in review, we can iterate like we normally would | 00:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of infra admins https://review.openstack.org/641890 | 01:08 |
| zaneb | review posted: https://review.openstack.org/641878 | 01:14 |
| zaneb | and email sent: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/003610.html | 01:14 |
| mnaser | zaneb: thank you sir :) | 01:23 |
| zaneb | no sweat | 01:23 |
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| gmann | ML on legacy-jobs-to-bionic http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/003614.html | 03:10 |
| mnaser | thank you gmann | 03:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Remove lyarwood from upgrades SIG https://review.openstack.org/641962 | 08:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Update SIG admins https://review.openstack.org/641969 | 09:25 |
| ttx | tc-members, please approve ^ | 09:25 |
| asettle | ttx, does that include newbies? I don't appear to have new powah's on that repo :) | 09:28 |
| asettle | Just your standard +1 action | 09:28 |
| ttx | yeah a +1 will count as approval | 09:33 |
| ttx | only the sig-admnis have +2 on that repo | 09:33 |
| asettle | Okay phew :) thanks ttx | 10:02 |
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| jroll | corvus: that email makes me very very happy :) | 12:23 |
| * cdent tries to think of something to kill jroll's buzz | 12:25 | |
| jroll | cdent: it's friday, it can't be killed | 12:25 |
| cdent | I will not rise to that challenge, though sorely tempted | 12:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann, mnaser: Looking at the PTG teams, the TC is not listed -- was that on purpose? We can probably slot in the Saturday if needed. | 12:40 |
| smcginnis | That seemed to work well last time in Denver to have the TC room at the end. | 12:42 |
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| * cdent covets asettle 's big red pen | 12:58 | |
| asettle | heh sorrryyyy | 13:03 |
| cdent | asettle: no, I really do, I think it is good | 13:07 |
| asettle | :) thanks. Glad it's helpful to someone | 13:13 |
| mnaser | ttx: i agree with smcginnis and i see a lot of value in that. i'm assuming the email was just missed at the survey time (or the tc didn't think that we had to 'apply' for a room as we're not really a "project" team per say) | 13:15 |
| mnaser | can we have that setup? | 13:15 |
| mnaser | (also good morning everyone) | 13:22 |
| ttx | mnaser: It's easy to get the Saturday afternoon. Whole of Saturday is a bit harder at this point | 13:23 |
| mnaser | saturday is the last day of the ptg, right? | 13:24 |
| ttx | yes | 13:24 |
| mnaser | when you say "a bit harder" do we mean "impossible" or "we can make it happen if you really *really* need it" | 13:24 |
| mnaser | i just wanted to ask the rest of the tc if they thought it was necessary or if afternoon is enough. | 13:25 |
| ttx | mnaser: just means I can't guarantee it, depends on other factors | 13:25 |
| fungi | half a day seems reasonable to me. we're going to have a lot of opportunities to advance various tc initiatives through forum sessions earlier in the week anyway | 13:26 |
| ttx | A lot of teams have listed "TC" as one thing they'd rather not conflict with, which does not help :) | 13:27 |
| mnaser | maybe they thought they just didn't want to conflict with us as a group and not in time =P | 13:27 |
| fungi | and the ptg is already quite compressed compared to previous ones, so i expect the sorts of folks who serve on the tc will be spread even thinner than usual | 13:27 |
| smcginnis | Between the joint leadership meeting Sunday, opportunities during the Forum, different things during the PTG, just having half a day at the end dedicated to follow up is probably good. | 13:27 |
| smcginnis | Everyone might be too brain dead by Saturday afternoon to be able to handle much more anyway. | 13:28 |
| mnaser | seems fair, i'm going to ask the ML to cover our bases for those on different timezones or not up yet to chime in | 13:28 |
| mnaser | ttx: do you maybe want to email that considering you're probably more logistically aware of it? :> | 13:29 |
| ttx | ok | 13:30 |
| mnaser | ttx: thank you | 13:31 |
| ttx | email sent | 13:35 |
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| dhellmann | hmm, yeah, I guess I missed that email. :-/ | 13:43 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: zaneb was kind enough to take care of creating for the project template for train, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641878/ is the change, it seems okay to me but it'd be nice to have some more tc eyes on it as well | 13:49 |
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| jroll | zaneb: mnaser: why make additional templates, rather than the guidance being to just use openstack-python36-jobs and openstack-python37-jobs? just one less line of code in projects? | 13:53 |
| mugsie | jroll: i think the point was to be really clear | 13:55 |
| jroll | I guess it makes it clear that these are the train jobs, but the indirection makes it less clear when looking at a project which jobs are running | 13:56 |
| jroll | as a casual zuul user, I always have a hard time digging through various base jobs, templates, nodesets, and multiple repos that define these | 13:56 |
| jroll | to find the actual configuration | 13:56 |
| mnaser | jroll: afaik, i'd be inclined to also chime in but we've also resolved this: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20181024-python-update-process.html | 13:57 |
| mnaser | "This decision will be encoded in a Zuul template for unit tests named openstack-python3-<releasename>-jobs" | 13:57 |
| mnaser | we can look at maybe re-evaluating that, but in that scenario zane is just really applying what we've agreed on | 13:57 |
| jroll | mnaser: thanks, can't argue with that :) | 13:57 |
| * jroll +1s and makes a note on the change | 13:58 | |
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| ttx | we should also make sure that we have assignees for all the sessions we want to file, to make sure they are filed in time... | 14:11 |
| ttx | "Deployment tools:define common capabilities" and "Technical vision document: Check in and question session" still don't have any | 14:12 |
| gmann | ttx: yeah, i will catch up on all proposed sessions and respective moderator/ask for moderator today | 14:12 |
| ttx | mnaser: I already have a session to lead, do you want to run "Deployment tools: define common capabilities" ? | 14:13 |
| ttx | (I'll be there) | 14:13 |
| gmann | jroll: i was on side of not liking template but integrated-gate template helped me a lot in term of consistency of integration tests across projects and communication part. same it will benefit us for train template. | 14:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of goal champions https://review.openstack.org/641773 | 14:13 |
| gmann | on zuul run we can still see openstack-tox-py36 and openstack-tox-py37 running with their actual name | 14:14 |
| gmann | ttx: it seems we would not have forum/ptg time for f2f discusion for U cycle goal if we do not do this time | 14:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Describe the business value of using unified limits https://review.openstack.org/637025 | 14:18 |
| ttx | yeah, was just wondering about confusing message (starting to discuss U goals backlog while we just defined T goals) | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of documentation owners https://review.openstack.org/641750 | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of Designate https://review.openstack.org/641790 | 14:23 |
| asettle | lbragstad, I responded to your comment on this one :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641773/4 | 14:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of Glance https://review.openstack.org/641784 | 14:25 |
| asettle | Thanks so much lbragstad :) | 14:26 |
| lbragstad | asettle i appreciate the reviews! | 14:26 |
| gmann | ttx: yeah timelines are so close with both. | 14:26 |
| lbragstad | i was hoping you'd take a swing at them | 14:27 |
| gmann | tc-members: anyone want to lead this forum session "Technical vision document: Check in and question session" - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-Train-TC-brainstorming | 14:27 |
| asettle | gmann, sorry, I should have put my name down. I'll happily sync up with TheJulia and cdent on the matter and lead it | 14:28 |
| zaneb | jroll: it make it easy to make patches to update them automatically each release cycle | 14:28 |
| gmann | asettle: great and thanks. | 14:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of goal champions https://review.openstack.org/641773 | 14:30 |
| zaneb | jroll: and it may not always be that simple; in some circumstances there may be periodic jobs and jobs limited to master. also in future we want the ability to drop something like py35 across every project at once without them having to do anything | 14:32 |
| gmann | yeah that is imp point. same we did for adding grenade job in integrated-gate template. | 14:34 |
| gmann | it avoid multiple changes and only single place change works well. | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of infra admins https://review.openstack.org/641890 | 14:44 |
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| mnaser | ttx: i can run deployment tools | 14:59 |
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| jroll | zaneb: fair points. thanks | 15:14 |
| gmann | mnaser: thanks, added your name in etherpad. | 15:16 |
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| gmann | with that we have moderator for all forum topic | 15:17 |
| gmann | mnaser: ttx: asettle: rico: March 10th is deadline which is sunday, i feel it is good to propose your forum session on site by today. - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-Train-TC-brainstorming | 15:19 |
| gmann | once done i will confirm all the sessions on ML. | 15:19 |
| mnaser | gmann: so by submitting on openstack.org ? | 15:20 |
| asettle | ^ | 15:20 |
| asettle | Sorry, first forum session here. What exactly am I doing? | 15:20 |
| gmann | mnaser: asettle yes - https://www.openstack.org/summit-login/login?BackURL=%2Fsummit%2Fdenver-2019%2Fcall-for-presentations | 15:21 |
| gmann | now forum sessions needs to be submitted same way as presentation sessions with type as 'Forum' | 15:21 |
| asettle | Oh ho ho | 15:22 |
| gmann | https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations | 15:22 |
| asettle | I'm currently stuck trying to fix stuff downstream, I will get on that this evening if need be | 15:22 |
| gmann | asettle: thank. | 15:23 |
| mnaser | gmann: done! | 15:25 |
| gmann | mnaser: thanks | 15:25 |
| mnaser | tc-members: with the upcoming opendev transition, we would need a point of contact during the transition. would anyone like to volunteer for this? | 15:36 |
| asettle | gmann, done | 15:37 |
| jroll | mnaser: I'm happy to be that person | 15:40 |
| mnaser | jroll: awesome, do you mind responding to corvus ML post, i think it would be useful to just attend the infra meetings and gather information to report back on what we need to know | 15:41 |
| jroll | mnaser: sure thing | 15:42 |
| * jroll proposes the stackforge namespace for the unofficial project rename :P | 15:49 | |
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| dtantsur | ++ :D | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | another option we discussed at one point was to have $team/repo because that avoids a rename when something becomes "official" | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | it does however contribute to the namespace sprawl problem | 15:57 |
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| smcginnis | So something like cinder/cinder cinder/os-brick cinder/python-cinderclient? | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | I actually kind of like that idea. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | It fits well with what folks are used to in the GitHub world. | 15:59 |
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| gmann | asettle: thanks. | 16:01 |
| * mnaser likes that namespace idea | 16:01 | |
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| ttx | we should add that namespacing discussion to the TC tracker | 16:09 |
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| ttx | mnaser: as session title do you prefer "How to drive cross-project changes" or "how to drive common goals" for the cross-project / strategic goalsetting forum session | 16:10 |
| ttx | oh well, I picked the latter | 16:14 |
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| asettle | Well that was smooth | 17:46 |
| asettle | Adios all. Just an FYI tc-members I am on a team offsite next week and will be inconsistently online. Thanks for welcoming me aboard, really looking forward to getting stuck into things :) | 17:47 |
| asettle | Have a great weekend! | 17:47 |
| elbragstad | asettle o/ enjoy the weekend | 17:47 |
| jroll | cheers asettle \o | 17:47 |
| needssleep | Have a wonderful weekend asettle | 17:51 |
| needssleep | Regarding namespaces, It also better allows projects to separate out should they choose to do so at some point | 17:53 |
| zaneb | ttx: aren't those two different discussions? | 17:58 |
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| gmann | tc-members FYI: we have total 6 topics proposed for forum. i have updated the links in etherpad and ML - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/003646.html | 18:40 |
| gmann | Thanks for proposing and discussion. | 18:40 |
| fungi | jroll: thanks for volunteering to be our opendev point of contact in openstack! i was hesitant to volunteer myself for fear of forgetting which hat i'm wearing in different conversations about it ;) | 19:07 |
| jroll | fungi: I almost asked you first, then figured as much. you're welcome :) | 19:08 |
| fungi | now we have even more of an excuse to hang out ;) | 19:08 |
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| jroll | \o/ | 19:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Sign repo for auto-scaling sig https://review.openstack.org/637126 | 19:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: add a note to notify the community when the TC chair changes https://review.openstack.org/641695 | 19:56 |
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| fungi | 26 of 63 (41%) teams have ptl candidates as of right now. one (openstack charms) has more than one candidate so will need a runoff election | 21:19 |
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| smcginnis | Not too bad considering how much time is left. | 21:33 |
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| fungi | yeah, still a few more days remaining | 22:39 |
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