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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Add Version Based Feature Discovery in Technical Vision https://review.openstack.org/621516 | 08:30 |
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| ttx | ICYMI: K8s introduced a concept of Working Group a few months ago -- temporary in nature, clear objective / disband criteria, does not own code. https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/committee-steering/governance/wg-governance.md | 08:42 |
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| ttx | Example WG: dims's effort to move project infra off Google and into CNCF / the project: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/tree/master/wg-k8s-infra | 08:43 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 09:03 |
| gmann | o/ | 09:04 |
| gmann | TC Office hour started.. | 09:04 |
| gmann | tc-members updated the patch for feature discover in vision doc- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/621516/ | 09:06 |
| gmann | evrardjp: ^^ | 09:06 |
| evrardjp | :) | 09:06 |
| ttx | o/ | 09:06 |
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| evrardjp | ttx: what's your take on the k8s wg? | 09:19 |
| ttx | you mean their concept of WGs, or that specific k8s-infra WG? | 09:24 |
| ttx | I really like the idea of separating transient from permanent groups | 09:25 |
| ttx | We've been lacking a clear terminology there -- we have called them pop-up teams at one point but that did not really caught on | 09:25 |
| ttx | and we have working groups at the board and the UC level so reusing their naming is a bit hard | 09:25 |
| gmann | ttx: but k8s-infra still needs to own infra related code right so that as WG fit well ? | 09:26 |
| ttx | gmann: I don't think they plan to do infra as code | 09:28 |
| ttx | but then dims can probably explain better | 09:28 |
| gmann | ok. | 09:28 |
| ttx | (currently they are using a bunch of hosts on GCE owned by Google with only Google people having access) | 09:29 |
| gmann | yeah. | 09:29 |
| cmurphy | having something formal for managing specific cross project long term deliverables or community wide initiatives would help a lot i think | 09:32 |
| ttx | cmurphy: I'll wait for dims to comment based on his experience there... then I can start a thread to assess support for the idea | 09:33 |
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| dims | gmann : the WG does it work through various SIGs that it is related to. the SIGs own the repos | 12:56 |
| dims | think of WG as cross cutting ... | 12:56 |
| dims | at some point the infra WG will dissolve into something more permanent ... we don't yet know what that will be. | 12:57 |
| dims | cmurphy : +1 on "something formal for managing specific cross project long term deliverables or community wide initiatives" | 12:58 |
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| ttx | dims: ok I can start a thread on that to see what people think | 17:42 |
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| clarkb | I'll mention it here too as it is a broad audience. pycodestyle 2.5.0 released a few hours ago and has blown up the openstack integrated gate | 17:54 |
| smcginnis | Oh joy. | 17:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ivan Kolodyazhny proposed openstack/governance master: Add Horizon to 'Help most needed' list https://review.openstack.org/633798 | 18:35 |
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| bsilverman | So, there's LFEdge with Akraino, EdgeX and Home Edge, and there's the OSF with StarlingX, is anyone looking at bridging this? | 18:54 |
| bsilverman | anyone from the OSF, that is. | 18:55 |
| clarkb | ildikov: ^ | 19:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 19:02 |
| ildikov | and yes | 19:02 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: EdgeX is now under the LFEdge umbrella and both StarlingX and the Edge WG under OSF are seeking ways to collaborate | 19:03 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: if you have a good use case in mind or further integration points we can work on to tackle then it would be great to chat about it | 19:04 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: we are also continuously reaching out to further groups to collaborate where it makes sense | 19:04 |
| ildikov | clarkb: thanks! | 19:05 |
| bsilverman | I'm just wondering if each of these groups are headed towards a common goal, yet, are separated by governance, yet, joined in other areas of collaboration. | 19:05 |
| ildikov | edge is not really a well defined area at this point | 19:06 |
| ildikov | and even when we will have more use cases that we can detail out it is still a very large scope for one group to tackle | 19:06 |
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| bsilverman | ildikov: True, I'm just interested to see if these edge groups start trying to create their own open edge infrastructure managers while OpenStack is already here. | 19:07 |
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| bsilverman | ildikov: I'm already seeing it with the container/k8s crowd, trying to figure out how to manage bare metal and VMs for containers by cobbling together a bunch of open source solutions and writing their own integration when OpenStack already has most of what they need solved. | 19:09 |
| ildikov | so in that sense having this many entities can help with understanding better the different layers from hardware up to the workloads and then consolidate once we have a better understanding | 19:09 |
| ildikov | sorry, my wifi decided to stop working... :/ | 19:10 |
| bsilverman | ildikov: Yes, if they have workload management and deployment tools they are developing for general use cases, great, but when it comes to infrastructure or private cloud underlay, the OSF could help them. | 19:11 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: yeah, I understand your point and we are continuously looking into publishing case studies and showing that OpenStack services have a well-defined space in the container space as well | 19:11 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: and we do where we can | 19:11 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: it's a lot of repeating ourselves in the industry at this point as I see it | 19:12 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: and it's always the era of unicorns that somehow never gets old... | 19:13 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: but for instance the first Akraino blueprint is based on Airship, there is a proposal for StarlingX and I believe that there are other blueprints as well including OpenStack services | 19:14 |
| ildikov | I will present on their community call about the work that the OSF Edge WG is doing next Thursday | 19:14 |
| ildikov | we have a similar activity with ETSI MEC on introducing activities and see where we can collaborate | 19:15 |
| ildikov | we work a lot with K8s in general and especially in the cloud provider space | 19:15 |
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| bsilverman | ildikov: I saw that VOLTHA and SEBA were both going to a container based model on bare metal, are they still going in that direction? | 19:17 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: not sure, I would need to check | 19:17 |
| bsilverman | okay. The model used to be OpenStack, that's why I was wondering. | 19:18 |
| bsilverman | I know it's a big job to keep an eye on all of these groups :) | 19:18 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: yeah, it certainly is :) | 19:19 |
| bsilverman | I was just surprised to see, in some sense, competing projects coming out of the LF | 19:19 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: BTW, you should hang out on the #edge-computing-group channel :) | 19:19 |
| bsilverman | sure, what's one more channel to annoy :) | 19:20 |
| ildikov | bsilverman: when it comes to edge they have some projects competing more with each other than our projects | 19:20 |
| ildikov | lol :) | 19:20 |
| mnaser | am I behind on my email or did we not get the usual invite sent out for the board meeting? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | mnaser: with the switch from webex to zoom the automated invites from webex stopped getting sent | 19:34 |
| mnaser | :( | 19:35 |
| cmurphy | jbryce sent a reminder email 5 hours ago | 19:40 |
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