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| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Mitchell proposed openstack/governance master: Fix typo around "environment markers" https://review.openstack.org/539079 | 03:31 |
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| ttx | One difference in CNCF is that all projects (except Kubernetes) are basically single-vendor | 08:39 |
| ttx | While we strive to make them all open collaborations (we consider we don't add value if they are to stay single vendor) | 08:40 |
| ttx | So the dynamics of our project pipelines are different | 08:40 |
| ttx | Also OpenStack is a single project with multiple components | 08:41 |
| ttx | so yeah, apples to oranges... | 08:42 |
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| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Technical_Committee_Tracker updated | 08:57 |
| * ttx grabs coffee | 08:57 | |
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| cmurphy | o/ | 08:59 |
| ttx | cmurphy: hello! | 09:02 |
| cmurphy | hello ttx | 09:02 |
| ttx | I'm still catching up after being mostly gone last week | 09:03 |
| ttx | Trying to see if some consensus was forming around the goal selection | 09:03 |
| cmurphy | i don't think it's been reached yet | 09:07 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 09:09 |
| ttx | flaper87: hey | 09:09 |
| flaper87 | hellooooo! | 09:09 |
| ttx | cmurphy: any preference? | 09:10 |
| flaper87 | sorry I've been silent lately, it's been crazy | 09:10 |
| * flaper87 was mostly gone last week too.... needs to catch up | 09:10 | |
| cmurphy | ttx: I was in favor of the mox one but mriedem left feedback that gives me second thoughts | 09:10 |
| ttx | We have two that are dev-facing (storyboard and mox), two that are op-facing (mutable debug setting and upgrade) | 09:10 |
| ttx | and one that is enduser-facing (pagination links) | 09:11 |
| cmurphy | the upgrade one I am -1 on unless it changes the wording to not have limited scope | 09:11 |
| ttx | my preference would be to select 2 and have a mix of dev-facing and op or enduser-facing. | 09:12 |
| cmurphy | mutable config seems worthwhile to me and would be a benefit to my employer's products | 09:12 |
| ttx | Like mox and mutable-debug--setting | 09:12 |
| cmurphy | +1 to having a mix | 09:13 |
| ttx | cmurphy: the upgrade one has limited scope? | 09:13 |
| * ttx reads mriedem's mox comments | 09:13 | |
| cmurphy | "To keep the goal simpler, it would be good to focus for this cycle on the main "openstack" bucket from the `OpenStack map`_." | 09:14 |
| cmurphy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533544/2/goals/rocky/cold_upgrades_capabilities.rst@17 | 09:14 |
| ttx | cmurphy: The only other bucket that it could apply to is the openstack-operations bucket, sinc ethe tag only applies to openstack + openstack-operations | 09:15 |
| ttx | cmurphy: I'm ok to extend it to that one too | 09:15 |
| cmurphy | ttx: i agree, i don't think it applies to everything but it does apply to some things in the openstack-operatons bucket | 09:15 |
| cmurphy | so i would rather it not be artificially limited | 09:16 |
| ttx | cmurphy: that's fair, I'm ok with that | 09:16 |
| ttx | BUT I'd rather not select mutableconfig+upgrade | 09:16 |
| cmurphy | sure | 09:16 |
| ttx | since I'd rather mix dev-facing / ops/enduser-facing | 09:16 |
| ttx | So the mox objection is that it's just too much work in some projects | 09:17 |
| ttx | as in review work | 09:17 |
| ttx | I still think it's a good goal, although we might want to give Nova a "best effort" card | 09:19 |
| ttx | given that it's just too many tests | 09:19 |
| ttx | otherwise this will drag forever | 09:19 |
| ttx | So yeah, small preference for mutable-debug + mox here... | 09:20 |
| cmurphy | +1 | 09:21 |
| ttx | mox impacts nova more but then they did mutable-debug already iirc | 09:21 |
| cmurphy | that's true | 09:21 |
| ttx | and if they eliminated 50% of the remaining mox tests that would already be a big wni | 09:21 |
| ttx | or win | 09:22 |
| ttx | The other topic I wanted us to discuss is extra tracks of discussions for PTG | 09:22 |
| ttx | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRmqAAQZA1rIzlNJpVp-X60-z6jMn_95BKWtf0csGT9LkDharY-mppI25KjiuRasmK413MxXcoSU7ki/pubhtml?gid=1374855307&single=true | 09:23 |
| ttx | That shows what tracks we have up | 09:23 |
| ttx | We have room on Mon/Tue for other pressing cross-team discussion topics | 09:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix typo around "environment markers" https://review.openstack.org/539079 | 09:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update status of the Python 3 goal for Ironic https://review.openstack.org/536368 | 09:24 |
| ttx | Fast-forward upgrading was allocated a day... But it feels like the topic of upgrades / downstream consumption patterns / LTS / release cycle length is all linked | 09:25 |
| ttx | and really needs discussion | 09:25 |
| cmurphy | I suspect we might want a BM/VM slot, but haven't discussed it with those teams yet | 09:27 |
| ttx | I also feel like we could use a "community health" track for a day | 09:27 |
| ttx | cmurphy: I'm happy to schedule a VM/BM day if there is demand for it | 09:27 |
| cmurphy | I will try to see if we have a need for it | 09:28 |
| ttx | cmurphy: thanks! | 09:28 |
| ttx | Kuryr asked to move to Tue-Wed so I'll fix that now | 09:29 |
| mugsie | ttx: an hour or so for the health check middleware might be good as well | 09:32 |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531456 | 09:32 |
| ttx | mugsie: if it's just an hour or so it can be added as a track and dynamically scheduled on the spot | 09:32 |
| mugsie | Sounds good | 09:32 |
| mugsie | It may fit into olso / API SIG / self healing as well, all 3 groups have an interest | 09:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of Tempest plugin split goal for Vitrage https://review.openstack.org/539163 | 09:35 |
| ttx | Last topic I had is around post-lunch presentations... We had a couple suggestions | 09:38 |
| ttx | Like an infra update | 09:38 |
| ttx | Or a quick presentation of the release goals | 09:38 |
| ttx | Some mentioned the need to set the tone on Monday too | 09:38 |
| ttx | on Friday we'd likely do lightning talks | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: how were you thinking to "set the tone", a welcome session? | 09:40 |
| ttx | yeah, welcome session + a bit of a state of the union from TC | 09:41 |
| ttx | see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I do like that idea | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | seeing how the scientific SIG uses lightening talks, I am certainly warming to them | 09:42 |
| ttx | So we could do something like... | 09:42 |
| ttx | Monday: Welcome to the PTG / housekeeping / set tone / situational awareness / release goals | 09:42 |
| ttx | Tuesday: Infra update, including Zuulv3 | 09:43 |
| ttx | Wednesday: Open slot | 09:43 |
| ttx | Thursday: 5-min summary of meetings outcome | 09:43 |
| ttx | Friday: Lightning talks | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | Wednesday have summaries of the cross project sessions? | 09:44 |
| ttx | that's a possibility yes | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess those are kinda lightening talks with a theme, sign up to present what is happening in your room | 09:44 |
| ttx | Although that's what most of the Thursday one is about | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | true | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am all for a day off too | 09:45 |
| ttx | I kinda want to keep a day in backpocket just in case we have a pressing matter to talk about | 09:47 |
| ttx | and it's ok if we have nothing | 09:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ | 09:49 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Our ubuntu-xenial images (used for e.g. unit tests and devstack) are currently failing to install any packages, restrain from *recheck* or *approve* until the issue has been investigated and fixed. | 13:44 | |
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| dhellmann | mugsie : I'm sure the oslo team has space on the agenda for the middleware discussion. Talk with gcb. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-rocky | 14:02 |
| mugsie | dhellmann: thanks - will add it to the list now | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | ttx: did the storyboard team ask for any time at the ptg? | 14:11 |
| ttx | dhellmann: they usually run in the Infra room | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | diablo_rojo : do you know how many storyboard folks will be in dublin? | 14:12 |
| ttx | dhellmann: Zara should be present. | 14:12 |
| ttx | Let me check for Adam | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | +1 for the mix of mutable-config and mox for goals. I like that combination. | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | someone needs to design a test for the mutable-config goal | 14:14 |
| ttx | dhellmann: SotK not in the attendee list (yet) | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:14 |
| * TheJulia caffinates and reads | 14:26 | |
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| TheJulia | cmurphy: ttx: I suspect it would be good to get nova and ironic in the same room (or at least try to with how busy the ptg can end up being), but I'm not sure if a dedicated track is really required or useful since it might just be diverting attention from other cross project items or items that need to be discussed in those teams | 14:42 |
| cmurphy | TheJulia: from a keystone perspective I was thinking it might be good to have nova+ironic+heat+keystone discuss unified limits and RBAC | 14:45 |
| TheJulia | That could have a good outcome | 14:46 |
| TheJulia | and possibly some migraines :) | 14:46 |
| cmurphy | what are PTGs for if not for migraine amplifiers | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | We had our nova-cinder sessions during the latter part of the week, but I could see something like nova+ironic+heat+keystone being a much better fit for Mon-Tues. | 14:54 |
| ttx | there is room for it, just let me know if you want it to happen | 14:55 |
| TheJulia | smcginnis: I was thinking the same thing | 15:04 |
| TheJulia | I'm explicitly posing the question in the ironic room for ironic contributors to gauge interest. | 15:06 |
| TheJulia | cmurphy: seems at least 1.75 ironic folk are interested (although only a 10 minute sampling) :) | 15:15 |
| cmurphy | TheJulia: cool, I'll write an email to the list to gather more feedback | 15:16 |
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| TheJulia | awesome | 15:29 |
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| persia | ttx: dhellmann: I spoke with Adam today, and he's hoping to make PTG: he's just trying to sort his schedule first (but is fairly local, so organising short-notice travel isn't so bad). | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | persia : ok, thanks | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | if we can get everyone together, maybe we can prioritize some work on storyboard itself to let us move forward a bit with the migration | 16:32 |
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| fungi | i'm happy to set aside some time in my schedule there to participate in sb-related discussions too | 18:24 |
| smcginnis | Zuul and storyboard are two things that I think would be of general interest to everyone. | 18:28 |
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| smcginnis | Good point mugsie. | 18:55 |
| mugsie | yeah - I was on the call as well, and was wondering about it, but from the reading of the policy, I *think* it is just the members. It would be very unusal for a public meeting to have reporting restrictions applied to public observers | 18:57 |
| mugsie | normally (in IE at least) this is to allow for a collective responsiblity (aka, when the board approves / rejects something, you either publicly stand by it, or resign) | 18:58 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I think that's probably the case. | 18:58 |
| mugsie | smcginnis: mordred seems to agree with me :) | 19:07 |
| smcginnis | Then it's official. ;) | 19:08 |
| mordred | I do | 19:08 |
| mugsie | unfortunately I had to drop off before the end, so will not get to publish any notes this time :/ | 19:09 |
| smcginnis | Not much too exciting in the latter part. | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, fungi I was thinking we grab some reserveable space some morning(s) in DUB towards the end of the week | 19:10 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:10 |
| dhellmann | diablo_rojo : sounds good | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, fungi any days you would prefer? zuul conflicts to avoid? | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | friday morning is the tc session | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so Wed/Thursday preferred. | 19:12 |
| fungi | infra hasn't really scheduled out their wednesday->friday yet (still topic brainstorming) so i currently expect to just play it by ear | 19:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Add Storyboard Migration to Rocky https://review.openstack.org/513875 | 23:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Add Storyboard Migration to Rocky https://review.openstack.org/513875 | 23:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Add Storyboard Migration to Rocky https://review.openstack.org/513875 | 23:22 |
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