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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Mark Octavia complete for queens policy goal https://review.openstack.org/485919 | 07:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Declare plainly the current state of PostgreSQL in OpenStack https://review.openstack.org/427880 | 07:45 |
| ttx | Forgot to approve this one earlier in the week, sorry for the delay, but it's finally here ^ | 07:47 |
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| smcginnis | Glad to see that PG update finally go through. | 10:59 |
| cdent | yeah, that took some time | 11:02 |
| flaper87 | To be honest, sometimes it's hard for me to understand what format a resolution should follow. We don't have a good pattern, model, etc to follow other than examples, which are quite different from each other | 12:14 |
| cdent | flaper87: agreed | 12:15 |
| cdent | I’ve been moaning lately that a lot of the resolutions seem like referenes to me | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | And the above has nothing to do with English, which is of course not perfect | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | cdent: right | 12:15 |
| cdent | because they often don’t explicitly state “we will now do this" | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | cdent: and some cross the line to "documentation" | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | I should probably start working on a template | 12:16 |
| flaper87 | or something that we can discuss on | 12:16 |
| flaper87 | Hopefully, that will make future resolutions easier to write | 12:16 |
| cdent | good plan | 12:16 |
| flaper87 | of course, it's not like the template would dictate *exactly* what the resolution should look like but it would hopefully be a good reference | 12:17 |
| smcginnis | flaper87: I think that would be useful. If nothing, at least a standard format to follow. | 12:17 |
| * flaper87 puts that in his todo list | 12:18 | |
| mugsie | when I worked in representitive bodies we used to have a format and a list of requirements for resolutions. They had to have a a preamble describing the state of play, and current problems, and then have a (clear and actionible) mandate, along with who was actualy responsible for guiding the work | 12:21 |
| mugsie | we also had more traditional policies as well, but resoilutions we stricter | 12:22 |
| mugsie | it definitely does not need to be as strict as a defined format, but some guidence like ^ might help ? | 12:22 |
| cdent | mugsie: yeah, those are good ideas. I think it would help make the resolutions more useful. At the moment it feels a bit like they get created and then …. ? | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | mugsie: yeah, that's mostly what I'm looking for but perhaps one step beyond guidelines since we have plenty of non-native english speakers which have to struggle with format and language | 12:25 |
| flaper87 | The less we waste time on format discussions when new resolutions are proposed, the more we can focus on the content | 12:25 |
| mugsie | flaper87: yeah - thats true. a simple template, that tries to avoid it being too "legal"ish would be good | 12:25 |
| flaper87 | and, of course, the more consistent these resolutions are, the easier it will be for people to follow the resolutions | 12:26 |
| flaper87 | Like, they know the format, they glance the parts they know and they focus on the final agreement | 12:26 |
| mugsie | in representitive politics things alway got into technicnal english debates | 12:26 |
| cdent | Whereas flaper87 created a template, and mugsie and cdent saw that it was good, be it resolved that henceforth, whereupon and such... | 12:26 |
| flaper87 | cdent: lol | 12:26 |
| mugsie | I liked the way the TC top 5 work items had champions - maybe that is something to bring to reolutions | 12:27 |
| cdent | mugsie++ | 12:27 |
| mugsie | cdent: you joke - but that is better than some of the things I saw proposed :D | 12:27 |
| cdent | I _never_ joke | 12:27 |
| cdent | nuh eh ver | 12:28 |
| mugsie | of course not :) | 12:29 |
| mugsie | like I am always in agreement with the majority | 12:29 |
| cdent | all ways | 12:30 |
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| fungi | i always assumed resolutions were championed by their proposers unless otherwise stated | 13:56 |
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| dhellmann | my understanding was that resolutions were meant to be point-in-time decisions, but the reference documents would be "living" and receive updates over time as things changed | 14:35 |
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| fungi | though sometimes a resolution might result in a significant change to a reference document and provide the rationale for that | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | good point | 14:44 |
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| thingee | cdent, fungi ttx happy to have help on the simplification goal. it's something I task switch to here and there | 15:47 |
| thingee | it's not my highest priority atm though | 15:47 |
| thingee | happy to bring volunteers up to speed though | 15:48 |
| cdent | thingee: do have anything like a task list or set of goals, something like that? | 15:48 |
| thingee | nope. I had a set of reviews that have already been approved. | 15:48 |
| thingee | it would be good to maybe brainstorm on some new targets. mostly been removing config options out of various projects like nova | 15:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Normalize deliverables arrays in legacy.yaml https://review.openstack.org/488505 | 15:50 |
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| thingee | cdent: example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433924/ | 15:50 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/463220 https://review.openstack.org/463218 https://review.openstack.org/463065 | 15:51 |
| cdent | thanks thingee will give those a browse | 15:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Normalize deliverables arrays in legacy.yaml https://review.openstack.org/488505 | 16:55 |
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