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| smcginnis | Nothing about power. ;) | 02:30 |
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| ttx | summary of the open governance discussion: it's hard to draw parallels since the various layers we have and the various layers others have are not strictly aligned. The CNCF TOC (responsible for selecting new CNCF projects) is actually an emanation of their board, with most seats appointed. Our TC is more like the K8s steering committee, and their SIGs more like our project teams | 03:56 |
| ttx | One difference is that within kubernetes they are using a single "bucket stops here" safety valve (steering committee) while in openstack we have two levels (the PTL and the TC) | 03:57 |
| ttx | That lets them have co-leads at the SIG level (they do't really run elections at that level yet) | 03:57 |
| ttx | benefit being co-leads share the load, drawback being there is no rhythm in succession planning and it might be hard to step out | 03:59 |
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| cdent | mugsie: glad you followed up to https://twitter.com/jessfraz/status/938921091615150080 | 15:18 |
| cdent | that’s a surprisingly naive assertion | 15:18 |
| cmurphy | sort of relatedly https://twitter.com/robynbergeron/status/938988331223859200 :/ | 15:20 |
| cdent | ugh | 15:22 |
| cdent | that’s sad | 15:22 |
| cdent | people are jerks so easily, without intent | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Well, that was interesting. | 15:23 |
| cdent | smcginnis: we all eagerly await your full report | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Some great conversations. And some really weird and puzzling things like those tweets. | 15:26 |
| cdent | a complicated mix is probably more healthy than alternatives | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | True | 15:27 |
| mugsie | cdent: yeah, I would be interested to see if there is any reply, or if I get "lol openstack, is that still a thing?" | 15:28 |
| cdent | mmm, yeah | 15:29 |
| cdent | apparently we are in some kind of zero sum game where only some people are allowed to be cool | 15:29 |
| * cdent flashes back to high school, hides in corner, shaking | 15:30 | |
| smcginnis | You gotta make big, bold statements on twitter I guess. | 15:30 |
| mugsie | Yeah, 280 chars is just not enough it seems | 15:31 |
| * cdent looks at the 140 characters in his cold dead hands | 15:31 | |
| mugsie | And what's worse, is there is *loads* of projects like us, even in the same space. | 15:31 |
| pabelanger | cmurphy: yah, I see that. sadface | 15:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Shift tripleo-ci from infra to tripleo https://review.openstack.org/526715 | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | https://twitter.com/jessfraz/status/938511036558213120 is another example | 16:08 |
| EmilienM | imho, when you have 50k+ followers, you should be careful of what you're saying | 16:11 |
| mugsie | EmilienM: yeah, I saw that one, but I figured if I replied, the k8s "cool table" (to borrow from cdent's high school metaphor) would have piled on | 16:11 |
| mugsie | EmilienM: ++ | 16:12 |
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| * dtroyer just wants to yell at everyone to get off the lawn and goes to ponder the parallels of watching his children (literally my sons) insist on making the same mistakes he did for the same reasons he did. This pattern is found in many places. | 17:01 | |
| dtroyer | Not that having teenage-or-older kids is a prerequisite to understanding these things, but it was helpful to realize there is a pattern that seems to naturally occur | 17:02 |
| dtroyer | and in some ways we can't do a damn thing about it except to be there and be supporting in the follow-on | 17:03 |
| EmilienM | dtroyer: ++ | 17:03 |
| cdent | dtroyer: I had a very interesting “omg, stop being me” time with my son this past weekend | 17:06 |
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| smcginnis | dtroyer: It's worse with teenage daughters. :/ | 17:40 |
| pabelanger | will be sure to confirm in about 10 years | 17:46 |
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| jbryce | I know I'm late to the conversation, but for a couple of years now, the board meetings have had agendas plus non-private materials posted ahead of meetings on the wiki | 19:18 |
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| jbryce | Once minutes our approved those also get posted there | 19:20 |
| jbryce | Probably need to do a better job of pointing to those for other people to look at | 19:20 |
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| cdent | jbryce: I think it’s probably more that there’s a perceived gap that people aren’t willing to step over, so they want someone to pass things over it for them | 19:22 |
| cdent | thus the apparent success of the tc reports | 19:23 |
| jbryce | Yep | 19:23 |
| smcginnis | cdent: I was thinking we need your kind of updates for board updates. | 19:58 |
| fungi | that's sort of what markmc was doing | 20:01 |
| cdent | smcginnis: well, yeah, that’s kind of the plan, if elected, etc | 20:02 |
| cdent | I’d consider trying to do it if not elected, but I’m not sure I can justify the time, but maybe | 20:02 |
| cdent | I think it has a somewhat different ooomph from the inside | 20:02 |
| cdent | smcginnis: but if not me, then you, perhaps? | 20:05 |
| smcginnis | cdent: Yep, I think that would be a great thing for at least one of us to do. | 20:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: stop linking to documentation from governance https://review.openstack.org/523195 | 22:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Tags are applied to deliverables, or teams https://review.openstack.org/523886 | 22:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: stop linking to documentation from governance https://review.openstack.org/523195 | 22:38 |
| ttx | Tracker updated, status posted -- sorry for being a bit late | 22:42 |
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